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#1 CainStar

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 06:55 PM

There is on option in the...well in the options, in the write tab, the allows you to set layer break manually, instead of auto calc. I set it to 10 000 000, because I learned from four previous attemps to burn bunch of files that, my discs quality(link related http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?/topic/24731-today-i-learned-about-cheap-media/)

was bad. So all the 4 discs hit problems little bit after sector 11 000 000, so I was trying to be safe and set it to 10 000 000.

So on the next burning try imgburn didn't "make" layer break at 10 000 000 instead continued to the auto.calc. sector. Did I do something wrong, why didn't imgburn make the layer break at 10 000 000?

 

EDIT: And as I was writing this the verify process finished and gave me errors. Here is the complete log of the burning process.

 

I 19:58:11 ImgBurn Version 2.5.8.0 started!
I 19:58:11 Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Edition (6.1, Build 7601 : Service Pack 1)
I 19:58:11 Total Physical Memory: 16 653 852 KiB  -  Available: 13 692 696 KiB
I 19:58:11 Initialising SPTI...
I 19:58:11 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 19:58:12 -> Drive 1 - Info: ASUS BW-12B1ST 1.03 (Y:) (ATAPI)
I 19:58:12 Found 1 BD-RE!
I 20:05:54 Operation Started!
I 20:05:54 Building Image Tree...
I 20:06:05 Corrected file system selection for Blu-ray Video disc.
I 20:06:05 Corrected UDF revision selection for Blu-ray Video disc.
I 20:06:05 Calculating Totals...
I 20:06:05 Preparing Image...
I 20:06:05 Contents: 1 121 Files, 19 Folders
I 20:06:05 Content Type: BD Video
I 20:06:05 Data Type: MODE1/2048
I 20:06:05 File System(s): UDF (2.50)
I 20:06:05 Volume Label: [Not Configured]
I 20:06:05 Size: 46 973 420 847 bytes
I 20:06:05 Sectors: 22 936 983
I 20:06:05 Image Size: 46 980 661 248 bytes
I 20:06:05 Image Sectors: 22 939 776
I 20:06:05 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:11
I 20:06:47 Operation Started!
I 20:06:47 Building Image Tree...
I 20:07:30 Calculating Totals...
I 20:07:30 Preparing Image...
I 20:07:30 Contents: 1 121 Files, 19 Folders
I 20:07:30 Content Type: BD Video
I 20:07:30 Data Type: MODE1/2048
I 20:07:30 File System(s): UDF (2.50)
I 20:07:30 Volume Label: The Fifth Element - Remastered
I 20:07:30 Size: 46 973 420 847 bytes
I 20:07:30 Sectors: 22 936 983
I 20:07:30 Image Size: 46 980 661 248 bytes
I 20:07:30 Image Sectors: 22 939 776
I 20:07:35 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:48
I 20:07:35 Operation Started!
I 20:07:35 Source File: -==/\/[BUILD IMAGE]\/\==-
I 20:07:35 Source File Sectors: 22 939 776 (MODE1/2048)
I 20:07:35 Source File Size: 46 980 661 248 bytes
I 20:07:35 Source File Volume Identifier: The Fifth Element - Remastered
I 20:07:35 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 4B41A0D7015E0397
I 20:07:35 Source File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0
I 20:07:35 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
I 20:07:35 Source File File System(s): UDF (2.50)
I 20:07:35 Destination Device: [0:3:0] ASUS BW-12B1ST 1.03 (Y:) (ATAPI)
I 20:07:35 Destination Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: VERBAT-IMf-000)
I 20:07:35 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 4x; 6x
I 20:07:35 Destination Media Sectors: 24 438 784
I 20:07:35 Write Mode: BD
I 20:07:35 Write Type: DAO
I 20:07:35 Write Speed: MAX
I 20:07:35 Hardware Defect Management Active: No
I 20:07:35 BD-R Verify Not Required: Yes
I 20:07:35 Link Size: Auto
I 20:07:35 Lock Volume: Yes
I 20:07:35 Test Mode: Yes
I 20:07:35 OPC: No
I 20:07:35 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 20:07:35 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 26 970 KB/s (6x)
I 20:08:33 Filling Buffer... (80 MiB)
I 20:08:34 Writing LeadIn...
I 20:08:35 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 22939775)
I 20:08:35 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 22939775)
I 20:08:35 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 12219391)
W 20:38:09 Failed to Write Sectors 11343680 - 11343711 - Reason: Write Error
W 20:38:09 Retrying (1 of 20)...
W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 20:38:13 Retrying (2 of 20)...
W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 20:38:13 Retrying (3 of 20)...
W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 20:38:13 Retrying (4 of 20)...
W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 20:38:13 Retrying (5 of 20)...
W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 20:38:13 Retrying (6 of 20)...
W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 20:38:13 Retrying (7 of 20)...
W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 20:38:13 Retrying (8 of 20)...
W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 20:38:13 Retrying (9 of 20)...
W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 20:38:13 Retrying (10 of 20)...
W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 20:38:13 Retrying (11 of 20)...
W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 20:38:13 Retrying (12 of 20)...
W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 20:38:13 Retrying (13 of 20)...
W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 20:38:13 Retrying (14 of 20)...
W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 20:38:13 Retrying (15 of 20)...
W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 20:38:13 Retrying (16 of 20)...
W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 20:38:13 Retrying (17 of 20)...
W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 20:38:13 Retrying (18 of 20)...
W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 20:38:13 Retrying (19 of 20)...
W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 20:38:13 Retrying (20 of 20)...
W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
W 20:38:25 Retrying (21)...
W 20:38:25 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
E 20:38:26 Failed to Write Sectors 11343680 - 11343711 - Reason: Write Error
E 20:38:26 Next Writable Address: 0
I 20:38:27 Synchronising Cache...
W 20:38:38 User opted to skip the 'Close Track/Session/Disc' functions.
I 20:38:38 Cycling Tray after Test Write...
E 20:38:44 Failed to Write Image!
I 20:38:44 Exporting Graph Data...
I 20:38:44 Graph Data File: C:\Users\CainStar\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\ASUS_BW-12B1ST_1.03_1-LOKAKUUTA-2017_20-07_VERBAT-IMf-000_MAX.ibg
I 20:38:44 Export Successfully Completed!
E 20:38:44 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:31:09
I 20:38:44 Average Write Rate: 12 674 KiB/s (2.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 17 879 KiB/s (4.1x)
I 20:48:24 Operation Started!
I 20:48:24 Building Image Tree...
I 20:49:06 Calculating Totals...
I 20:49:06 Preparing Image...
I 20:49:06 Contents: 1 121 Files, 19 Folders
I 20:49:06 Content Type: BD Video
I 20:49:06 Data Type: MODE1/2048
I 20:49:06 File System(s): UDF (2.50)
I 20:49:06 Volume Label: The Fifth Element
I 20:49:06 Size: 46 973 420 847 bytes
I 20:49:06 Sectors: 22 936 983
I 20:49:06 Image Size: 46 980 661 248 bytes
I 20:49:06 Image Sectors: 22 939 776
I 20:49:23 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:59
I 20:49:23 Operation Started!
I 20:49:23 Source File: -==/\/[BUILD IMAGE]\/\==-
I 20:49:23 Source File Sectors: 22 939 776 (MODE1/2048)
I 20:49:23 Source File Size: 46 980 661 248 bytes
I 20:49:23 Source File Volume Identifier: The Fifth Element
I 20:49:23 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 4B41A60C015E0397
I 20:49:23 Source File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0
I 20:49:23 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
I 20:49:23 Source File File System(s): UDF (2.50)
I 20:49:23 Destination Device: [0:3:0] ASUS BW-12B1ST 1.03 (Y:) (ATAPI)
I 20:49:23 Destination Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: VERBAT-IMf-000)
I 20:49:23 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 4x; 6x
I 20:49:23 Destination Media Sectors: 24 438 784
I 20:49:23 Write Mode: BD
I 20:49:23 Write Type: DAO
I 20:49:23 Write Speed: MAX
I 20:49:23 Hardware Defect Management Active: No
I 20:49:23 BD-R Verify Not Required: Yes
I 20:49:23 Link Size: Auto
I 20:49:23 Lock Volume: Yes
I 20:49:23 Test Mode: No
I 20:49:23 OPC: No
I 20:49:23 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 20:49:23 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 26 970 KB/s (6x)
I 20:50:20 Filling Buffer... (80 MiB)
I 20:50:21 Writing LeadIn...
I 20:50:22 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 22939775)
I 20:50:22 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 22939775)
I 20:50:22 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 12219391)
I 21:07:36 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 12219392 - 22939775)
I 21:21:59 Synchronising Cache...
W 21:22:00 Potential 'WaitImmediateIO' Deferred Error - (0/3) - Write Error
W 21:22:01 Synchronise Cache Failed! - Reason: Write Error
W 21:22:01 Retrying (1 of 3)...
I 21:22:03 Closing Track...
I 21:22:04 Finalising Disc...
I 21:22:20 Exporting Graph Data...
I 21:22:20 Graph Data File: C:\Users\CainStar\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\ASUS_BW-12B1ST_1.03_1-LOKAKUUTA-2017_20-49_VERBAT-IMf-000_MAX.ibg
I 21:22:20 Export Successfully Completed!
I 21:22:20 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:32:56
I 21:22:20 Average Write Rate: 24 198 KiB/s (5.5x) - Maximum Write Rate: 26 579 KiB/s (6.1x)
I 21:22:20 Cycling Tray before Verify...
W 21:22:27 Waiting for device to become ready...
I 21:22:50 Device Ready!
I 21:22:52 Operation Started!
I 21:22:52 Source Device: [0:3:0] ASUS BW-12B1ST 1.03 (Y:) (ATAPI)
I 21:22:52 Source Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: VERBAT-IMf-000)
I 21:22:52 Source Media Supported Read Speeds: 1x; 2x; 4x; 6x; 8x
I 21:22:52 Source Media Supported Write Speeds: 4x; 6x
I 21:22:52 Source Media Sectors: 22 939 776
I 21:22:52 Source Media Size: 46 980 661 248 bytes
I 21:22:52 Image File: -==/\/[BUILD IMAGE]\/\==-
I 21:22:52 Image File Sectors: 22 939 776 (MODE1/2048)
I 21:22:52 Image File Size: 46 980 661 248 bytes
I 21:22:52 Image File Volume Identifier: The Fifth Element
I 21:22:52 Image File Volume Set Identifier: 4B41A60C015E0397
I 21:22:52 Image File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0
I 21:22:52 Image File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
I 21:22:52 Image File File System(s): UDF (2.50)
I 21:22:52 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX
I 21:22:53 Read Speed - Effective: 3,2x - 8x
I 21:22:53 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 22939775)
I 21:22:53 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 22939775)
I 21:22:53 Verifying Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 12219391)
I 21:39:37 Verifying Layer 1... (LBA: 12219392 - 22939775)
W 21:50:01 Failed to Read Sectors 21201248 - 21201279 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 21:50:08 Failed to Read Sector 21201249 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 21:50:08 Sector 21201249 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00364.m2ts
W 21:50:11 Retrying (1)...
W 21:50:13 Miscompare at LBA: 21201248, Offset: 0, File: \BDMV\STREAM\00364.m2ts
W 21:50:13 Device: 0x33
W 21:50:13 Image File: 0x51
W 21:50:13 Total Errors in Sector: 2 039
I 21:50:13 Verifying Sectors...
W 21:50:19 Retry Failed - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 21:50:20 Retrying (2)...
W 21:50:29 Retry Failed - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 21:50:30 Failed to Read Sector 21201249 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 21:50:31 Sector 21201249 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00364.m2ts
W 21:50:39 Failed to Read Sector 21201250 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 21:50:39 Sector 21201250 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00364.m2ts
E 21:50:40 Failed to Read Sector 21201250 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
E 21:50:40 Sector 21201250 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00364.m2ts
E 21:50:41 Failed to Verify Sectors!
I 21:50:42 Exporting Graph Data...
I 21:50:42 Graph Data File: C:\Users\CainStar\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\ASUS_BW-12B1ST_1.03_1-LOKAKUUTA-2017_20-49_VERBAT-IMf-000_MAX.ibg
I 21:50:42 Export Successfully Completed!
E 21:50:42 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:27:48
I 21:50:42 Average Verify Rate: 25 436 KiB/s (5.8x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 36 478 KiB/s (8.3x)
 


Edited by CainStar, 01 October 2017 - 06:58 PM.


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Posted 01 October 2017 - 07:44 PM

Your problem is probably the ASUS BW-12B1ST drive.  It's junk, IMO.  I had two of these, and the 2nd one went back to Amazon.com.  I gave the drive a 2nd chance to see if it was just the one sample I got at first, but it's just junk.  It does not write properly to DVD+RW and BD-RE DL media.  Attempts to write to DVD+RW always fail and destroy the disc.  They cannot be salvaged, even by formatting in a working drive.  BD-RE DL worked a little bit better, writing a few times, before also destroying the discs.  So, it doesn't write properly to rewritable media, thus I can't see it writing properly to BD-R DL.

 

 

I would recommend a Pioneer drive.  As I said in the other thread you quoted, it's the only drive I've found that works better than other drives.  Even the Pioneer has problems.  For instance, don't update to the latest firmware if you plan on writing to 8x Ritek DVD+RW.  They borked the write strategy so they will always fail Verify, whereas the previous firmware did not.  However, the only other issue with Pioneer I had was the eject button.  It stops working the first time it's pressed after about 7 months.  A 2nd press will work.  Even ImgBurn Eject commands may fail the first time if manually executed.  They seem to always work after a burn, though.  Never understood that.  :unknown:

 

 

So, Pioneer isn't perfect, but it seems to be the best of what's available out there. 



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Posted 03 October 2017 - 05:06 AM

Your problem is probably the ASUS BW-12B1ST drive.  It's junk, IMO.  I had two of these, and the 2nd one went back to Amazon.com.  I gave the drive a 2nd chance to see if it was just the one sample I got at first, but it's just junk.  It does not write properly to DVD+RW and BD-RE DL media.  Attempts to write to DVD+RW always fail and destroy the disc.  They cannot be salvaged, even by formatting in a working drive.  BD-RE DL worked a little bit better, writing a few times, before also destroying the discs.  So, it doesn't write properly to rewritable media, thus I can't see it writing properly to BD-R DL.

 

 

I would recommend a Pioneer drive.  As I said in the other thread you quoted, it's the only drive I've found that works better than other drives.  Even the Pioneer has problems.  For instance, don't update to the latest firmware if you plan on writing to 8x Ritek DVD+RW.  They borked the write strategy so they will always fail Verify, whereas the previous firmware did not.  However, the only other issue with Pioneer I had was the eject button.  It stops working the first time it's pressed after about 7 months.  A 2nd press will work.  Even ImgBurn Eject commands may fail the first time if manually executed.  They seem to always work after a burn, though.  Never understood that.  :unknown:

 

 

So, Pioneer isn't perfect, but it seems to be the best of what's available out there. 

Thanks for this too. :)



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Posted 03 October 2017 - 05:12 AM

ASUS did make a pretty good drive, at one time.  They made the USB BD drive I still use.  I don't think it's available anymore.  It passed every single media read and write test I threw at it.  So, I had high hopes for an ASUS internal when it came time to try and replace my Pioneer.  BAD decision.  That ASUS internal BD drive is, as I said, junk, I believe.

 

 

If you're going for the Pioneer, be sure to test it thoroughly before your chance to return it expires.  The last one I got I had to send back to Amazon.com immediately because, out of the box, writing to BD-R was borked on an exact same model, just older, I had of the same Pioneer.  So, it's possibly Pioneer drive quality might have gone down.  Or it could have just been a random fluke.



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Posted 03 October 2017 - 05:12 AM

Btw, the layer break stuff only applies to DVD media.
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 02:00 PM

ASUS did make a pretty good drive, at one time.  They made the USB BD drive I still use.  I don't think it's available anymore.  It passed every single media read and write test I threw at it.  So, I had high hopes for an ASUS internal when it came time to try and replace my Pioneer.  BAD decision.  That ASUS internal BD drive is, as I said, junk, I believe.

 

 

If you're going for the Pioneer, be sure to test it thoroughly before your chance to return it expires.  The last one I got I had to send back to Amazon.com immediately because, out of the box, writing to BD-R was borked on an exact same model, just older, I had of the same Pioneer.  So, it's possibly Pioneer drive quality might have gone down.  Or it could have just been a random fluke.

I actually ordered Pioneer BDR-2209 from amazon, so we will see how it goes. I usually do associate Pioneer with quality, atleast when it comes to audio playback etc.

 

Btw, the layer break stuff only applies to DVD media.

Oh ok. Could it be possible to add this option/feature for BD-R DL discs?


Edited by CainStar, 03 October 2017 - 02:01 PM.


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Posted 03 October 2017 - 02:02 PM

It doesn't exist / isn't possible.
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 03:44 PM

I've had 4 BD-2209's.  The last one was the one I told you I sent back to Amazon.com because it didn't write Verbatim BD-R's that the 2nd one was still writing to.  It was what made me question Pioneer's quality, that it might be declining.  Because my first ones are like 2 years old and still going and the 3rd one needed replacing after like 7 months.  The only issues with the BD-2209 are the current firmware being borked with Ritek 8x DVD+RW and the eject button ones.  However, the firmware one can be fixed with a tool you can download to force a regression of the firmware to the previous one.  And the eject button will eventually eject on the second press.

 

 

Pioneers are very good readers, too.  I had 2 BD-2209's at one point, one for reading and one for writing.  It's definitely a better reader than my other BD drive, the LG one I use for writing everything except BD-RE DL.



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Posted 04 October 2017 - 05:47 PM

Pioneers are very good readers, too.  I had 2 BD-2209's at one point, one for reading and one for writing.  It's definitely a better reader than my other BD drive, the LG one I use for writing everything except BD-RE DL.

Is there a manufacturer, or a burner, which is top quailty? I mean sure you might have bad luck, but it seems that all the current burners are just "hit-or-miss" kind of products.

I mean burning discs isn't black magic......or is it? :)



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Posted 04 October 2017 - 09:22 PM

It really is a case of the best of the worst. 

 

 

If Pioneer quality really hasn't gone off of a cliff, then Pioneer is the best manufacturer of internal BD drives, with 2 issues.  Asus made a good USB drive which they don't make anymore, so maybe they make a newer USB drive that's good.  But, it's probably just the internal BD they make now in a USB enclosure, so it's no good.  LG BD drives are good if you don't want to write to BD-RE DL or have a guaranteed readability of media.

 

 

Back in the days of DVD burners, Optiarc was the best quality you could get.  LiteOn also used to be good, but they had one fatal flaw in that they'd randomly add a pause to some VIDEO_TS discs that wasn't a layer break.  Their one BD drive I had did it to 2 out of 3 VIDEO_TS discs before I gave up on it after it stopped writing to BD-RE after 3 months.  And now LiteOn doesn't make BD drives, and I don't think they make DVD ones anymore, either.

 

 

As for being black magic, well, it's not really THAT far off of an analogy.  It depends on the magician.  In this case, the manufacturer.  It's not really in their best interest to make a quality product, since the optical media market is all but dead.  And, all they care about is profit margin.  :greedy:  So, quality doesn't really matter to them.






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