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#1 Mag05003

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 04:06 AM

So I tried burning the Windows 10 ISO to two different DVD's in two different drives.  I'm using Verbatim DVDR's.  The first two tries were with the integrated Windows 10 burning program.  Internet said try IMGBurn.  The error I got with the Windows 10 burner was

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My IMGBurn error is

 

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And the log

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I'm guessing my DVD drives are just crappy.  I've only got two Verbatim DVDR's left and don't want to shell out for any more if it's my hardware.



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Posted 01 June 2017 - 04:35 PM

According to the Disc ID, you might be using Millenia M-Disc DVD+R.  This may sound like I'm talking down to you, but I'm not.  It's just something I wanted to check.  Are you sure the drives you tried burning in both support M-Disc media?



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Posted 01 June 2017 - 10:42 PM

Oh fancy that... the box says has to be written by M-Disc Ready burners... if you could talk down a bit more and explain what exactly that means?  I at least know it IS hardware related.



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Posted 01 June 2017 - 11:04 PM

M-Disc is a variation of the DVD+R standard.  While any device that can read DVD+R discs will read M-Disc DVD+R, they can only be written by a drive capable of writing to M-Disc media.  Certain models of Pioneer and LG Blu-Ray burners support writing to M-Disc.  Both of my Pioneer and LG models do.  You will need to buy a drive that says it expressly writes to M-Disc.  Or get different DVD+R discs that are not M-Disc.

 

 

M-Disc is designed to last for like a thousand years.  It basically burns pits into metal oxide.  Normal DVD+R are organic dye discs and are said to last for a hundred years, but probably won't last that long.  The comparison is like writing something in ink on paper to chiseling it in stone.  The stone will obviously last longer than the ink on paper.

 

 

I don't buy DVD burners anymore, just Blu-Ray ones.  So, I don't know of any DVD only burners that support M-Disc.  For instance, these are the 2 burners I have that support M-Disc:

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E7B08MS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-Electronics-Internal-Blu-Ray-...=1-1&keywords=Pioneer BDR-209M

 

 

It will be easier to just get different DVD+R discs.  However, M-Disc are about 5 times the price of regular DVD+R, so you have already invested some money in those.  But, getting a disc that supports them will mean you're out more expenditure.  Plus, there's the time and necessary expertise to install an internal burner, if you can't find an external one that supports M-Disc.  Or you can get an internal one that does and put it in an external enclosure.  But, you're out more money for the enclosure, too.

 

 

If you want different Verbatim DVD+R, don't get the ones you find in brick and mortar stores.  They will be the Life Series made by CMC Magnetics, the worst optical manufacturer out there.  What you'll want are the DataLife Plus series you can only find at places like Amazon.com.  And even they will offer Life Series.  Even if they don't say Life Series, if they don't say DataLife Plus, they will be CMC, most likely.  CMC causes about 50 percent of the issues we see on these boards.



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Posted 04 June 2017 - 03:31 PM

And here I thought it was a marketing ploy like "for best results use Gold Medal flour!"



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Posted 04 June 2017 - 05:33 PM

Nope, in this case, it does appear to matter.  :)  Anyway, that was my initial indication of the problem when I saw the Disc ID in the log.  I thought that ID was for M-Disc discs, since I don't think Millennia makes anything other than M-Disc media.  And M-Disc is not universally supported by all drives because of how it adds to the cost of the unit.  Like, for me, even though I've had M-Disc drives for a while now, I've never bought any M-Disc media myself.  I've only used the free sample BD-R that came with my drives.  They're nice to have for long term storage, but they do have a higher premium on the cost.  For instance, I believe M-Disc DVD+R are like $5 a piece.  You can get quality DataLife Plus Verbatim DVD+R for like 50 cents each.  They're nice to have, but cost a pretty penny.  However, if you're really concerned about long term archival storage, they're the way to go.  And since you can write DVD Video to M-Disc, as long as your DVD player supports DVD+R media, and most new players should, your movie discs will last much longer than they would on organic dye DVD+R.  I've only had like 5 M-Disc BD-R burns in the last 4 years or so, but I stored long term system backups to them because of their archival rating.






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