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Posted 11 April 2010 - 10:20 PM

I tried out my new Verbatim DVD-R 16x and it went so so...

When initiating writing it says the disc is "Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 1903232)" but when starting the verify it says "Image File's Track Sectors: 1903233 (TOC Sectors: 1903233)".

Two unsuccessful burns with the same error:

I 23:34:23 ImgBurn Version 2.5.1.0 started!
I 23:34:23 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 3)
I 23:34:23 Total Physical Memory: 1 505 776 KB - Available: 709 884 KB
W 23:34:23 Drive E:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
I 23:34:24 Initialising SPTI...
I 23:34:24 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 23:34:24 -> Drive 1 - Info: TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S222A SB02 (F:) (ATA)
I 23:34:24 -> Drive 2 - Info: TSSTcorp DVD-ROM SH-D162C TS05 (G:) (ATA)
I 23:34:24 Found 1 DVD-ROM and 1 DVD±RW/RAM!
I 23:37:23 Operation Started!
I 23:37:23 Source File: *******************.iso
I 23:37:23 Source File Sectors: 1 903 233 (MODE1/2048)
I 23:37:23 Source File Size: 3 897 821 184 bytes
I 23:37:23 Source File Volume Identifier: MAGISTER
I 23:37:23 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 02A7D249DVDSHRNK
I 23:37:23 Source File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
I 23:37:23 Source File File System(s): ISO9660; UDF (1.02)
I 23:37:23 Destination Device: [2:0:0] TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S222A SB02 (F:) (ATA)
I 23:37:23 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: MCC 03RG20) (Speeds: 4x; 6x; 8x; 12x; 16x; 18x; 20x; 22x)
I 23:37:23 Destination Media Sectors: 2 297 888
I 23:37:23 Write Mode: DVD
I 23:37:23 Write Type: DAO
I 23:37:23 Write Speed: 4x
I 23:37:23 Link Size: Auto
I 23:37:23 Lock Volume: Yes
I 23:37:23 Test Mode: No
I 23:37:23 OPC: Yes
I 23:37:23 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 23:37:23 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 5 540 KB/s (4x)
I 23:37:34 Filling Buffer... (80 MB)
I 23:37:35 Writing LeadIn...
I 23:37:56 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 1903232)
I 23:37:56 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 1903232)
I 23:49:49 Synchronising Cache...
I 23:50:10 Exporting Graph Data...
I 23:50:10 Graph Data File: ...\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_CDDVDW_SH-S222A_SB02_DEN-11-APRIL-2010_23-37_MCC_03RG20_4x.ibg
I 23:50:10 Export Successfully Completed!
I 23:50:10 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:12:47
I 23:50:10 Average Write Rate: 5 346 KB/s (3.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 5 592 KB/s (4.0x)
I 23:50:10 Cycling Tray before Verify...
W 23:50:16 Waiting for device to become ready...
I 23:50:30 Device Ready!
I 23:50:31 Operation Started!
I 23:50:31 Source Device: [2:0:0] TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S222A SB02 (F:) (ATA)
I 23:50:31 Source Media Type: DVD-R (Book Type: DVD-R) (Disc ID: MCC 03RG20) (Speeds: 4x; 6x; 8x; 12x; 16x; 18x; 20x; 22x)
I 23:50:31 Image File: *******************.iso
I 23:50:31 Image File Sectors: 1 903 233 (MODE1/2048)
I 23:50:31 Image File Size: 3 897 821 184 bytes
I 23:50:31 Image File Volume Identifier: MAGISTER
I 23:50:31 Image File Volume Set Identifier: 02A7D249DVDSHRNK
I 23:50:31 Image File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
I 23:50:31 Image File File System(s): ISO9660; UDF (1.02)
I 23:50:31 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX
I 23:50:31 Hardware Read Error Retries: 5
W 23:58:09 Session 1, Track 1 is smaller on the disc than it is in the image file.
W 23:58:09 Disc's Track Sectors: 1903232 (TOC Sectors: 1903232)
W 23:58:09 Image File's Track Sectors: 1903233 (TOC Sectors: 1903233)
I 23:58:09 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 1903232)
I 23:58:09 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 1903232)
I 23:59:24 Abort Request Acknowledged
E 23:59:24 Failed to Verify Sectors!
I 23:59:24 Exporting Graph Data...
I 23:59:24 Graph Data File: ...\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_CDDVDW_SH-S222A_SB02_DEN-11-APRIL-2010_23-37_MCC_03RG20_4x.ibg
I 23:59:24 Export Successfully Completed!
E 23:59:24 Operation Aborted! - Duration: 00:08:53
I 23:59:24 Average Verify Rate: 9 633 KB/s (7.0x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 12 314 KB/s (8.9x)
I 00:00:24 Operation Started!
I 00:00:24 Source File: *******************.iso
I 00:00:24 Source File Sectors: 1 903 233 (MODE1/2048)
I 00:00:24 Source File Size: 3 897 821 184 bytes
I 00:00:24 Source File Volume Identifier: MAGISTER
I 00:00:24 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 02A7D249DVDSHRNK
I 00:00:24 Source File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
I 00:00:24 Source File File System(s): ISO9660; UDF (1.02)
I 00:00:24 Destination Device: [2:0:0] TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S222A SB02 (F:) (ATA)
I 00:00:24 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: MCC 03RG20) (Speeds: 4x; 6x; 8x; 12x; 16x; 18x; 20x; 22x)
I 00:00:24 Destination Media Sectors: 2 298 496
I 00:00:24 Write Mode: DVD
I 00:00:24 Write Type: DAO
I 00:00:24 Write Speed: 8x
I 00:00:24 Link Size: Auto
I 00:00:24 Lock Volume: Yes
I 00:00:24 Test Mode: No
I 00:00:24 OPC: Yes
I 00:00:24 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 00:00:24 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 11 080 KB/s (8x)
I 00:00:38 Filling Buffer... (80 MB)
I 00:00:40 Writing LeadIn...
I 00:01:03 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 1903232)
I 00:01:03 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 1903232)
I 00:07:40 Synchronising Cache...
I 00:07:54 Exporting Graph Data...
I 00:07:54 Graph Data File: ...\Application Data\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_CDDVDW_SH-S222A_SB02_DEN-12-APRIL-2010_00-00_MCC_03RG20_8x.ibg
I 00:07:54 Export Successfully Completed!
I 00:07:54 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:07:29
I 00:07:54 Average Write Rate: 9 588 KB/s (6.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 11 185 KB/s (8.1x)
I 00:07:54 Cycling Tray before Verify...
W 00:08:00 Waiting for device to become ready...
I 00:08:15 Device Ready!
I 00:08:15 Operation Started!
I 00:08:15 Source Device: [2:0:0] TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S222A SB02 (F:) (ATA)
I 00:08:15 Source Media Type: DVD-R (Book Type: DVD-R) (Disc ID: MCC 03RG20) (Speeds: 4x; 6x; 8x; 12x; 16x; 18x; 20x; 22x)
I 00:08:15 Image File: *******************.iso
I 00:08:15 Image File Sectors: 1 903 233 (MODE1/2048)
I 00:08:15 Image File Size: 3 897 821 184 bytes
I 00:08:15 Image File Volume Identifier: MAGISTER
I 00:08:15 Image File Volume Set Identifier: 02A7D249DVDSHRNK
I 00:08:15 Image File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
I 00:08:15 Image File File System(s): ISO9660; UDF (1.02)
I 00:08:15 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX
I 00:08:15 Hardware Read Error Retries: 5
W 00:08:22 Session 1, Track 1 is smaller on the disc than it is in the image file.
W 00:08:22 Disc's Track Sectors: 1903232 (TOC Sectors: 1903232)
W 00:08:22 Image File's Track Sectors: 1903233 (TOC Sectors: 1903233)
I 00:08:22 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 1903232)
I 00:08:22 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 1903232)
W 00:12:59 Miscompare at LBA: 1903232, Offset: 0
W 00:12:59 Device: 0x00
W 00:12:59 Image File: 0x02
W 00:12:59 Total Errors in Sector: 14
I 00:12:59 Verifying Sectors...
I 00:12:59 Exporting Graph Data...
I 00:12:59 Graph Data File: ...\Application Data\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_CDDVDW_SH-S222A_SB02_DEN-12-APRIL-2010_00-00_MCC_03RG20_8x.ibg
I 00:12:59 Export Successfully Completed!
I 00:12:59 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:04:43
I 00:12:59 Average Verify Rate: 13 791 KB/s (10.0x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 20 865 KB/s (15.1x)
I 00:13:54 Close Request Acknowledged
I 00:13:54 Closing Down...
I 00:13:54 Shutting down SPTI...
I 00:13:54 ImgBurn closed!


Edited by e5frog, 11 April 2010 - 10:25 PM.


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Posted 11 April 2010 - 11:54 PM

Copy + paste the text from the disc info panel on the right when you're in Read mode with that disc in the drive please.
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Posted 12 April 2010 - 06:26 AM

I "solved the problem" by mounting the iso with WinISO and then re-rip it with CloneDVD2 also removing a 22 second intro with the irritating warning-text that can usually not be skipped. Unfortunately I decided to burn it directly instead of making an image and burn with imgburn again so I don't have an image to compare with - so I can't really say it's OK... The two first attempts may work in the DVD-player anyway as far as I know.

It's a brand new burner, I have burnt maybe five or six discs and the firmware is the latest version as far as I can determine.

Here's the 8x burn that I ran the whole verifying process on, ended up with 14 errors:

TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S222A SB02 (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD-R

Disc Information:
Status: Complete
State of Last Session: Complete
Erasable: No
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 1 903 233
Size: 3 897 821 184 bytes
Time: 422:58:33 (MM:SS:FF)

File System Information:
Sectors: 1 903 233
Size: 3 897 821 184 bytes
Time: 422:58:33 (MM:SS:FF)

TOC Information:
Session 1... (LBA: 0)
-> Track 01 (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 1903232)
-> LeadOut (LBA: 1903233)

Track Information:
Session 1...
-> Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 1903232, LRA: 1903232)

Pre-recorded Information:
Manufacturer ID: MCC 03RG20

Recording Management Area Information:
TSSTcorp SH-S222A

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: 0@P-!-00
Book Type: DVD-R
Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196 608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2 099 840
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0


This is the 4x burn, that I didn't verify:

TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S222A SB02 (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD-R

Disc Information:
Status: Complete
State of Last Session: Complete
Erasable: No
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 1 903 233
Size: 3 897 821 184 bytes
Time: 422:58:33 (MM:SS:FF)

File System Information:
Sectors: 1 903 233
Size: 3 897 821 184 bytes
Time: 422:58:33 (MM:SS:FF)

TOC Information:
Session 1... (LBA: 0)
-> Track 01 (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 1903232)
-> LeadOut (LBA: 1903233)

Track Information:
Session 1...
-> Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 1903232, LRA: 1903232)

Pre-recorded Information:
Manufacturer ID: MCC 03RG20

Recording Management Area Information:
TSSTcorp SH-S222A

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: 0@P-!-00
Book Type: DVD-R
Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196 608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2 099 840
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0


EDIT:
BTW, is it common that discs of the same brand and in the same package are of different sizes, the first disc has "Destination Media Sectors: 2 297 888" and the second "Destination Media Sectors: 2 298 496" that's about 1MB difference (1245184 bytes). I haven't noticed earlier so I don't know how it usually is.

Edited by e5frog, 12 April 2010 - 06:42 AM.


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Posted 12 April 2010 - 08:19 AM

Both of those disc info blocks show incorrect info.

Track Information:
Session 1...
-> Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 1903232, LRA: 1903232)


Your drive is reporting the value in red incorrectly.
The two numbers should be different by '1' - with LTS being the larger of the two.

i.e. it should say:

Track Information:
Session 1...
-> Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 1903233, LRA: 1903232)


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Posted 12 April 2010 - 09:45 AM

How come, and where's the error?

Faulty iso or something else?


This is the same information from the edited iso when burnt from CloneDVD2:

TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S222A SB02 (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD-R

Disc Information:
Status: Complete
State of Last Session: Complete
Erasable: No
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 1 898 592
Size: 3 888 316 416 bytes
Time: 421:56:42 (MM:SS:FF)

File System Information:
Sectors: 1 898 579
Size: 3 888 289 792 bytes
Time: 421:56:29 (MM:SS:FF)

TOC Information:
Session 1... (LBA: 0)
-> Track 01 (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 1898591)
-> LeadOut (LBA: 1898592)

Track Information:
Session 1...
-> Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 1898592, LRA: 1898591)

Pre-recorded Information:
Manufacturer ID: MCC 03RG20

Recording Management Area Information:
TSSTcorp SH-S222A

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: 0@P-!-00
Book Type: DVD-R
Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196 608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2 095 199
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0



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Posted 12 April 2010 - 09:58 AM

The issue looks like a firmware bug to me.

You can't compare unless is 100% like for like, and that's not.

Oh and to answer your previous 'EDIT', I don't know why the drive sometimes reports different sizes for DVD-R media! Just ejecting and reinserting the same disc can also cause it.
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Posted 12 April 2010 - 10:03 AM

I guess I could try and burn that iso on a new Verbatim disc with some other program and see how it goes...

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 10:09 AM

The issue you have there is that the 2nd image is a multiple of 16 (which is a good thing). All the sizes are correct for that.

The first image was 1 sector over being a multiple of 16 and I'm wondering if the LTS (Logical Track Size) was being rounded down for some reason rather than being rounded up. The LRA (Last Recorded Address) is correct.

You'd need to burn one where it's NOT a multiple of 16 (or close to it) to see what your drive likes to do in these situations.

i.e. try burning 1903237 sectors to a disc.

If you have a DVD-RW, try burning 1903233 sectors again in discovery mode on that and post the disc info. If the LTS and LRA are the shown to tbe the same value, then try 1903237 sectors and see what the values say for that.

In theory, LTS should either be 1903237 or it'll be rounded up to 1903248. LRA should be 0 or 1903236.
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Posted 12 April 2010 - 10:54 AM

Is there anything imgburn can do about it if it is a firmware issue?

Same iso file burnt with PowerISO 4.4 (unregistered) is verified OK in PowerISO, no errors.

TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S222A SB02 (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD-R

Disc Information:
Status: Complete
State of Last Session: Complete
Erasable: No
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 1 903 248
Size: 3 897 851 904 bytes
Time: 422:58:48 (MM:SS:FF)

TOC Information:
Session 1... (LBA: 0)
-> Track 01 (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 1903247)
-> LeadOut (LBA: 1903248)

Track Information:
Session 1...
-> Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 1903248, LRA: 1903247)

Pre-recorded Information:
Manufacturer ID: MCC 03RG20

Recording Management Area Information:
TSSTcorp SH-S222A

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: 0@P-!-00
Book Type: DVD-R
Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196 608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2 099 855
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0


PowerISO seems to round it off upwards to an even multiple of 16.


Verifying the PowerISO-burnt disc with imgburn gives a 100% OK verification.

I 12:37:28 ImgBurn Version 2.5.1.0 started!
I 12:37:28 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 3)
I 12:37:28 Total Physical Memory: 1 505 776 KB - Available: 444 160 KB
W 12:37:28 Drive E:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
I 12:37:28 Initialising SPTI...
I 12:37:28 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 12:37:31 -> Drive 1 - Info: TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S222A SB02 (F:) (ATA)
I 12:37:31 -> Drive 2 - Info: TSSTcorp DVD-ROM SH-D162C TS05 (G:) (ATA)
I 12:37:31 Found 1 DVD-ROM and 1 DVD±RW/RAM!
I 12:47:06 Operation Started!
I 12:47:06 Source Device: [2:0:0] TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S222A SB02 (F:) (ATA)
I 12:47:06 Source Media Type: DVD-R (Book Type: DVD-R) (Disc ID: MCC 03RG20) (Speeds: 4x; 6x; 8x; 12x; 16x; 18x; 20x; 22x)
I 12:47:06 Image File: DVDVIDEO.ISO
I 12:47:06 Image File Sectors: 1 903 233 (MODE1/2048)
I 12:47:06 Image File Size: 3 897 821 184 bytes
I 12:47:06 Image File Volume Identifier: MAGISTER
I 12:47:06 Image File Volume Set Identifier: 02A7D249DVDSHRNK
I 12:47:06 Image File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
I 12:47:06 Image File File System(s): ISO9660; UDF (1.02)
I 12:47:06 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX
I 12:47:06 Hardware Read Error Retries: 5
I 12:47:07 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 1903232)
I 12:47:07 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 1903232)
I 12:51:25 Exporting Graph Data...
I 12:51:25 Graph Data File: ...\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_CDDVDW_SH-S222A_SB02_DEN-12-APRIL-2010_12-47_MCC_03RG20.ibg
I 12:51:25 Export Successfully Completed!
I 12:51:25 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:04:18
I 12:51:25 Average Verify Rate: 14 811 KB/s (10.7x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 20 839 KB/s (15.0x)
I 12:51:31 Close Request Acknowledged
I 12:51:31 Closing Down...
I 12:51:33 Shutting down SPTI...
I 12:51:33 ImgBurn closed!





My conclusion is that PowerISO does a better job than imgburn (but a lot slower) since I end up with a disc with no errors.
If one program seems to burn the iso perfect and another does not, I think it's an easy way out blaming it on the firmware. I believe it's imgburn that can't handle my drive very well. I know near to nothing about standards and so regarding DVD-burning, but is imgburn following set standards?

I'll also test what you suggested...


EDIT: According to http://www.firmwarehq.com/Samsung/SH-S222A/files.html there's another firmware called ID01 that was released the same date as my SB02 firmware, any chance it would behave differently? Why do they release two different firmwares at the same time for the same burner?

Edited by e5frog, 12 April 2010 - 11:05 AM.


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Posted 12 April 2010 - 11:19 AM

None of your logs even match up to the disc info you're providing.

Just look at the difference in sector sizes!

ImgBurn did not build the ISO from your initial log, it too always creates images that are a multiple of 16 sectors (and your first one is not).

I can see where you're coming from but you're not in a position to blame anything (or tell me I can't blame firmware for reporting obviously incorrect values) - you don't have the background technical knowledge for it.

You might even find that if you locate your original disc again (from the 1st post) and try it in your Samsung DVD-ROM that it reports the LTS and LRA values correctly as:

-> Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 1903233, LRA: 1903232)


instead of

-> Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 1903232, LRA: 1903232)


It's essential that you stick with a 'known to be incorrect' disc size.

No there's nothing I can do in the program to change what the drive reports when I issue 'GET TRACK INFORMATION' command. It returns what it wants to return - and what it's returning for that first disc is just plain wrong. Because we're just talking about a single track, starting from LBA 0, the size of the track MUST always be at least 1 larger than the last recorded address.

i.e. take the numbers below

0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9

That's 10 numbers - correct?

That's what LTS is.

The last one I've written down is in position 9 (remember that the first number is in position 0).

That's what LRA is.

So we have LTS = 10, LRA = 9.

Don't forget that firmware is just a program too really. None of them are perfect and I'm constantly finding issues with drives from different manufacturers.
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Posted 12 April 2010 - 11:21 AM

ID01 is for a different line of drives (same model).

You'd stick to the SBxx ones.
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Posted 12 April 2010 - 11:58 AM

FYI, I just burnt a disc of 1903233 sectors in my SH-223F and it has the same issue.

I then put it in my LiteOn iHAS324, same issue with the track info. (LTS showing 1903232 instead of 1903233)

In my Plextor PX760 it's fine, as is it in my LG GGW-H20L, Pioneer 217 and Optiarc 7240S.

That kinda makes sense because the Samsung and LiteOn drives both use the same chipset (and probably started with the same base firmware).

This was the exact same DVD-RW disc, only burnt the one time in the SH-223F. Two (similar) drives showed incorrect track info, the rest were fine.

Need more proof or can I continue to blame the firmware now (possibly extending to the chipset itself now?!) without being called a liar?!
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Posted 12 April 2010 - 01:09 PM

No need to call anyone a liar. ;-)

I burnt the same iso (with the same burner) with PowerISO that I have tried burning with Imgburn twice with the same error (turning out to be a firmware error rahter than an actual error on the disc), the image (faulty as it may be) burnt OK with PowerISO, verified OK with PowerISO and verified OK with Imgburn when compared to the same iso that previously ended up in two unsuccessful burns. I have no idea why the burnt disc has 1 903 248 sectors instead of 1 903 233 - I guess PowerISO padded it or something before or while burning.

If it's a common fault on these burners perhaps a workaround is possible? Can Imgburn do the same as PowerISO - pad an iso before burning it, as an option maybe?
Is DVDShrink to blame then, for not making evenly padded isos? Are the sectors in an iso usually an even multiple of 16?

This is the result of burning 1903233 sectors to a DVD-RW disc with my burner:

TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S222A SB02 (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD-RW

Disc Information:
Status: Complete
State of Last Session: Complete
Erasable: Yes
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 1 903 233
Size: 3 897 821 184 bytes
Time: 422:58:33 (MM:SS:FF)

TOC Information:
Session 1... (LBA: 0)
-> Track 01 (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 1903232)
-> LeadOut (LBA: 1903233)

Track Information:
Session 1...
-> Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 1903232, LRA: 1903232)

Pre-recorded Information:
Manufacturer ID: RITEKW01

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Book Type: DVD-RW
Part Version: 2
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196 608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2 099 840
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0



I guess it is a firmware issue, when placing the first completed attempt into the DVD-ROM reader it reports the right size and also verifies OK:


TSSTcorp DVD-ROM SH-D162C TS05 (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD-ROM

Disc Information:
Status: Complete
State of Last Session: Complete
Erasable: No
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 1 903 233
Size: 3 897 821 184 bytes
Time: 422:58:33 (MM:SS:FF)

File System Information:
Sectors: 1 903 233
Size: 3 897 821 184 bytes
Time: 422:58:33 (MM:SS:FF)

TOC Information:
Session 1... (LBA: 0)
-> Track 01 (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 1903232)
-> LeadOut (LBA: 1903233)

Track Information:
Session 1...
-> Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 1903233, LRA: 1903233)

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: 0@P-!-00
Book Type: DVD-R
Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196 608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2 099 840
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0


So which is the easiest way to go here, convince the manufacturer to correct their firmware, make a change in Imgburn, stop using Imgburn, check and pad the size of the iso-file manually before burning, start verifying with the DVD-ROM instead or skip verifying all together? Again, burning the same iso in PowerISO ended up with a good disc that verifies OK in Imgburn. The two quotes in my last post are information on the same disc, the 1 903 233 sector large image ends up in a 1 903 248 sector write in PowerISO.

How do I report the error to the manufacturer, any chance there's a custom firmware that have this problem solved? The SB02 is over a year old...

Spending another 20 minutes burning 1903237 sectors seemed to work just fine, verifying was OK, isn't that an odd result, wasn't the expected result the same kind of error?


TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S222A SB02 (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD-RW

Disc Information:
Status: Complete
State of Last Session: Complete
Erasable: Yes
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 1 903 237
Size: 3 897 829 376 bytes
Time: 422:58:37 (MM:SS:FF)

TOC Information:
Session 1... (LBA: 0)
-> Track 01 (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 1903236)
-> LeadOut (LBA: 1903237)

Track Information:
Session 1...
-> Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 1903248, LRA: 1903236)

Pre-recorded Information:
Manufacturer ID: RITEKW01

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Book Type: DVD-RW
Part Version: 2
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196 608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2 099 844
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0


Aha, now it reads LTS to 1903248 instead...

This is what it reads in the DVD-ROM (that's flashed with Kreon firmware BTW):

TSSTcorp DVD-ROM SH-D162C TS05 (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD-ROM

Disc Information:
Status: Complete
State of Last Session: Complete
Erasable: Yes
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 1 903 237
Size: 3 897 829 376 bytes
Time: 422:58:37 (MM:SS:FF)

TOC Information:
Session 1... (LBA: 0)
-> Track 01 (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 1903236)
-> LeadOut (LBA: 1903237)

Track Information:
Session 1...
-> Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 1903237, LRA: 1903237)

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Book Type: DVD-RW
Part Version: 2
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196 608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2 099 844
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0



Perhaps you could make an official bug report, as you know what technical terms to use?


Which brand is your recommended DVD burner then?

Edited by e5frog, 12 April 2010 - 02:08 PM.


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Posted 12 April 2010 - 06:11 PM

I reported it to Samsung, we'll see if I get an answer.

In the mean time, any chance for a patch that adds a solution for this bug, some auto padder or something? Again, it burned in PowerISO OK and the resulting disc was OK when verified with Imgburn. Or some option in the verifying process that handles this error, I'm guessing all the data can be read back?

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 08:57 AM

Spending another 20 minutes burning 1903237 sectors seemed to work just fine, verifying was OK, isn't that an odd result, wasn't the expected result the same kind of error?


Well, it could have gone any one of four ways.

1. Rounded down to 1903232 (1903232 being the previous multiple of 16) (Wrong!)
2. Said 1903236 (Wrong!)
3. Said 1903237 (Correct!)
4. Rounded up to 1903248 (1903248 being the next multiple of 16) (Correct!)

If the drive is told to burn using the Incremental write type rather than DAO/SAO then it seems to be ok. The drive works in the style of number 4(*) if you do that.

* Number 4 is now only 'Semi Correct' though because LRA is 0 and therefore you can't get the real track size (the bit minus the padding)

It's best if an image is a multiple of 16 sectors when burning to DVD because the UDF file system uses something call an Anchor and it's supposed to be positioned in the last sector.

When you have drives that round up to the nearest 16 (which was typically only the case for DVD+R, not DVD-R), that anchor is no longer in the last sector.

Where possible you should use a program (i.e. ImgBurn) that's aware of this issue and builds images where the final size is a multiple of 16 sectors. DVD Shrink is *not* one such program and should therefore be told to output to a VIDEO_TS folder on your hdd rather than an ISO.

P.S. Even just burning 4097 sectors to the disc will give you the same issue in Samsung / LiteOn drives. Seems it's some sort of very general issue with any disc that's 1 sector larger than a size divisible (exactly) by 16.

Oh and no, I'd never manipulate an image like that during the burn. (See the 'Anchor' bit above)

I've put in a little workaround that comes into play if LTS is a multiple of 16 and LTS is the same as LRA. When this happens, the track size is then recorded internally as being LTS + 1 rather than just LTS.
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Posted 13 April 2010 - 09:26 AM

I've put in a little workaround that comes into play if LTS is a multiple of 16 and LTS is the same as LRA. When this happens, the track size is then recorded internally as being LTS + 1 rather than just LTS.



Neat, is it downloadable from anywhere?

I guess I should keep an eye out for DVDShrink then...


Great work there mr "Lightning UK!".


BTW The IDxx seems to be some India release of the firmware as far as I understand, are you sure it won't work differently (better) or will it not work at all with a SBxx firmware drive?

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 09:31 AM

Nope, it's just in there for the next public release... and there's no date for that yet.

I very much doubt the IDxx ones would even flash onto your drive, the flasher would prevent it.

In any case, there's 0% chance it would fix it! You'll have to wait for SB03 - assuming they even respond to your support ticket and do anything about it.
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Posted 13 April 2010 - 10:31 AM

Well, I got a response, they wanted to know in which country I had bought it - why would it matter, I informed them about the drive model and firmware version?
Then you had to go back to the support page and write a new message - and that worked so so, first I got an error message and then a pop-up saying "Sending message", no confirmation it had actually been sent. I'll make a new one and include where it was bought, just to make sure.

There's SB03 out for other drives, but I guess they differ so much that they have to make individual firmwares for every drive?

If enough people complain maybe they'll do something about it, I didn't find the exact same page though, SH-S222A isn't listed but there's an "OTHER" option:
http://erms.samsungelectronics.com/customer/form/formmail/OM...Eng.jsp?SITE_ID=68&PROD_ID=126


The 2.5.0.0 version seems to handle this differently (not checking it?), so I guess I could go back until the next version is released.
... or I could set it to "Incremental" always - is there anything negative about that setting? I would actually only have to use the "Incremental" option when I come across another image like this one.


I asked before but got no answer, what brand of DVD burner should you get to experience the least trouble, is there a specific model. I would need a PATA (IDE) drive.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 11:31 AM

Yes, they make different firmware for every drive. My tests yesterday were performed with SB02 on my 223F. Today I've updated to SB03 and it's still reporting the same (incorrect) info.

I understand the new Optiarc drives are pretty popular these days. No idea if they still do IDE ones though.

For drive info, you're better off making up your own mind based on the wealth of info available on the Internet. Take a look at the cdfreaks forums, they deal with all that kinda stuff.

Yeah, 2.5.0.0 uses TOC info for the track size rather than the Track info (both are shown in the disc info panel on the right). Using the TOC info has limitations that using Track info overcomes, that's why I switched to using it.

The 'best' workaround for you right now is just to build your images with ImgBurn.

I mentioned a limitation of using 'Incremental' in my previous post.

Also, as you now know (and hopefully understand) the reason for the warning, you can just accept it and tell the program to continue anyway. The last sector that (apparently) doesn't exist on the disc will be generated by the program and filled with zeros, thus you'll probably get a 'miscompare' error in the last sector. Again, nothing to worry about.
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Posted 13 April 2010 - 12:32 PM

I'm trying to contact LiteOn about the issue too.

If / when I hear back form them I'll update this thread.
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