itspull Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 i'm almost certain i know what the problem is, i'm ripping the thing out of the tower if i'm right here's the log anyway maybe i'm wrong, i've cut away the whole thing up to the point where the error begins, its the same throughout the verify ; //****************************************\\; ImgBurn Version 2.5.8.0 - Log; Sunday, 28 September 2014, 00:37:53; \\****************************************//;;I 00:05:25 ImgBurn Version 2.5.8.0 started!I 00:05:25 Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic Edition (6.0, Build 6002 : Service Pack 2)I 00:05:25 Total Physical Memory: 1,833,552 KiB - Available: 1,065,332 KiBI 00:05:25 Initialising SPTI...I 00:05:25 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...I 00:05:25 -> Drive 1 - Info: ATAPI DVD A DH16AYH YH14 (E:) (ATA)I 00:05:25 Found 1 DVD±RW/RAM!I 00:18:09 Operation Started!I 00:18:09 Building Image Tree...I 00:18:14 Checking Directory Depth...I 00:18:14 Calculating Totals...I 00:18:14 Preparing Image...I 00:18:15 Checking Path Length...I 00:18:15 Contents: 742 Files, 140 FoldersI 00:18:15 Content Type: Operating System InstallationI 00:18:15 Data Type: MODE1/2048I 00:18:15 File System(s): UDF (1.02) (Bootable)I 00:18:15 Volume Label: VistaI 00:18:15 Size: 3,119,855,558 bytesI 00:18:15 Sectors: 1,523,689I 00:18:15 Image Size: 3,123,216,384 bytesI 00:18:15 Image Sectors: 1,525,008I 00:18:20 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:10I 00:18:20 Operation Started!I 00:18:20 Source File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-I 00:18:20 Source File Sectors: 1,525,008 (MODE1/2048)I 00:18:20 Source File Size: 3,123,216,384 bytesI 00:18:20 Source File Volume Identifier: VistaI 00:18:20 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 453C024400174509I 00:18:20 Source File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.5.8.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!I 00:18:20 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurnI 00:18:20 Source File File System(s): ISO9660 (Bootable), UDF (1.02)I 00:18:20 Destination Device: [2:0:0] ATAPI DVD A DH16AYH YH14 (E:) (ATA)I 00:18:20 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: CMC MAG. AM3)I 00:18:20 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 6x, 8x, 12x, 16xI 00:18:20 Destination Media Sectors: 2,297,888I 00:18:20 Write Mode: DVDI 00:18:20 Write Type: DAOI 00:18:20 Write Speed: MAXI 00:18:20 Link Size: AutoI 00:18:20 Lock Volume: YesI 00:18:20 Test Mode: NoI 00:18:20 OPC: NoI 00:18:20 BURN-Proof: EnabledW 00:18:20 Write Speed Miscompare! - MODE SENSE: 22,160 KB/s (16x), GET PERFORMANCE: 8,864 KB/s (6.4x)I 00:18:20 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 8,864 KB/s (6.4x)I 00:18:20 Advanced Settings - Force HT: No, Online HT: N/A, OverSpeed: No, SmartBurn: YesI 00:18:21 Filling Buffer... (40 MiB)I 00:18:26 Writing LeadIn...I 00:19:29 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 1525007)I 00:19:29 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 1525007)I 00:23:14 Synchronising Cache...I 00:23:25 Exporting Graph Data...I 00:23:25 Graph Data File: C:\Users\John\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\ATAPI_DVD_A_DH16AYH_YH14_SUNDAY-SEPTEMBER-28-2014_12-18_AM_CMC_MAG._AM3_MAX.ibgI 00:23:25 Export Successfully Completed!I 00:23:25 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:05:04I 00:23:25 Average Write Rate: 13,616 KiB/s (10.1x) - Maximum Write Rate: 18,321 KiB/s (13.5x)I 00:23:25 Cycling Tray before Verify...W 00:23:35 Waiting for device to become ready...I 00:23:48 Device Ready!I 00:23:51 Operation Started!I 00:23:51 Source Device: [2:0:0] ATAPI DVD A DH16AYH YH14 (E:) (ATA)I 00:23:51 Source Media Type: DVD-R (Book Type: DVD-R) (Disc ID: CMC MAG. AM3)I 00:23:51 Source Media Supported Read Speeds: 1x, 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x, 9.6x, 12xI 00:23:51 Source Media Supported Write Speeds: 6x, 8x, 12x, 16xI 00:23:51 Source Media Sectors: 1,525,008 (Track Path: PTP)I 00:23:51 Source Media Size: 3,123,216,384 bytesI 00:23:51 Image File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-I 00:23:51 Image File Sectors: 1,525,008 (MODE1/2048)I 00:23:51 Image File Size: 3,123,216,384 bytesI 00:23:51 Image File Volume Identifier: VistaI 00:23:51 Image File Volume Set Identifier: 453C024400174509I 00:23:51 Image File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.5.8.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!I 00:23:51 Image File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurnI 00:23:51 Image File File System(s): ISO9660 (Bootable), UDF (1.02)I 00:23:51 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAXI 00:23:52 Read Speed - Effective: 4.8x - 9.6xI 00:23:52 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 1525007)I 00:23:52 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 1525007)W 00:23:54 Failed to Read Sectors 32 - 63 - Reason: Logical Unit Communication CRC Error (ULTRA-DMA/32) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbminter Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Have you used these CMC MAG discs before without problems with this drive? I am first pointing the finger at CMC, the worst optical disc manufacturer out there. Lots of times, we encounter people with problems with CMC media that magically fix themselves when they drop the cheap media and go with something like Verbatim (Although they, too, sometimes use CMC. ) or Taiyo Yuden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itspull Posted September 28, 2014 Author Share Posted September 28, 2014 dbminter thank you for replying no this is the first time using these discs, first time using the drive to burn, first time burning anything! i wasn't knowledgeable about the difference in recording media until first visiting this site and checking the faq before using imgburn, blew my mind is there a way to check for a media id somewhere on the packaging of cd-r's, dvd-r's so i know what i'm buying? i'll be taking these discs back to switch them out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbminter Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 No, they don't print the MID/DID on the package because they don't want you to know who manufactured the media. If you did, you might not buy it if you knew the reputation of CMC. The best you're going to get is online reviewers like me. On Amazon.com, I always post reviews of media I buy to list the MID/DID and thus the manufacturer. Just because I lose out doesn't mean CMC has to win. I just recently had to post a negative review of Japanese TDK inkjet BD-RE SL's because they were CMC's. The site that came before this one informed me about CMC. But I learned too late as I'd plunked nearly a $1,000 troubleshooting a formerly good media gone bad, e.g. Optodisc to CMC. Once I read about CMC, I checked the MID on the discs that had been good but were failing and, sure enough, they were CMC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itspull Posted September 29, 2014 Author Share Posted September 29, 2014 well isn't that convenient! selling crap in pretty packages, that's just out right rude! so basically the reputation of cmc is they are unusable? i took a look at the log just now and noticed imgburn made an adjustment in the drive's write speed to accomodate a more successful burn, i don't know if an additional adjustment would make any difference, guess i'd have to find out myself but is there a recommend write speed for cmc discs so that they can be verified for imgburn or any other burning service, i've tried to burn the same iso in windows using the same discs but later i found out that windows doesn't support burning iso's? that's crap! i've got to investigate this drive, it's a lite-on dh16ayh y14, i've update the firmware, tried updating the drivers and the controllers as was suggested by a troubleshooter i found online, i think windows is lying to me when it says drivers are current (after nearly 10 years no driver updates?), everything i've come across and still no dice i don't know what i'm doing and it's pissing me off, i'm throwing this tower and monitor in a lake somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itspull Posted September 29, 2014 Author Share Posted September 29, 2014 (edited) anyone for the win, lightning uk! calling you out Edited September 29, 2014 by itspull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbminter Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Well, CMC isn't entirely unusable. They used to make a DVD+R that was pretty good. But, the last DVD+R's from them I was stuck with would not even be recognized as inserted in a Memorex DVD player! I've also tried using the BD-RE SL's I've gotten that were CMC's and they wrote okay. However, the problem with CMC is their reputation. I'd trust their media about as far as I can throw their corporate headquarters! For that reason, I'm laying the blame for your problem at the doorstep of CMC. I also don't like LiteOn drives. I used to use them all the time but I discovered something about them after I had their piece of junk Blu-Ray burner that stopped writing to BD-RE's after 3 months. LiteOn drives randomly write incorrectly DVD-Video DVD+R DL's. They insert a random pause into the playback. It's not a layer break and it doesn't happen with any frequency that can be repeated. Except on my Blu-Ray where it did it to 2 out of 3 DVD-Video DVD+R DL's I had written in it. So, after that Blu-Ray drive and discovering this randomness that had happened before on other LiteOn's, I no longer will use LiteOn products. LiteOns, though, do one thing I've never seen any other drive do, though. They write Ritek 6x DVD-RW correctly. No other drive I've ever tried them on succeeded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itspull Posted September 29, 2014 Author Share Posted September 29, 2014 dbminter thank you for replying again thank you for your suggestions, i'll switch the cmc's to ritek's per your observation with liteon drives writing to them correctly, maybe that will solve my problem thank you again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbminter Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Well, Ritek may not solve the problem, depending on where you live. It seems that in Europe, Ritek is problematic. It has been reported to cause errors. My experience with Ritek in R1 is that Ritek/Ricoh is a very good 2nd tier product. Ritek currently makes the Sony DVD-R's and Memorex's BD-R and RE SL's. However, the Ritek BD-R's have playback issues with the Playstation 3; yet, the Ritek 8x DVD+RW don't have playback issues with the PS3. I use those all the time on the PS3. I've used Ritek media for years without problem, except for the BD-RE SL's on the PS3 and their 6x DVD-RW's on everything but LiteOn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itspull Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 took a look at this exchange just now, there's no proper solution listed anywhere, lots of could be's, maybe, maybe not all i want to do is burn a few iso's to dvd's and make them bootable for backup and repair purposes, good grief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itspull Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 a matter of fact can this be referred to the guy that runs this forum, i'd like the log studied again and would prefer a more straightforward answer this kind of problem should not warrant such a demanding fix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIGHTNING UK! Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Your drive / system is returning a DMA related error (communication error) , so it's probably the cable to the drive. Try unplugging it and plugging it back in again. Replace the cable. Change the port it's plugged in to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itspull Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 thank you for replying lightning okay i'll give your suggestions a try i don't understand how the processes of data being written to disc and being verified are seemingly seperated from one another using the same drive, one is successful while the other fails this is driving me mad i didn't expect this to be drawn out to the length that it has thank you for your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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