paulojfonseca Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Hello all, I have been investigating an error in an Automotive Navigation System. The system does Map updates using CD. The same ISO image burned by ImgBurn (same version) in 2 different drives but same CD type gives different results. On Drive 1 i can burn the CD and successfully update the Map. On Drive 2 i can burn the CD but the Map update finishes with Error: "CD Incomplete or Damaged" Both CD-R copies have the same filesystem: ISO + Joliet Both CD-R copies have the same file structure and file sizes I made a bit to bit comparison of the HEX content of the 2 CDs and they are the same. Both CD-R read test show good quality (Nero CD Speed) The only difference I could find between them is in ImgBurn read test The LTS value of track 01 is different in the 2 CDs Drive#1 (OK) TOC Information: Session 1... (LBA: 0 / 00:02:00) -> Track 01 (Mode 1, LBA: 0 / 00:02:00) -> LeadOut (LBA: 339112 / 75:23:37) Track Information: Session 1... -> Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 339110, LRA: 0) Drive#2 (Not OK) TOC Information: Session 1... (LBA: 0 / 00:02:00) -> Track 01 (Mode 1, LBA: 0 / 00:02:00) -> LeadOut (LBA: 339112 / 75:23:37) Track Information: Session 1... -> Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 339112, LRA: 0) Questions: 1- What is the meaning of LTSA, LTS and LRA? where can i find information on what do they really mean? 2- Is there anyway to tweak the LTS value of track 1? I would like to make it smaller on Disc 2 to check if indeed this is the root cause for the failure of the map update. 3-Is there any other test you guys think i can do to find differences between the 2 discs? Thanks for your help, Paulo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIGHTNING UK! Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 LTSA is Logical Track Start Address LTS is Logical Track Size LRA is Last Recorded Address To me, it's the 2nd disc that looks correct. I'd expect LTS to match the LeadOut on a single session/track disc. You are checking the discs in the same drive yeah? It could be that one just reports different LTS. You can't tweak those values. If there aren't read from the disc itself, they're generated by the drive based on something that IS recorded on it (i.e. the TOC) How big was the source ISO? Was it actually 339110 sectors and the drives have rounded up (TOC wise anyway) to 339112? In which case, that's probably why the first one works... its LTS is correct. Which drive made which burn please? It would help to have all the info. It's probably easier (and more helpful for other people) if you post the entire chunk of text from the disc info box for each disc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulojfonseca Posted July 18, 2016 Author Share Posted July 18, 2016 Hi Lightining, Thanks for the initial feedback. You are checking the discs in the same drive yeah? It could be that one just reports different LTS. Yes the readouts were done in the same drive, This was Drive#1, see below the details: Drive#1 (OK Disc): Info: MATSHITA DVD+-RW UJ8E1 D.03 (Y:) (SATA) Drive#2 (Nok Disc): Info: Optiarc DVD RW AD-5280S 1.G8 (E:) (SATA) How big was the source ISO? Was it actually 339110 sectors and the drives have rounded up (TOC wise anyway) to 339112? In which case, that's probably why the first one works... its LTS is correct. I 11:40:34 Source File: C:\Users\Aben\Desktop\TD4P0302202EU_(AAA-BBB_CCC)_2015_Q4.iso I 11:40:34 Source File Sectors: 339,112 (MODE1/2048) I 11:40:34 Source File Size: 694,501,376 bytes I will post both Burning Logs in the end of the post. Read Test Info: Drive#1: MATSHITA DVD+-RW UJ8E1 D.03 (SATA) Current Profile: CD-ROM Disc Information: Status: Complete State of Last Session: Complete Erasable: No Sessions: 1 Sectors: 339,112 Size: 694,501,376 bytes Time: 75:23:37 (MM:SS:FF) Supported Read Speeds: 10x, 16x, 20x, 24x File System Information: Sectors: 339,112 Size: 694,501,376 bytes Time: 75:23:37 (MM:SS:FF) TOC Information: Session 1... (LBA: 0 / 00:02:00) -> Track 01 (Mode 1, LBA: 0 / 00:02:00) -> LeadOut (LBA: 339112 / 75:23:37) Track Information: Session 1... -> Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 339110, LRA: 0) ATIP Information: Disc ID: 97m24s01f Manufacturer: Taiyo Yuden Co. Start Time of LeadIn: 97m24s01f Last Possible Start Time of LeadOut: 79m59s72f Drive#2: MATSHITA DVD+-RW UJ8E1 D.03 (SATA) Current Profile: CD-ROM Disc Information: Status: Complete State of Last Session: Complete Erasable: No Sessions: 1 Sectors: 339,112 Size: 694,501,376 bytes Time: 75:23:37 (MM:SS:FF) Supported Read Speeds: 10x, 16x, 20x, 24x File System Information: Sectors: 339,112 Size: 694,501,376 bytes Time: 75:23:37 (MM:SS:FF) TOC Information: Session 1... (LBA: 0 / 00:02:00) -> Track 01 (Mode 1, LBA: 0 / 00:02:00) -> LeadOut (LBA: 339112 / 75:23:37) Track Information: Session 1... -> Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 339112, LRA: 0) ATIP Information: Disc ID: 97m24s01f Manufacturer: Taiyo Yuden Co. Start Time of LeadIn: 97m24s01f Last Possible Start Time of LeadOut: 79m59s72f Burning Logs: Drive#1: I 11:29:21 ImgBurn Version 2.5.8.0 started! I 11:29:21 Microsoft Windows 7 Enterprise x64 Edition (6.1, Build 7601 : Service Pack 1) I 11:29:21 Total Physical Memory: 16,720,080 KiB - Available: 14,725,928 KiB I 11:29:21 Initialising SPTI... I 11:29:21 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 11:29:21 -> Drive 1 - Info: MATSHITA DVD+-RW UJ8E1 D.03 (Y:) (SATA) I 11:29:21 Found 1 DVD±RW/RAM! I 11:31:40 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 11:31:40 -> Drive 1 - Info: MATSHITA DVD+-RW UJ8E1 D.03 (Y:) (SATA) I 11:31:40 Found 1 DVD±RW/RAM! I 11:40:34 Operation Started! I 11:40:34 Source File: C:\Users\Aben\Desktop\TD4P0302202EU_(AAA-BBB_CCC)_2015_Q4.iso I 11:40:34 Source File Sectors: 339,112 (MODE1/2048) I 11:40:34 Source File Size: 694,501,376 bytes I 11:40:34 Source File Volume Identifier: TD4P0302202EU I 11:40:34 Source File Application Identifier: MKISOFS ISO 9660/HFS FILESYSTEM BUILDER & CDRECORD CD-R/DVD CREATOR (C) 1993 E.YOUNGDALE (C) 1997 J.PEARSON/J.SCHILLING I 11:40:34 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, Joliet I 11:40:34 Destination Device: [0:0:0] MATSHITA DVD+-RW UJ8E1 D.03 (Y:) (SATA) I 11:40:34 Destination Media Type: CD-R (Disc ID: 97m24s01f, Taiyo Yuden Co.) I 11:40:34 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 10x, 16x, 20x, 24x I 11:40:34 Destination Media Sectors: 359,845 I 11:40:34 Write Mode: CD I 11:40:34 Write Type: SAO I 11:40:34 Write Speed: MAX I 11:40:34 Lock Volume: Yes I 11:40:34 Test Mode: No I 11:40:34 OPC: No I 11:40:34 BURN-Proof: Enabled I 11:40:38 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 4,234 KB/s (24x) I 11:40:38 Filling Buffer... (80 MiB) I 11:40:38 Writing LeadIn... I 11:41:06 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 339111) I 11:41:07 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 339111) I 11:45:28 Synchronising Cache... I 11:45:47 Exporting Graph Data... I 11:45:47 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Aben\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\MATSHITA_DVD+-RW_UJ8E1_D.03_FRIDAY-JULY-15-2016_11-40_AM_97m24s01f_MAX.ibg I 11:45:47 Export Successfully Completed! I 11:45:47 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:05:13 I 11:45:47 Average Write Rate: 2,598 KiB/s (15.1x) - Maximum Write Rate: 3,602 KiB/s (20.9x) I 11:45:47 Cycling Tray before Verify... W 11:45:59 Waiting for device to become ready... I 11:46:47 Device Ready! I 11:46:48 Operation Started! I 11:46:48 Source Device: [0:0:0] MATSHITA DVD+-RW UJ8E1 D.03 (Y:) (SATA) I 11:46:48 Source Media Type: CD-ROM I 11:46:48 Source Media Supported Read Speeds: 10x, 16x, 20x, 24x I 11:46:48 Source Media Supported Write Speeds: 10x, 16x, 20x, 24x I 11:46:48 Source Media Sectors: 339,112 I 11:46:48 Source Media Size: 694,501,376 bytes I 11:46:49 Image File: C:\Users\Aben\Desktop\TD4P0302202EU_(AAA-BBB_CCC)_2015_Q4.iso I 11:46:49 Image File Sectors: 339,112 (MODE1/2048) I 11:46:49 Image File Size: 694,501,376 bytes I 11:46:49 Image File Volume Identifier: TD4P0302202EU I 11:46:49 Image File Application Identifier: MKISOFS ISO 9660/HFS FILESYSTEM BUILDER & CDRECORD CD-R/DVD CREATOR (C) 1993 E.YOUNGDALE (C) 1997 J.PEARSON/J.SCHILLING I 11:46:49 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, Joliet I 11:46:49 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX I 11:46:50 Read Speed - Effective: 24x I 11:46:50 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 339111) I 11:46:50 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 339111) I 11:51:16 Exporting Graph Data... I 11:51:16 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Aben\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\MATSHITA_DVD+-RW_UJ8E1_D.03_FRIDAY-JULY-15-2016_11-40_AM_97m24s01f_MAX.ibg I 11:51:16 Export Successfully Completed! I 11:51:16 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:04:26 I 11:51:16 Average Verify Rate: 2,559 KiB/s (14.9x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 3,664 KiB/s (21.3x) Drive#2: I 10:35:36 ImgBurn Version 2.5.8.0 started! I 10:35:36 Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Edition (6.1, Build 7601 : Service Pack 1) I 10:35:36 Total Physical Memory: 8,302,016 KiB - Available: 5,657,576 KiB I 10:35:36 Initialising SPTI... I 10:35:36 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 10:35:37 -> Drive 1 - Info: Optiarc DVD RW AD-5280S 1.G8 (E:) (SATA) I 10:35:37 Found 1 DVD±RW! I 10:37:21 Operation Started! I 10:37:21 Source File: P:\2016\PSA\RT4-RT5\2016-2017\TD4P0302202EU_(Spain-Portugal_RT5)_2015_Q4.iso I 10:37:21 Source File Sectors: 339,112 (MODE1/2048) I 10:37:21 Source File Size: 694,501,376 bytes I 10:37:21 Source File Volume Identifier: TD4P0302202EU I 10:37:21 Source File Application Identifier: MKISOFS ISO 9660/HFS FILESYSTEM BUILDER & CDRECORD CD-R/DVD CREATOR (C) 1993 E.YOUNGDALE (C) 1997 J.PEARSON/J.SCHILLING I 10:37:21 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, Joliet I 10:37:21 Destination Device: [3:0:0] Optiarc DVD RW AD-5280S 1.G8 (E:) (SATA) I 10:37:21 Destination Media Type: CD-R (Disc ID: 97m24s01f, Taiyo Yuden Co.) I 10:37:21 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 8x, 16x, 24x, 32x, 40x, 48x I 10:37:21 Destination Media Sectors: 359,845 I 10:37:21 Write Mode: CD I 10:37:21 Write Type: SAO I 10:37:21 Write Speed: MAX I 10:37:21 Lock Volume: Yes I 10:37:21 Test Mode: No I 10:37:21 OPC: No I 10:37:21 BURN-Proof: Enabled I 10:37:21 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 8,467 KB/s (48x) I 10:37:22 Filling Buffer... (80 MiB) I 10:37:25 Writing LeadIn... I 10:37:38 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 339111) I 10:37:38 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 339111) I 10:40:10 Synchronising Cache... I 10:40:24 Exporting Graph Data... I 10:40:24 Graph Data File: C:\Users\cdp\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\Optiarc_DVD_RW_AD-5280S_1.G8_FRIDAY-JULY-15-2016_10-37_AM_97m24s01f_MAX.ibg I 10:40:24 Export Successfully Completed! I 10:40:24 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:03:02 I 10:40:24 Average Write Rate: 4,491 KiB/s (26.1x) - Maximum Write Rate: 7,012 KiB/s (40.7x) I 10:40:24 Cycling Tray before Verify... W 10:40:32 Waiting for device to become ready... I 10:40:41 Device Ready! I 10:40:43 Operation Started! I 10:40:43 Source Device: [3:0:0] Optiarc DVD RW AD-5280S 1.G8 (E:) (SATA) I 10:40:43 Source Media Type: CD-R (Disc ID: 97m24s01f, Taiyo Yuden Co.) I 10:40:43 Source Media Supported Read Speeds: 4x, 10x, 20x, 40x, 48x I 10:40:43 Source Media Supported Write Speeds: 8x, 16x, 24x, 32x, 40x, 48x I 10:40:43 Source Media Sectors: 339,112 I 10:40:43 Source Media Size: 694,501,376 bytes I 10:40:43 Image File: P:\TD4P0302202EU_(AAA-BBB_CCC)_2015_Q4.iso I 10:40:43 Image File Sectors: 339,112 (MODE1/2048) I 10:40:43 Image File Size: 694,501,376 bytes I 10:40:43 Image File Volume Identifier: TD4P0302202EU I 10:40:43 Image File Application Identifier: MKISOFS ISO 9660/HFS FILESYSTEM BUILDER & CDRECORD CD-R/DVD CREATOR (C) 1993 E.YOUNGDALE (C) 1997 J.PEARSON/J.SCHILLING I 10:40:43 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, Joliet I 10:40:43 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX I 10:40:44 Read Speed - Effective: 48x I 10:40:44 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 339111) I 10:40:44 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 339111) I 10:43:06 Exporting Graph Data... I 10:43:06 Graph Data File: C:\Users\cdp\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\Optiarc_DVD_RW_AD-5280S_1.G8_FRIDAY-JULY-15-2016_10-37_AM_97m24s01f_MAX.ibg I 10:43:06 Export Successfully Completed! I 10:43:06 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:02:16 I 10:43:06 Average Verify Rate: 5,023 KiB/s (29.2x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 6,637 KiB/s (38.5x) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulojfonseca Posted July 18, 2016 Author Share Posted July 18, 2016 Just one additional info. I tried to reduced the burning speed on Drive#2 to match the one on Drive#1 = 24x This did not help. I get the same discrepancy in the LTS value and the same read error in the navigation system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIGHTNING UK! Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 The LTS from Drive#1 is wrong... a bug in its firmware or whatever. I don't know why that one works and the other one doesn't though, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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