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#21 LIGHTNING UK!

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 06:07 AM

Usually, when a drive is returning empty sectors, it'll do so in ECC sized chunks. So I'd expect the number of miscompares to be a multiple of 16 - unless of course the image file also has empty sectors in it for some of those sectors within said ECC blocks.

Take that failed disc and verify it again. Double check that you have the same issue at the exact same sectors.

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Posted 09 June 2017 - 04:14 AM

I think it just has to be accepted that LG drives may be crap.  I just replaced my LG BD burner on April 21st.  Already needs replacing.  Failing to properly write to BD-R SL, failing at Verify.  Last one stopped writing to DVD+R DL after 5 months.  And this one stopped writing BD-R SL after a little over a month.



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Posted 09 June 2017 - 10:08 AM

Can't believe you've got such problems with lg's. Mine have been going strong for years and still burn as if new. Even my old gh22.

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Posted 09 June 2017 - 02:20 PM

Usually, when a drive is returning empty sectors, it'll do so in ECC sized chunks. So I'd expect the number of miscompares to be a multiple of 16 - unless of course the image file also has empty sectors in it for some of those sectors within said ECC blocks.

Take that failed disc and verify it again. Double check that you have the same issue at the exact same sectors.

Can I ask you to please right click the drive selection box and pick the 'Family Tree' option. Close the box that pops up and then copy + paste everything from the log window into your next reply.

 

The number of miscompares is always 50 with this image. The errors occur at the same LBA positions with the same number of errors.

 

 

E 17:27:00 Miscompare at LBA: 198164, Offset: 0, File: \VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_1.VOB
E 17:27:00 Device: 0x00 (Empty Sector!)
E 17:27:00 Image File: 0xFE
E 17:27:00 Total Errors in Sector: 2,039

W 06:14:56 Miscompare at LBA: 198164, Offset: 0, File: \VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_1.VOB
W 06:14:56 Device: 0x00 (Empty Sector!)
W 06:14:56 Image File: 0xFE
W 06:14:56 Total Errors in Sector: 2,039

 

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I 10:11:29 ImgBurn Version 2.5.8.0 started!
I 10:11:29 Microsoft Windows 8 Core x64 Edition (6.2, Build 9200)
I 10:11:29 Total Physical Memory: 12,451,356 KiB  -  Available: 7,434,016 KiB
I 10:11:29 Initialising SPTI...
I 10:11:29 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 10:11:30 -> Drive 1 - Info: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH24NSC0 LI00-20 (D:) (SATA)
I 10:11:30 Found 1 DVD±RW/RAM!
I 10:16:18 Device: [0:0:0] HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH24NSC0 LI00 (D:) (SATA)
I 10:16:18 Family Tree:
I 10:16:18 -> ACPI x64-based PC
I 10:16:18 -> Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System
I 10:16:18 -> PCI Express Root Complex
I 10:16:18 -> Intel® 7 Series/C216 Chipset Family SATA AHCI Controller (VEN_8086&DEV_1E02 - Intel - iaStorA - v11.6.0.1030)
I 10:16:18 -> CD-ROM Drive (HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH24NSC0) (Bus Number 1, Target Id 0, LUN 0)

 

 

I think it just has to be accepted that LG drives may be crap.  I just replaced my LG BD burner on April 21st.  Already needs replacing.  Failing to properly write to BD-R SL, failing at Verify.  Last one stopped writing to DVD+R DL after 5 months.  And this one stopped writing BD-R SL after a little over a month.

 

What drives are recommended then? I've seen Sony Optiarc mentioned a number of times on these boards.



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Posted 09 June 2017 - 03:45 PM

Do you have the ability to verify the disc in another drive... just to triple check things?!

Unfortunately, Sony Optiarc have stopped making drives.
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Posted 09 June 2017 - 04:44 PM

Can't believe you've got such problems with lg's. Mine have been going strong for years and still burn as if new. Even my old gh22.

 

 

I think the years part is the factor.  I believe LG, like Pioneer, have been gradually declining in quality.  For instance, years ago, I had 2 LG BD's and they lasted a year before they needed replacing.  Then, I got one last year that needed replacing after 5 months.  And now this one after a month.

 

 

With Pioneer, my first Pioneer actually still works, except for an issue where the Eject button doesn't always work the first time you press it.  It does work on the second.  That one is like 3 years old, but hasn't seen much use after its first year.  My 2nd one of the same model is still going after almost 2 years, just the same issue with the eject button.  The 3rd one I got stopped writing BD-R's after 7 months.  The fourth one I got was rotten right out of the box, failing to write to its first 2 BD-R's.



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Posted 09 June 2017 - 08:49 PM

Well my bg16 (v1) isn't exactly new either, still going strong. Burning every disc I throw at it without issues and perfect playback.

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Posted 09 June 2017 - 09:11 PM

That was my point.  :)  That the older stuff may be better than the stuff they're making now.  It seems to be a pattern with Pioneer drives now.

 

 

And that BD-R failing now may have been a fluke.  I just burned one without a problem.  Could have been 2 bad media in a row.  I'll have to see if the pattern repeats with any kind of fluidity.  So, the month thing may or may not be an issue.



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Posted 13 June 2017 - 01:33 AM

I think I have to take back my last comments about my new LG needing replacing after a month.  :blush2:  I've written several BD-R, including several near to the edge, which I thought was the problem before, without incident since the 2 back to back failures that did write near to the edge.



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Posted 13 June 2017 - 01:37 AM

Do you have the ability to verify the disc in another drive... just to triple check things?!

Unfortunately, Sony Optiarc have stopped making drives.

 

I threw the coaster away, and I don't really want to make another one (Verbatim DLs are expensive).

 

It's something wrong with the image. Reauthoring it with DVD Shrink (and no compression) fixed it. There would always be errors at the same locations. I haven't had any problems burning other images.

 

This is a good topic though, what's a good drive available new today? What do you all use?



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Posted 13 June 2017 - 01:48 AM

It's odd that the problem was in the image, but it's not unheard of.  However, if the problem was in the image, then DVDShrink would, most likely, be unable to read the contents, if you mounted it as a virtual drive.  I guess you just read the source VIDEO_TS in DVDShrink and used it to make a new image?

 

 

As for what drives I use, I use only BD burners and I think you're after DVD burner suggestions.  I haven't bought a DVD burner since like 2013, so I don't know what's still good in that field.  Last time I bought a DVD only burner, it was a LiteOn.  However, LiteOn's have an issue where they can randomly add pauses to the DVD playback of DVD+R DL's that aren't layer changes.



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Posted 13 June 2017 - 02:11 AM

 

It's odd that the problem was in the image, but it's not unheard of.  However, if the problem was in the image, then DVDShrink would, most likely, be unable to read the contents, if you mounted it as a virtual drive.  I guess you just read the source VIDEO_TS in DVDShrink and used it to make a new image?

 

No. I opened the mds/iso in DVD Shrink.

 

I've had this problem with IMGBurn before. Some images would burn with verify errors. The solution is usually to mount the image as a virtual drive and use IMGBurn to read it, then burn that image. That usually fixes it.

 

In this case, that didn't work, but using DVD Shrink did. DVD Shrink opened the image just fine, and I didn't alter anything. Compression was turned off and nothing was removed or rearranged. The resulting image is almost identical to the original, yet burns fine unlike the original.

 

It's probably some inconsequential header data or something that IMGBurn is burning incorrectly then fails to verify.

 

 

As for what drives I use, I use only BD burners and I think you're after DVD burner suggestions.  I haven't bought a DVD burner since like 2013, so I don't know what's still good in that field.  Last time I bought a DVD only burner, it was a LiteOn.  However, LiteOn's have an issue where they can randomly add pauses to the DVD playback of DVD+R DL's that aren't layer changes.

 

Any burner recommendations anyway? DVD only burners seem to have universally poor quality these days. The HL-DT-ST I have is working fine (so far) but every so often burns a coaster and sounds like a jet engine taking off. Sometimes it verifies fine, but the resulting DVD skips anyway. This is rare though.

 

I was going through some old CD-Rs the other day. I had a Sony CD burner in 2002 until it physically broke ~2009. Every single one of those CD-Rs burned by the Sony read fine. I'd like that kind of quality.



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Posted 13 June 2017 - 02:29 AM

Well, whatever works, go with it.  It shouldn't matter a tinker's cuss, but it did here.

 

 

As for getting something as good as Sony quality, you were lucky.  Starting in 2002, Sony started making 95% junk.  They used to make quality products, but they went :horse: in 2002 to today.  And you definitely won't get an optical burner that will last for 7 years now.  Sony used to make quality DVD burners with the Optiarc and DRU models, the first dual format burners.

 

 

As for my BD burners, I have 2 of them because no one burner does everything right.  I have an LG WH16NS40 only because it's the one that writes correctly to Ritek 8x DVD+RW.  Its drawbacks are that it writes at BD-R SL and DL formatted as giant floppies at half the speed of the Pioneer BD I have.  And it does not write properly to BD-RE DL, even the Verbatim quality ones.  They fail more often than succeed on Verify at the layer change.  However, it handles Verbatim BD-R and BD-RE SL fine.

 

 

I would normally have recommended Pioneer's BDR-209M, but Pioneer has really gone downhill in recent years.  The last firmware update they released borked writing to Ritek 8x DVD+RW.  They will always fail Verify until fully formatted with the previous firmware revision or in another drive that is not that Pioneer revision.  I don't know if this affects any other rewritable DVD types.  Normally, Pioneer used to only have 1 flaw.  After a few months, the eject button doesn't always work the first time you press it.  Or issue an eject command to the drive.  A second one does work.  This affected the first 2 models of the drive I had.  My first one still works well save for that button.  And that's been about 2 to 3 years.  My 2nd one I'm still using, despite the eject issue.  The 3rd one needed replacing after 7 months because it stopped writing Verbatim BD-R correctly.  The 4th one I had immediately went back to Amazon.com because right of the box, it failed writing all the Verbatim BD-R I threw at it.

 

 

So, if you're going to go for the Pioneer, you will need to download the 2nd to the last firmware revision, extract the actual firmware from it, and a tool to downgrade the firmware if it's the latest.  And there's the eject button issue you will probably encounter.  And you'd better test all media you're going to throw at it to make sure it works when you get it.  Otherwise, it works great!  :rolleyes:



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Posted 13 June 2017 - 02:31 AM

Thanks for the recommendations.



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Posted 19 August 2017 - 12:34 PM

Well, after about 2 months of burning the new HL-DT-ST drive is cranking out Verbatim DVD-Rs that skip, though they verify fine.

 

Could it be the player? DVD-Rs burned by my laptop drive (Matushita UJ-8A8) also skip, but that drive is 6 years old.


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Posted 19 August 2017 - 03:50 PM

Yes, it could be the player.

But... without checking the burn quality of the discs that skip, it's hard to know where the problem lies.
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Posted 19 August 2017 - 03:55 PM

I'd try playing these discs with software player on a PC.  Especially someone else's PC as your drives could be the problem.  If they skip back on a PC, which is generally more forgiving than a standalone DVD player, then your drive is probably turning out bad discs.

 

 

You can also just try testing these discs on someone else's standalone DVD player.  If it skips on theirs, you could be more likely to blame your PC burner as turning out bad discs.  However, it could be just a case where the other person's DVD player doesn't like that media.  So, you can't be really for sure.



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Posted 20 August 2017 - 09:45 AM

I burned a Verbatim DL DVD in my friend's LG BD drive and it plays perfectly, so it must be my drive (again). Both DLs and SLs skip with my drive. I only use Verbatims.

 

The LG DVD writer I got in May is 94 days old i.e. 4 days out of warranty. Should I pick up another LG, probably a BD one this time, or perhaps buy a used drive?



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Posted 22 August 2017 - 06:53 AM

Well, setting IMGBurn to DAO on my drive fixes the skipping, though incremental worked fine before. The good burn on my friend's BD drive was incremental also. Go figure.



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Posted 23 August 2017 - 09:55 AM

Scratch that, all the following burns skip.

 

New drive time. Maybe I'll get the same model as my friend, HL-DT-ST UH10LS20. It's 7 years old and burns perfect DVDs.






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