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JamieThompson90

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It seems there isnt anyone who hasn't had there fair problems buring DVD+9's!

What it is, im duplicating my DVD's incase one day the fail on me!

Im using DVD43 to decrypt them and then I made and ISO my harddrive and then burnt it to disk using IMGBURN.

However, NERO,IMGBURN and DVDit have all failed to prove to be successfull, I am buring to datawrite dvd+R dl I also have some other disk, however I am uncurtain of the make after removing the labeling . Oppps.

I 12:50:34 ImgBurn Version 2.3.2.0 started!

I 12:50:34 Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)

I 12:50:34 Total Physical Memory: 1,047,276 KB - Available: 638,012 KB

I 12:50:34 Initialising SPTI...

I 12:50:34 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 12:50:34 Found 1 DVD-ROM and 1 DVD±RW!

I 12:50:57 Operation Started!

I 12:50:57 Building Image Tree...

I 12:51:04 Checking Directory Depth...

I 12:51:04 Calculating Totals...

I 12:51:04 Preparing Image...

I 12:51:23 Using Layer Break LBA: 2029758 -> 2029760 (VTS_02, PGC: 1, Chapter: 9, Cell: 9, Vob/Cell ID: 3/1, Time: 00:47:22, SPLIP: No)

I 12:51:24 Checking Path Length...

I 12:51:24 Image Size: 8,271,069,184 bytes

I 12:51:24 Image Sectors: 4,038,608

I 12:51:25 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:28

I 12:51:25 Operation Started!

I 12:51:25 Image Contents: 17 Files, 2 Folders

I 12:51:25 Image Sectors: 4,038,608

I 12:51:25 Image Size: 8,271,069,184 bytes

I 12:51:25 Image Layer Break Position: 2,029,760

I 12:51:25 Image Single Layer Profile: DVD-R/RW (Media Capacity: 2,298,496)

I 12:51:25 Image Double Layer Profile: DVD+R DL (Min L0: 0, Max L0: 2,086,912, Media Capacity: 4,173,824)

I 12:51:25 Image Volume Identifier: SUGAR_RUSH_2_DISC_1

I 12:51:25 Image Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.3.2.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!

I 12:51:25 Image Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn

I 12:51:25 Image File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 12:51:25 Destination File: E:\My Documents\ISO\sugar11.iso

I 12:51:25 Destination Free Space: 68,818,104,320 bytes (67,205,180 KB) (65,630 MB) (64 GB)

I 12:51:25 Destination File System: NTFS

I 12:51:25 File Splitting: Auto

I 12:51:25 Writing Image...

I 13:22:52 Image MD5: 1c09a863dcedd902edebc2bc3dbe7267

I 13:22:52 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:31:27

I 13:22:52 Average Write Rate: 4,280 KB/s (3.1x) - Maximum Write Rate: 12,550 KB/s (9.1x)

I 17:17:59 Operation Started!

I 17:17:59 Source File: E:\My Documents\ISO\sugar11.mds

I 17:17:59 Source File Sectors: 4,038,608 (MODE1/2048)

I 17:17:59 Source File Size: 8,271,069,184 bytes

I 17:17:59 Source File Volume Identifier: SUGAR_RUSH_2_DISC_1

I 17:17:59 Source File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.3.2.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!

I 17:17:59 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn

I 17:17:59 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 17:17:59 Destination Device: [3:0:0] _NEC DVD_RW ND-3530A 2.01 (D:) (ATA)

I 17:17:59 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RICOHJPN-D01-02) (Speeds: 2.4x)

I 17:17:59 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824

I 17:17:59 Write Mode: DVD

I 17:17:59 Write Type: DAO

I 17:17:59 Write Speed: MAX

I 17:17:59 Link Size: Auto

I 17:17:59 Test Mode: No

I 17:17:59 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 17:17:59 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,029,760

I 17:17:59 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: Copied From Original Disc

I 17:18:19 Filling Buffer... (40 MB)

I 17:18:21 Writing LeadIn...

I 17:18:23 Writing Image... (LBA: 0 - 4038607)

I 17:18:23 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2029759)

I 17:38:47 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 2029760 - 4038607)

W 17:48:16 Failed to Write Sectors 2828672 - 2828703 - No Seek Complete

W 17:48:16 Retrying (1 of 20)...

W 17:48:16 Retry Failed - Write Error

W 17:48:16 Retrying (2 of 20)...

W 17:48:16 Retry Failed - Write Error

W 17:48:16 Retrying (3 of 20)...

W 17:48:16 Retry Failed - Write Error

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W 17:48:16 Retry Failed - Write Error

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W 17:48:16 Retry Failed - Write Error

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W 17:48:16 Retry Failed - Write Error

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W 17:48:16 Retry Failed - Write Error

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W 17:48:17 Retry Failed - Write Error

W 17:48:17 Retrying (9 of 20)...

W 17:48:17 Retry Failed - Write Error

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W 17:48:17 Retry Failed - Write Error

W 17:48:17 Retrying (11 of 20)...

W 17:48:17 Retry Failed - Write Error

W 17:48:17 Retrying (12 of 20)...

W 17:48:17 Retry Failed - Write Error

W 17:48:17 Retrying (13 of 20)...

W 17:48:17 Retry Failed - Write Error

W 17:48:17 Retrying (14 of 20)...

W 17:48:17 Retry Failed - Write Error

W 17:48:17 Retrying (15 of 20)...

W 17:48:17 Retry Failed - Write Error

W 17:48:17 Retrying (16 of 20)...

W 17:48:17 Retry Failed - Write Error

W 17:48:17 Retrying (17 of 20)...

W 17:48:17 Retry Failed - Write Error

W 17:48:17 Retrying (18 of 20)...

W 17:48:17 Retry Failed - Write Error

W 17:48:17 Retrying (19 of 20)...

W 17:48:17 Retry Failed - Write Error

W 17:48:17 Retrying (20 of 20)...

W 17:48:17 Retry Failed - Write Error

W 17:50:44 Retrying (21)...

W 17:50:44 Retry Failed - Write Error

W 17:50:45 Retrying (22)...

W 17:50:45 Retry Failed - Write Error

E 17:50:47 Failed to Write Sectors 2828672 - 2828703 - No Seek Complete

I 17:50:47 Synchronising Cache...

I 17:50:48 Closing Track...

E 17:52:00 Close Track Failed! - Reason: Write Error

I 17:52:00 Closing Track (Last Attempt!)...

E 17:52:00 Close Track Failed! - Reason: Write Error

I 17:52:00 Finalising Disc...

E 17:52:01 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Session Fixation Error - Incomplete Track in Session

I 17:52:01 Finalising Disc (Last Attempt!)...

E 17:52:01 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Session Fixation Error - Incomplete Track in Session

E 17:52:01 Failed to Write Image!

E 17:52:01 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:34:02

I 17:52:01 Average Write Rate: 2,911 KB/s (2.1x) - Maximum Write Rate: 3,481 KB/s (2.5x)

Theres my LOG, im burning with NEC DVD_RW ND-3530A 2.01.

 

Any advice is apriciated, Thanks!

Jamie

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And lots of people never have an issue with DL burning. You only see the problems being reported.

 

Do take donta's advice.

 

Regards

 

Hi Everyone. This is my first post . . . so be gentle with me!!

 

I'm interested in all the feedback I've been seeing regarding DL DVDs. I have always used VerbDVD+R DL discs and almost everyone fails around the 50% mark. I've tried different programs, different settings, slowed the burn speed . . . and am sick of creating coasters. These discs cost too much to be throwing away all the time.

 

I have CloneDVD, DVDShrink, DVDFabPlatinum, 1ClickDVD and none of these have successfully burnt a DL disc. And I know that the burner works as I have previously burnt data to a DL disc. I use either DVD4Free or DVDDecrypter for Protection Code.

 

I know that the files are clean and 100% protection free.

 

Has anybody got any advice that will prevent me inserting a bat throught the computer???

 

Yours in frustration, Seagull . . . .

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  • 1 month later...

Im back onceagain.

I've finally got a chance to try out my drive with new content after compressing my other one and fitting it on dvd5.

I upgraded to the 2. 10

I 21:01:52 ImgBurn Version 2.3.2.0 started!
I 21:01:52 Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
I 21:01:52 Total Physical Memory: 1,047,276 KB  -  Available: 612,660 KB
I 21:01:52 Initialising SPTI...
I 21:01:52 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 21:01:52 Found 1 DVD-ROM and 1 DVD±RW!
I 21:02:50 Operation Started!
I 21:02:50 Source File: E:\filename.iso
I 21:02:50 Source File Sectors: 4,155,840 (MODE1/2048)
I 21:02:50 Source File Size: 8,511,160,320 bytes
I 21:02:50 Source File File System(s): None
I 21:02:50 Destination Device: [3:0:0] _NEC DVD_RW ND-3530A 2.10 (D:) (ATA)
I 21:02:50 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RICOHJPN-D01-67) (Speeds: 2.4x)
I 21:02:50 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824
I 21:02:50 Write Mode: DVD
I 21:02:50 Write Type: DAO
I 21:02:50 Write Speed: 2.4x
I 21:02:50 Link Size: Auto
I 21:02:50 Test Mode: No
I 21:02:50 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 21:02:50 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,077,920
I 21:02:50 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: ECC Block Boundary
I 21:03:13 Filling Buffer... (40 MB)
I 21:03:15 Writing LeadIn...
I 21:03:17 Writing Image... (LBA: 0 - 4155839)
I 21:03:17 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2077919)
I 21:24:05 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 2077920 - 4155839)
W 21:24:41 Failed to Write Sectors 2080800 - 2080831 - No Seek Complete
W 21:24:41 Retrying (1 of 20)...
W 21:24:41 Retry Failed - Write Error
W 21:24:41 Retrying (2 of 20)...
W 21:24:41 Retry Failed - Write Error
W 21:24:41 Retrying (3 of 20)...
W 21:24:41 Retry Failed - Write Error
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W 21:24:41 Retrying (20 of 20)...
W 21:24:41 Retry Failed - Write Error
W 21:24:50 Retrying (21)...
W 21:24:50 Retry Failed - Write Error
W 21:24:50 Retrying (22)...
W 21:24:50 Retry Failed - Write Error
W 21:24:51 Retrying (23)...
W 21:24:51 Retry Failed - Write Error
W 21:24:51 Retrying (24)...
W 21:24:51 Retry Failed - Write Error
E 21:25:14 Failed to Write Sectors 2080800 - 2080831 - No Seek Complete
I 21:25:14 Synchronising Cache...
I 21:25:15 Closing Track...
E 21:25:27 Close Track Failed! - Reason: Write Error
I 21:25:27 Closing Track (Last Attempt!)...
E 21:25:27 Close Track Failed! - Reason: Write Error
I 21:25:27 Finalising Disc...
E 21:25:28 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Session Fixation Error - Incomplete Track in Session
I 21:25:28 Finalising Disc (Last Attempt!)...
E 21:25:28 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Session Fixation Error - Incomplete Track in Session
E 21:25:28 Failed to Write Image!
E 21:25:28 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:22:37
I 21:25:28 Average Write Rate: 3,159 KB/s (2.3x) - Maximum Write Rate: 3,674 KB/s (2.7x)

 

I mean, ive dried two types of media, datawrite and Aone disks. As I have been unable to get any verbatim disks.

Any other advice?

Thanks - Jamie.

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Having just upgraded to the latest version because I had been unable to burn DL disks I read with interest this thread. My problem has been a message that I haven't been able to decode, that is that my image file has not been correctly split for the two layers. I still haven't found an answer to that question but I will add this to discussion: all who claim that Verbatim is the only reliable disk and that you should only burn at 2.4X are just plain wrong! And I'm not dissing Verbatim, I'm sure they're fine disks. But I've been using HP and Memorex disks with 100% success rate and at 8X. Of course I don't use ImgBurn because it quits after the first layer. I use Magix Goya or Nero and both work fine without requiring a previously split image file. I would prefer to use ImgBurn, and do for single layer disks, because it's so fast, but until it can be a little more idiot proof I'll stick with the tried and true. And if anyone has info on this splitting image file thing let me know.

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All you'll be doing it burning discs that aren't within DVD Video DL specs. Each to their own.

 

I don't add the warning messages in there for fun.

 

As has been mentioned several times on the forum, if the ISO you have isn't built correctly for OTP media, simply (extract the contents somewhere and) build it again via Build mode.

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all who claim that Verbatim is the only reliable disk and that you should only burn at 2.4X are just plain wrong! And I'm not dissing Verbatim, I'm sure they're fine disks

 

But I've been using HP and Memorex disks with 100% success rate and at 8X. Of course I don't use ImgBurn because it quits after the first layer. I use Magix Goya or Nero and both work fine without requiring a previously split image file

 

 

Another expert.

 

Gotta go now to deposit my cheque from Verbatim.

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mean, ive dried two types of media, datawrite and Aone disks. As I have been unable to get any verbatim disks.

Any other advice?

Thanks - Jamie.

 

You just replaced crappy media with more crappy media.

 

Surely you have to be able to buy Verbatim made in singapore media from somewhere off the net.

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When it comes to blank DL discs, Verbatim is your only "successful" option. Datawrite sucks and I've never even heard of Aone.

 

 

mean, ive dried two types of media, datawrite and Aone disks. As I have been unable to get any verbatim disks.

Any other advice?

Thanks - Jamie.

 

You just replaced crappy media with more crappy media.

 

Surely you have to be able to buy Verbatim made in singapore media from somewhere off the net.

I sure do fancy it when someone reiterates what I said...lol

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all who claim that Verbatim is the only reliable disk and that you should only burn at 2.4X are just plain wrong! And I'm not dissing Verbatim, I'm sure they're fine disks

 

But I've been using HP and Memorex disks with 100% success rate and at 8X. Of course I don't use ImgBurn because it quits after the first layer. I use Magix Goya or Nero and both work fine without requiring a previously split image file

 

 

Another expert.

 

Gotta go now to deposit my cheque from Verbatim.

 

I fail to see the relevance of your comment. It addresses neither my success rate with discs other than Verbatim or speeds other than 2.4X, nor my question on splitting an image file. Anything else does little to advance the discussion.

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how have you got split image files, which program created them and exactly what are they.

 

 

btw the dl discs you burn in nero and other app make sure you verify them afterwards as neither of those programs @ default verify after burn and then get dvdinfo pro and scan them in a drive that has jitter.

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As you have been advised to get Verbs I won't reiterate the warning, since you find no difference between them and the ones that you are using. However I will advise you to look at one of your discs in about 6 months, then again about 6 months after that. Please post back in about a year as to what condition your discs are in at that time. We don't make recommendations to users here because we have nothing better to do with our lives...well, maybe blu does....but for most of us we share our knowlege in hopes that others will have an easier road to travel. You can take the time to check out our media/drives section, you can read other threads here, you can go to afterdawn.com, digital digest or any of a thousand sites out there that deal with media and drives and read the same advice, or you can make copies that work for now and not have to take the time to look for or invest in the additional funds necessary to buy the best media that you can...it's up to you...mine still work after about 5 years.....

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how have you got split image files, which program created them and exactly what are they.

 

 

btw the dl discs you burn in nero and other app make sure you verify them afterwards as neither of those programs @ default verify after burn and then get dvdinfo pro and scan them in a drive that has jitter.

 

It is ImgBurn that complains that my ISOs are not split correctly for DL disks. That's not exactly the language the program uses but that's the essence of it. It apparently needs to know at what point in the ISO it needs to start on the second layer. I create my ISOs with DVDShrink. No other burner complains of such a thing. It is exactly that issue that led me to this forum.

 

And I can claim my 100% success rate on HP and Memorex discs BECAUSE I verify each and every burn, whether it's SL or DL. I subsequently test them on three different computer DVD drives and four different DVD players.

 

I should add that I tried other brands before I settled on those two. Verbatim was one of them and they worked fine but can be more expensive than Memorex. HP are the highest priced but also the slowest burning. The absolute worst: Matrix. At best they offer a 10% success ratio.

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I create my ISOs with DVDShrink. No other burner complains of such a thing. It is exactly that issue that led me to this forum.

 

There is your problem, dvd shrink is old and was never designed to do dual layer, the name of that program is a big clue, why would you need to shrink a dual layer ? A-to get it to fit to dvd-5 [single layer]

 

you may be able to extract the ISO and have ImgBurn in build mode suggest a layerbreak.

 

Better option would be to not use dvd shrink at all and read off all files to VIDEO_TS etc which will preserve the layerbreak.

 

The other programs are giving you non dvd compliant disc's they will more than likely work but not on all hardware 100%

 

And I can claim my 100% success rate on HP and Memorex discs BECAUSE I verify each and every burn, whether it's SL or DL. I subsequently test them on three different computer DVD drives and four different DVD players.

 

Scan them with dvdinfopro in a drive that supports jitter and see what they are like, they may well be fine on the other hand they might all be red/orange/yellow

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No other burner complains of such a thing. It is exactly that issue that led me to this forum.

 

Let's clear this up, shall we?

 

1. Many of us have been supporting this program and it's predecessor for many years. As you would expect, we have a rough idea of where the blame for faults should be placed.

 

With that in mind:

 

2. The program used to burn your DVD has nothing to do with the quality of it. Nor can the program be responsible for read/write errors, semaphore errors, timeout errors, read/write rates or any of a multitude of errors often associated with this, or any other, software.

 

3. Your drive, your media and your hardware are solely responsible for these problems. e.g. Outdated firmware, dodgy drive controller or crap media. Burning software is just a vehicle to send commands to your drive for it to interpret and then obey. Nero happily reports a good burn even if it isn't because (as noted above) it doesn't verify by default.

 

If you want good burns then use good media like Verbatims (this forum ought to be paid for by Verbatim given the amount of business they get from here), use a good drive and update your firmware.

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dvd shrink is old and was never designed to do dual layer

 

You may not be entirely familiar with this program because it DOES support DL ISO creation. And that's what I use it for primarily, ISO creation. There are other tools out there but I have found none with the versatility of DVDShrink. It can convert easily between file structures and ISOs (DVDecrypter is equal to it here) and if need be it can compact video as well. This last part is important to me because I record video at a little over 3GB/hour. Extend that to the max 2 hours that can be reliably fitted on a single layer disc (or 4 hours on a DL) and you can see that some type of compaction is necessary. Video effects, cleaning, tweaking, etc add more overhead. If there are other tools like it I'd be more than happy to try them.

 

Besides I don't know why ImgBurn or DVDecrypter should care what program created the ISO. It will be either valid or not and as long as Nero and Goya can burn it I'm sceptical that the problem lies with DVDShrink. Besides they don't complain when I burn SL ISOs with them. BTW I checked some of my DL disks with DVDInfopro and they checked out fine.

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i think he is familiar with the programme, and although it will make an iso in dual layer size, it is not conforming to specs which is why imgburn gives you a message.

dvd shrink was designed to shrink dual layer dvd's to single layer, hence the name

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You may not be entirely familiar with this program because it DOES support DL ISO creation.

I just wanna know what in God's name you'd need DVD Shrink for if you're not shrinking anything?

 

If you wanna make an ISO, ImgBurn does the job properly. As donta, Shamus and corny say, DVD Shrink does not make a DL ISO properly - it does not honour the rules in respect of placement of the layer break (and this is why ImgBurn complains). So, despite what you may think about DVD Shrink's ISO creation abilities, you are mistaken.

 

Best method IMHO, is, as donta says, to use ImgBurn's build mode and don't worry about ISOs.

 

Regards

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You may not be entirely familiar with this program because it DOES support DL ISO creation.

I just wanna know what in God's name you'd need DVD Shrink for if you're not shrinking anything?

 

 

But you see that's exactly what I'm doing: shrinking in order to fit on a disk and I talked about that in the post you just answered. What I hear is a general belief that DVDShrink is at fault for creating an invalid DL ISO and I'd be willing to buy that if I had problems verifying my burns or playing my disks on various players.

 

Let me say this though: I'm in no way married to this program and am aware that it has not been updated in some time. But, and this is a big but, I have found nothing to replace its compression capabilities. It would be more constructive to move the conversation in that direction and I'll be monitoring this forum with interest for any suggestions.

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Ah, but some players may ignore the rules about layer breaks. ImgBurn respects the DVD and ECMA specs and will not allow you to burn something out of spec (well, it'll warn you anyway - the rest is your risk). Believe me, DVD Shrink is no maker of perfect DL ISOs - this is not a "general belief"; it is an absolute fact. And it is not a program to be used "primarily to make ISOs". There's lots of good programs out there to do that, including ..... ImgBurn!!!

 

If you need shrinking, so be it. Output to files, not ISO and use ImgBurn's build mode. There is simply no need for an ISO, which after all, is just a container.

 

Regards

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Hang on you seem to be moving the goal posts.

 

You are either using dvdshrink to go from DVD-9 to fit to DVD-5 a single layer or you are wanting to backup a dual layer movie to a dual layer disc.

 

As I previously mentioned dvdshrink was designed to do just this , allow you to ditch unwanted / unneeded streams/ subtitles , doing this could take the content you don't need so that at best you will have a full set of non compressed files that will now fit onto a single layer, or it would transcode re-compress the video material to a lower bitrate with a slight drop in quality depending on the amount of compression needed to allow it to fit to DVD-5.

 

I am completely guessing at the above as I have no idea what that program does.

 

Getting back to what you are trying to do, which is it backing up a dual layer movie to a dual layer disc ? or trying to get dual layer to single layer ? cos dual layer to single layer does not need a layer break.

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