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I'll do that if I need to do another build, but I think I'll be using only Read mode for a while. That's okay, no harm done, except a little wasted time. I'll probably waste a lot more time before I solve this problem. Thanks again.

No, but I have downloaded it. I haven't gotten around to installing it, because I only want to do it when I have moved all my wanted clips off, and to minimize waste I can only do that when I have a full burn batch of clips. I will try that eventually. I've already tried those programs, without success. I'll check it out. Thanks.

I hadn't tried that because your previous message seemed to indicate that you wanted to see the IsoBuster screen shot first. I've tried it since then, but it didn't work. The output image was twice the size of the input disc. It did optimize a couple of files, but those were IFO (info) and BUP (backup info) files. But these are very small files that are not supposed to be optimized if the image is to be burned to disc. They contain stuff like menu layouts and title file positions. They are supposed to be separate copies that are (preferably) far apart on the disc so that a scratch is unlikely to make both copies unreadable, which would make the entire disc unusable. ImgBurn did not optimize the big duplicate VOB files, which were actually already optimized on the source disk, judging from the identical starting LBAs in the IsoBuster screen shot. So I guess that means ImgBurn unoptimized them. I have to continue using Read mode, but I think I'll continue looking for a solution also. Wasting 50 to 80% really bugs me, even when disk space is cheap. Okay, well thanks for the help you were able to give. If I can't find a utility that can truncate the unused space, maybe I'll try writing a program to do it myself. It might be as simple as copying the used part of the file to a new one, and changing a couple of numbers that represent the file length and unused space... Who am I kidding? Programming is never that easy. If anybody else knows of an editor or utility that does what I need, please let me know. Thanks. For what it's worth I've appended the log file. ----------- Begin Log ------------ I 00:09:34 ImgBurn Version 2.5.3.0 started! I 00:09:34 Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic Edition (6.0, Build 6002 : Service Pack 2) I 00:09:34 Total Physical Memory: 2,029,008 KB - Available: 1,061,968 KB I 00:09:35 Initialising SPTI... I 00:09:35 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 00:09:35 -> Drive 1 - Info: Optiarc DVD RW AD-7530B NX09 (D:) (ATA) I 00:09:35 Found 1 DVD±RW/RAM! I 00:12:24 Operation Started! I 00:12:24 Building Image Tree... I 00:12:37 Checking Directory Depth... I 00:12:37 Calculating Totals... I 00:12:37 Preparing Image... W 00:12:37 Duplicate File: \VIDEO_RM\VIDEO_RM.IFO -> \VIDEO_RM\VIDEO_RM.BUP W 00:12:46 User accepted that image may be too big to fit on the target DVD media! W 00:13:01 Unable to find any cells that could be used for the layer break! I 00:13:02 Checking Path Length... I 00:13:02 Contents: 20 Files, 3 Folders I 00:13:02 Content Type: DVD Video I 00:13:02 Data Type: MODE1/2048 I 00:13:02 File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02) I 00:13:02 Volume Label: DVD Video Recording I 00:13:02 IFO/BUP 32K Padding: Enabled I 00:13:02 Region Code: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 I 00:13:02 TV System: NTSC I 00:13:02 Size: 9,281,439,744 bytes I 00:13:02 Sectors: 4,531,953 I 00:13:02 Optimised Size: 9,281,406,976 bytes I 00:13:02 Optimised Sectors: 4,531,937 I 00:13:02 Image Size: 9,282,060,288 bytes I 00:13:02 Image Sectors: 4,532,256 I 00:13:02 Saved 32,768 bytes in 1 duplicate file. I 00:13:28 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:01:03 I 00:13:28 Operation Started! I 00:13:28 Image Contents: 20 Files, 3 Folders I 00:13:28 Image Sectors: 4,532,256 (MODE1/2048) I 00:13:28 Image Size: 9,282,060,288 bytes I 00:13:28 Image Layer Break Position: 2,266,128 I 00:13:28 Image Single Layer Profile: DVD-R/RW (Media Capacity: 2,297,888) I 00:13:28 Image Double Layer Profile: DVD+R DL (Min L0: 0, Max L0: 2,086,912, Media Capacity: 4,173,824) I 00:13:28 Image Volume Identifier: DVD Video Recording I 00:13:28 Image Volume Set Identifier: 3D90018C00452806 I 00:13:28 Image Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.5.3.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER! I 00:13:28 Image Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn I 00:13:28 Image File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02) I 00:13:28 Destination File: F:\My1d5TB\1TB\Video\DVDsEventsFromTv\TvDiscWithDuplicateVOBs.ISO I 00:13:28 Destination Free Space: 11,411,537,920 Bytes (11,144,080 KB) (10,882 MB) (10 GB) I 00:13:28 Destination File System: NTFS I 00:13:28 File Splitting: Auto I 00:13:56 Writing Image... I 00:40:32 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:27:04 I 00:40:33 Average Write Rate: 5,581 KB/s (4.0x) - Maximum Write Rate: 14,314 KB/s (10.3x) ----------- End Log ------------

That would be great. I need to look around for one of those problem images. I haven't any noticed any recently, but I think I saved a few somewhere. I'll try to get back to you with a screen shot of one tomorrow night. Thanks. I created and attached an IsoBuster screen shot of a DVD that has 11 VOB files. One is not duplicated, and five seem to be duplicated once each.

That would be great. I need to look around for one of those problem images. I haven't any noticed any recently, but I think I saved a few somewhere. I'll try to get back to you with a screen shot of one tomorrow night. Thanks.

I was afraid of that. It was such weirdness that led me to stop working with VIDEO_TS files, and store ISO images instead. The DVRs and plain DVD recorders that I've used pack titles into as few VOB files as possible. But sometimes, such as when the disc has multiple titles recorded different compressions/qualities, it creates multiple aliases (VIDEO_TS directory entries) to the same VOB files. The players don't have any problem with that weirdness, but it makes a DVD seem to Windows to contain much more data than it really does, sometimes more than the DVD's maximum capacity, by a factor of 2 or more. It also made working from the VIDEO_TS files impossible for me. Using ImgBurn to store to ISO image files on hard disk solved those problems. I can burn the images. I can mount them and play them like regular DVDs. I can extract clips from them using MPEG Streamclip. I just wish I could do these things without wasting all that space at the end of the files. Are there any good programs with which I could edit the ISO files to remove that unused space?

Hello folks. ImgBurn Read mode seems to be creating files on hard disk that are larger, sometimes much larger, than they need to be. I use a Philips model DVDR3455H DVR to capture video, mostly short news reports, but sometimes whole shows. I burn the clips as titles, up to 49 at a time (the max for this DVR) to DVD+RW discs, and use ImgBurn to archive the discs as ISO image files to hard disk. A while ago I became suspicious that the ISO files were larger than then they needed to be. As a test I used the DVR to burn a blank DVD+RW with a single half-hour show, which had been recorded at half quality, so it was equivalent to 15 minutes worth of a 2 hour DVD. The visible burn area of the DVD appeared right, less than 1/4 inch of disc radius, but when I read it with ImgBurn the resulting ISO file was 4,160,992KB. That's close to the entire disc. The ISO files produced seem functional, but I'm wasting a lot of hard drive space storing the oversize files. I don't know whether this is a DVR problem or an ImgBurn problem. Has anybody else seen this problem? Is there an ImgBurn setting that will force it to make the image size the actual size of only the burned part of the disc? Or is this a bug that can be fixed? I have appended below the log file and the disc information pane text from the test Read. Thanks for your help. ----------- Begin log file. ------------- I 00:22:45 ImgBurn Version 2.5.3.0 started! I 00:22:45 Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic Edition (6.0, Build 6002 : Service Pack 2) I 00:22:45 Total Physical Memory: 2,029,008 KB - Available: 984,444 KB I 00:22:45 Initialising SPTI... I 00:22:45 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 00:22:46 -> Drive 1 - Info: Optiarc DVD RW AD-7530B NX09 (D:) (ATA) I 00:22:46 Found 1 DVD±RW/RAM! I 00:24:37 Operation Started! I 00:24:37 Source Device: [2:0:0] Optiarc DVD RW AD-7530B NX09 (D:) (ATA) I 00:24:37 Source Media Type: DVD+RW (Book Type: DVD+RW) (Disc ID: INFODISC-A10-01) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x) I 00:24:37 Source Media Sectors: 2,080,496 (Track Path: PTP) I 00:24:37 Source Media Size: 4,260,855,808 bytes I 00:24:37 Source Media Volume Identifier: DVD_VR I 00:24:37 Source Media Volume Set Identifier: 9323253993026232 I 00:24:37 Source Media Application Identifier: DVD RECORDER VER 0112052572 I 00:24:37 Source Media Implementation Identifier: DVD_RECORDER I 00:24:38 Source Media File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02) I 00:24:38 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / 8x I 00:24:38 Destination File: F:\My1d5TB\1TB\Video\DVDsEventsFromTv\TvDancingWithSimpsonsMemorex60dX.ISO I 00:24:38 Destination Free Space: 11,996,639,232 Bytes (11,715,468 KB) (11,440 MB) (11 GB) I 00:24:38 Destination File System: NTFS I 00:24:38 File Splitting: Auto I 00:24:47 Reading Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 2295103) I 00:24:47 Reading Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 2295103) I 00:24:47 Reading File System Area of Track 1... (LBA: 0 - 2080495) I 00:35:14 Exporting Graph Data... I 00:35:14 Graph Data File: C:\Users\PCUser\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\Optiarc_DVD_RW_AD-7530B_NX09_THURSDAY-DECEMBER-09-2010_12-24_AM_INFODISC-A10-01.ibg I 00:35:14 Export Successfully Completed! I 00:35:15 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:10:37 I 00:35:15 Average Read Rate: 6,532 KB/s (4.7x) - Maximum Read Rate: 9,601 KB/s (6.9x) I 01:08:22 Operation Started! I 01:08:22 Source Device: [2:0:0] Optiarc DVD RW AD-7530B NX09 (D:) (ATA) I 01:08:22 Source Media Type: DVD+RW (Book Type: DVD+RW) (Disc ID: INFODISC-A10-01) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x) I 01:08:22 Source Media Sectors: 2,080,496 (Track Path: PTP) I 01:08:22 Source Media Size: 4,260,855,808 bytes I 01:08:22 Source Media Volume Identifier: DVD_VR I 01:08:22 Source Media Volume Set Identifier: 9323253993026232 I 01:08:22 Source Media Application Identifier: DVD RECORDER VER 0112052572 I 01:08:22 Source Media Implementation Identifier: DVD_RECORDER I 01:08:22 Source Media File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02) I 01:08:22 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / 8x I 01:08:22 Destination File: F:\My1d5TB\1TB\Video\DVDsEventsFromTv\TvDancingWithSimpsonsMemorex60dX.ISO I 01:08:22 Destination Free Space: 11,996,647,424 Bytes (11,715,476 KB) (11,440 MB) (11 GB) I 01:08:22 Destination File System: NTFS I 01:08:22 File Splitting: Auto I 01:08:31 Reading Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 2295103) I 01:08:32 Reading Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 2295103) I 01:08:32 Reading File System Area of Track 1... (LBA: 0 - 2080495) I 01:19:03 Exporting Graph Data... I 01:19:04 Graph Data File: C:\Users\PCUser\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\Optiarc_DVD_RW_AD-7530B_NX09_THURSDAY-DECEMBER-09-2010_1-08_AM_INFODISC-A10-01.ibg I 01:19:04 Export Successfully Completed! I 01:19:04 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:10:41 I 01:19:04 Average Read Rate: 6,491 KB/s (4.7x) - Maximum Read Rate: 9,403 KB/s (6.8x) I 01:19:52 Operation Started! I 01:19:52 Source Device: [2:0:0] Optiarc DVD RW AD-7530B NX09 (D:) (ATA) I 01:19:52 Source Media Type: DVD+RW (Book Type: DVD+RW) (Disc ID: INFODISC-A10-01) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x) I 01:19:52 Source Media Sectors: 2,080,496 (Track Path: PTP) I 01:19:52 Source Media Size: 4,260,855,808 bytes I 01:19:52 Source Media Volume Identifier: DVD_VR I 01:19:52 Source Media Volume Set Identifier: 9323253993026232 I 01:19:52 Source Media Application Identifier: DVD RECORDER VER 0112052572 I 01:19:52 Source Media Implementation Identifier: DVD_RECORDER I 01:19:52 Source Media File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02) I 01:19:52 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / 8x I 01:19:52 Destination File: F:\My1d5TB\1TB\Video\DVDsEventsFromTv\TvDancingWithSimpsonsMemorex60dX.ISO I 01:19:52 Destination Free Space: 7,735,783,424 Bytes (7,554,476 KB) (7,377 MB) (7 GB) I 01:19:52 Destination File System: NTFS I 01:19:52 File Splitting: Auto I 01:20:15 Reading Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 2295103) I 01:20:15 Reading Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 2295103) I 01:20:15 Reading File System Area of Track 1... (LBA: 0 - 2080495) I 01:30:57 Exporting Graph Data... I 01:30:57 Graph Data File: C:\Users\PCUser\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\Optiarc_DVD_RW_AD-7530B_NX09_THURSDAY-DECEMBER-09-2010_1-19_AM_INFODISC-A10-01.ibg I 01:30:57 Export Successfully Completed! I 01:30:58 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:11:05 I 01:30:58 Average Read Rate: 6,257 KB/s (4.5x) - Maximum Read Rate: 11,304 KB/s (8.2x) ----------- End log file. ------------- ----------- Begin disc info. ------------- Optiarc DVD RW AD-7530B NX09 (ATA) Current Profile: DVD+RW Disc Information: Status: Complete State of Last Session: Complete Erasable: Yes Formatted: No (Started) Sessions: 1 Sectors: 2,295,104 Size: 4,700,372,992 bytes Time: 510:03:29 (MM:SS:FF) File System Information: Sectors: 2,080,496 Size: 4,260,855,808 bytes Time: 462:21:71 (MM:SS:FF) TOC Information: Session 1... (LBA: 0) -> Track 01 (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 2295103) -> LeadOut (LBA: 2295104) Track Information: Session 1... -> Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 2295104, LRA: 0) Physical Format Information (ADIP): Disc ID: INFODISC-A10-01 Book Type: DVD+RW Part Version: 2 Disc Size: 120mm Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified Number of Layers: 1 Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP) Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit Track Density: 0.74 um/track First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608 Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,491,711 Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0 Physical Format Information (Last Recorded): Disc ID: INFODISC-A10-01 Book Type: DVD+RW Part Version: 2 Disc Size: 120mm Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified Number of Layers: 1 Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP) Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit Track Density: 0.74 um/track First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608 Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 494,399 Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0 ----------- End disc info. ------------- ----- End Of Post -----