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Following issues with the internal DVD writer on my laptop I've bought an external BD writer (Samsung SE-506CB).

 

I've burn one SL and one DL fine, with no problems with them being verified.

 

But since these first two every disc has failed verification (both SL and DL).

 

Can anyone explain why as I'm getting through a lot of discs.....

 

I 12:52:14 Operation Started!
I 12:52:14 Building Image Tree...
I 12:52:22 Calculating Totals...
I 12:52:22 Preparing Image...
I 12:52:23 Contents: 64 Files, 17 Folders
I 12:52:23 Content Type: BD Video
I 12:52:23 Data Type: MODE1/2048
I 12:52:23 File System(s): UDF (2.50)
I 12:52:23 Volume Label: VOL_1_1965_1967_CAMBRIDGE_ST_ATION
I 12:52:23 Size: 11,910,706,007 bytes
I 12:52:23 Sectors: 5,815,809
I 12:52:23 Image Size: 11,912,085,504 bytes
I 12:52:23 Image Sectors: 5,816,448
I 12:52:25 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:11
I 12:52:25 Operation Started!
I 12:52:25 Source File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-
I 12:52:25 Source File Sectors: 5,816,448 (MODE1/2048)
I 12:52:25 Source File Size: 11,912,085,504 bytes
I 12:52:25 Source File Volume Identifier: VOL_1_1965_1967_CAMBRIDGE_ST_ATION
I 12:52:25 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 4A3366870058BFC1
I 12:52:25 Source File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0
I 12:52:25 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
I 12:52:25 Source File File System(s): UDF (2.50)
I 12:52:25 Destination Device: [0:0:0] TSSTcorp BDDVDW SE-506CB TS02 (E:) (USB)
I 12:52:25 Destination Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: CMCMAG-BA5-000)
I 12:52:25 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6x
I 12:52:25 Destination Media Sectors: 12,219,392
I 12:52:25 Write Mode: BD
I 12:52:25 Write Type: DAO
I 12:52:25 Write Speed: 2x
I 12:52:25 Hardware Defect Management Active: No
I 12:52:25 BD-R Verify Not Required: Yes
I 12:52:25 Link Size: Auto
I 12:52:25 Lock Volume: Yes
I 12:52:25 Test Mode: No
I 12:52:25 OPC: No
I 12:52:25 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 12:52:25 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 8,992 KB/s (2x)
I 12:53:29 Filling Buffer... (80 MiB)
I 12:53:30 Writing LeadIn...
I 12:53:54 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 5816447)
I 12:53:54 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 5816447)
I 13:09:16 Synchronising Cache...
I 13:09:23 Closing Track...
I 13:09:24 Finalising Disc...
I 13:11:09 Exporting Graph Data...
I 13:11:09 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Phil\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_BDDVDW_SE-506CB_TS02_19-JANUARY-2017_12-52_CMCMAG-BA5-000_2x.ibg
I 13:11:09 Export Successfully Completed!
I 13:11:09 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:18:43
I 13:11:09 Average Write Rate: 12,617 KiB/s (2.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 20,691 KiB/s (4.7x)
I 13:11:09 Cycling Tray before Verify...
W 13:11:39 Waiting for device to become ready...
I 13:11:40 Device Ready!
I 13:11:41 Operation Started!
I 13:11:41 Source Device: [0:0:0] TSSTcorp BDDVDW SE-506CB TS02 (E:) (USB)
I 13:11:41 Source Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: CMCMAG-BA5-000)
I 13:11:41 Source Media Supported Read Speeds: 2.2x, 4x, 6x
I 13:11:41 Source Media Supported Write Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6x
I 13:11:41 Source Media Sectors: 5,816,448
I 13:11:41 Source Media Size: 11,912,085,504 bytes
I 13:11:41 Image File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-
I 13:11:41 Image File Sectors: 5,816,448 (MODE1/2048)
I 13:11:41 Image File Size: 11,912,085,504 bytes
I 13:11:41 Image File Volume Identifier: VOL_1_1965_1967_CAMBRIDGE_ST_ATION
I 13:11:41 Image File Volume Set Identifier: 4A3366870058BFC1
I 13:11:41 Image File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0
I 13:11:41 Image File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
I 13:11:41 Image File File System(s): UDF (2.50)
I 13:11:41 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX
I 13:11:42 Read Speed - Effective: 2.2x - 6x
I 13:11:42 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 5816447)
I 13:11:42 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 5816447)
W 13:20:39 Failed to Read Sectors 3733536 - 3733567 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 13:20:47 Failed to Read Sector 3733536 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 13:20:47 Sector 3733536 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts
W 13:20:58 Retrying (1)...
W 13:21:08 Retry Failed - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
E 13:21:16 Failed to Read Sector 3733536 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
E 13:21:16 Sector 3733536 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts
E 13:21:16 Failed to Verify Sectors!
I 13:21:17 Exporting Graph Data...
I 13:21:17 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Phil\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_BDDVDW_SE-506CB_TS02_19-JANUARY-2017_12-52_CMCMAG-BA5-000_2x.ibg
I 13:21:17 Export Successfully Completed!
E 13:21:17 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:09:35
I 13:21:17 Average Verify Rate: 13,031 KiB/s (3.0x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 17,635 KiB/s (4.0x)
I 13:21:18 Close Request Acknowledged
I 13:21:18 Closing Down...
I 13:21:18 Shutting down SPTI...
I 13:21:18 ImgBurn closed!

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Use better blanks. CMCmag is pure crap of the cheapest kind.

 

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I was going to suggest the same thing.  Even if the first 2 worked fine, CMC is known to have a failure rate on DVD, SL and DL.  My experience with a few cakestacks before I knew about them were that they failed to burn 50% of the time.  Of the 50 that passed burning, 50% of them failed Verify.

 

 

You could try checking the Disc ID on the 2 discs that passed and see if they're CMC as well.  If they're not, that's probably why they worked before.

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Now this is worrying.

 

The SL that burned okay is a CMCMAG-BA5-000

 

The DL that burned okay is a VERBAT-IMf-000

 

However both were Verbatim discs (SL a cake, DL from jewel case).

 

If I bought Verbatim how did I get CMC?

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I just thought I'd check a Verbatim DVD-DL I have also burned successfully using the Samsung writer (though it took an age to verify with a speed of only 0.5 - it did verify successfully) and that is a MKM-003-00.

 

Maybe I'm being dim but when I buy Verbatim how am I getting other makes?

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Verbatim is known to farm out to CMC for its BD-RE.  Never have known Verbatim to farm out to CMC for BD-R.  Verbatim also farms out all of its CD and DVD to CMC if you buy the Life series from brick and mortar stores.  Only the DataLife Plus CD and DVD media found online are any good from Verbatim.

 

 

What country are you posting from?  Verbatim might be using CMC when selling in other countries.  I know some other manufacturers in other countries farm out to other manufacturers for their outside the US sales.

 

 

I know the BD-R Verbatim makes that are sold in Office Depot are not CMC.

 

 

If you're in the United States, I can give you a link to the Amazon.com BD-R SL I've used for 5 years.

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I'm in the UK and have always used Verbatim (way back to the days of burning CDs for mates).

 

Bought through Amazon.co.uk where the vast majority of the reviews are glowing though several people have put "As others have mentioned the discs are made by CMC Magnetics. DVD identifier shows as "CMCMAG" BA5."

 

Is there anyway of telling from the packaging who the 'real' make is?

 

Or how I can get genuine Verbatim discs?

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No, there is no indication on any manufacturer's packaging that lists who the actual manufacturer is.  They don't put that information on there because if you knew the source of who made it, you may not buy it because it's junk media.  The only way you'll know relatively surely is to buy off of online stores with reviews that tell you the manufacturer.  However, that's not always reliable because companies can change the manufacturer of their discs at a moment's notice.  I used to use Optodisc about 15 years ago because they used to make their own quality blank DVD.  Then, they switched to CMC, and that's how I learned about them.  I posted somewhere else about my issues and they eventually revealed to me I was using CMC media.

 

 

And, some people don't mind using CMC.  Some people never have burning or verify issues with CMC on their particular model of burner.  However, the disc quality is generally so low that the discs probably won't be readable after a few years.

 

 

Anyway, issues on this board deal with CMC media all the time.  In like 75% of the cases, their problems go away when they don't use CMC.  So, we God posters tend to immediately lay the blame on CMC media when we see it used and recommend getting rid of it as the first step.  As I said, it doesn't ALWAYS solve the issue.  But, since it generally happens a lot, it tends to fix a lot of the issues.

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I checked Amazon.co.uk for any DataLifePlus BD-R media.  The only DataLifePlus BD media there is DL, but you seemed to already have a good BD-R DL source as that wasn't CMC.  So, I guess there is no BD distinctly labeled DataLifePlus.  I know on Amazon.com, there was no need to look for DataLife Plus Verbatim BD-R as all the BD-R's I ever got weren't made by CMC.

 

 

My guess is CMC will probably never make a BD-R(E) DL because they can't be made cheaply.  Verbatim used to farm out to TDK for its BD-RE DL before it started making its own.  If they could be made cheaply, CMC would already be flooding the market with them.  They do make DVD DL media and some of Verbatims BD-RE, and apparently their BD-R for the UK market.

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Would you mind posting the Amazon.com link please?

 

Just so I can compare with whats available in the UK.

 

Many thanks.

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There are two kinds I've gotten, branded and inkjet.  The difference is simply the branded surface has Verbatim's logo on it, and other identifying information about the media, and the inkjet media can be printed to on its label surface.

 

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GSQ4DBM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

https://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-DataLifePlus-White-Inkjet-Printable/dp/B004477BQQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1484853459&sr=8-1&keywords=inkjet+verbatim+bd-r

 

 

I've used more of the branded label surfaces versus the inkjet label surfaces.

 

 

Oh, wait, those inkjet BD-R's do say DataLifePlus.  I had forgotten.  I thought there was no such designation for BD-R.  I was wrong.  :blush:  Of course, I haven't used the inkjet ones in a long time.

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You have branded inkjet datalife ones, and non branded. Neither have ever given me issues. I've pretty much only used printable verbatim (branded and non branded) with my lg burners. No issues ever.

 

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The only issues I've ever encountered with inkjet media were double layer media.  For whatever reason, the inkjet Verbatim DataLifePlus DVD+R DL would fail to verify at the layer break on my Pioneer BD burner.  The branded ones, with the SAME Disc ID, would work, but not the inkjet ones.  A firmware update fixed that issue, though.

 

 

Now, my LG burner does have the same issue with Verbatim inkjet BD-RE DL that Verbatim makes.  They fail at the 2nd layer to verify.  Now, the same Disc ID on Verbatim's branded BD-RE DL don't fail, and neither do the inkjet Verbatim BD-RE DL that TDK made for them.  However, the ones Verbatim makes themselves came out AFTER the last firmware update to the LG BD drive 2 years ago.  Since it seems LG will never update the firmware for this drive again, it seems unlikely this issue will ever get resolved.

 

 

The only failures I've ever had with the BD-R branded were drive related.  The drives needed replacing.  The last Pioneer I got of the same kind failed to write to these BD-R right out of the box.  I did have one weird case where a Verify failed because it said the next sector it was expecting to read simply wasn't there.  I burned the same image again without problem.

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Interestingly my issues started with the same thing. My Pioneer DVD burner would not burn past the layer break on Verbatim DVD+R DL printables.

 

I couldn't find a firmware update (even with help here) so I thought I'd buy a Blu Ray burner to replace and that way could back up a few BDs I have that are known to fail (Pink Floyd Immersion boxsets etc) as well as burn the DVDs I needed to.

 

Then the problems started with burning BDs........

 

I am going to talk to Verbatim and see if they can tell which discs aren't made by CMC

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I received these details from Verbatim customer support - might be useful information for anyone in the UK

 

The 437xx series has the Mediacode VERBATIMe,

The 43804, 43811, 43812 have the media code CMCMAG BA5.

 

So at least hopefully you can order selectively.

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Hi people :)

 

I'm using CMCMAG-BA5-000 also (Verbatim Datalife), and I think are quality media, these discs are HTL.

 

Sometimes is difficult to trust which discs to buy, not enought info on the internet. As far as I know is true, CMC made pure DVD rubbish, not the same with these ones, I burnt more than 40 without problems.

 

 

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I don't understand 'On this drive' statistics, not true :whatever:

 

https://www.raymond.cc/blog/test-cd-or-dvd-readability-by-running-surface-scan-and-file-test/

 

I purchased these week 1 spindle of Mediarange MR508 BD-R Dual layer 50 GB 6x, these discs are HTL, and Mediacode is  . . . VERBAT-IMf-000

 

Not tested yet, but I think these discs should have a good quality.

 

Kind regards

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