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Philips DVD8701 - ISO image skips and freezes...

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Computer: Dell XPS 600 3.2G HT Dual 2G Mem with Windows XP MCE 2005 (clean install)

DVD Burner: Philips DVD+-RW DVD8701 5D24 (ATA)

Media: Taiyo Yuden DVD-R 8x TYG02, label certified

 

Note: I believe the Philips DVD8701 is a rebadged BenQ 1640, imgBurn will allow you to do booktyping on the BenQ tab.

I was wondering if anyone can confirm this and maybe recommend a firmware upgrade?

 

I burned 6 DVD's with the same ISO file, 3 with Nero and 3 with imgBurn.

The Nero ones played perfectly on my LG 7832 Faroudja player.

All 3 imgBurn DVD's skip and freeze every 30s-2min.

 

Measures taken, before the burn:

- Clean install of Windows XP MCE + imgBurn + Nero burner software only (not the hole package)

- Uninstalled/installed the IDE/ATA Controller, in Device Manager (set to Ultra DMA Mode 2)

 

What do I need to do in order to fix the problem? I do not want to change the DVD brand, I used TY for a long time and they burned perfectly always.

Also, why we cannot see the other devices that you can burn ISO files with them... for example my first drive is a CD burner, second one is the DVD burner and the third one is Virtual CloneDrive.

 

Here it is the imgBurn log, that failed 3 times:

I 23:49:31 ImgBurn Version 1.1.0.0 started!
I 23:49:31 Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
I 23:49:31 Initialising SPTI...
I 23:49:31 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 23:49:31 Found 2 DVD-ROMs and 1 DVD?RW!
I 00:19:01 Operation Started!
I 00:19:01 Source File: D:\My Documents\My Videos\THE_BOURNE_IDENTITY.ISO
I 00:19:01 Source File Sectors: 2,292,103 (MODE1/2048)
I 00:19:01 Source File Size: 4,694,226,944 bytes
I 00:19:01 Source File Application Identifier: MKISOFS ISO 9660/HFS FILESYSTEM BUILDER & CDRECORD CD-R/DVD CREATOR (C) 1993 E.YOUNGDALE (C) 1997 J.PEARSON/J.SCHILLING
I 00:19:01 Source File Implementation Identifier: mkisofs
I 00:19:01 Destination Device: [1:1:0] PHILIPS DVD+-RW DVD8701 5D24 (J:) (ATA)
I 00:19:01 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: TYG02) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 8x, 12x)
I 00:19:01 Destination Media Sectors: 2,298,496
I 00:19:01 Write Mode: DVD
I 00:19:01 Write Type: DAO
I 00:19:01 Write Speed: MAX
I 00:19:01 Link Size: Auto
I 00:19:01 Test Mode: No
I 00:19:01 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 00:19:02 Filling Buffer...
I 00:19:03 Writing LeadIn...
I 00:19:52 Writing Image...
I 00:27:34 Synchronising Cache...
I 00:28:03 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:09:01
I 00:28:03 Average Write Rate: 9,922 KB/s (7.2x) - Maximum Write Rate: 11,094 KB/s (8.0x)
I 00:28:03 Cycling Tray before Verify...
W 00:28:19 Waiting for device to become ready...
I 00:28:20 Device ready!
I 00:28:20 Operation Started!
I 00:28:20 Source Device: [1:1:0] PHILIPS DVD+-RW DVD8701 5D24 (J:) (ATA)
I 00:28:20 Source Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: TYG02) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 8x, 12x)
I 00:28:20 Image File: D:\My Documents\My Videos\THE_BOURNE_IDENTITY.ISO
I 00:28:20 Image File Sectors: 2,292,103 (MODE1/2048)
I 00:28:20 Image File Size: 4,694,226,944 bytes
I 00:28:20 Image File Application Identifier: MKISOFS ISO 9660/HFS FILESYSTEM BUILDER & CDRECORD CD-R/DVD CREATOR (C) 1993 E.YOUNGDALE (C) 1997 J.PEARSON/J.SCHILLING
I 00:28:20 Image File Implementation Identifier: mkisofs
I 00:28:20 Verifying Sectors...
I 00:34:18 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:05:57
I 00:34:18 Average Verify Rate: 12,840 KB/s (9.3x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 21,393 KB/s (15.4x)

Edited by TECK

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DVD Info (burn completed):

PHILIPS DVD+-RW DVD8701 5D24 (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD-R

Disc Information:
Status: Complete
Erasable: No
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 2,292,112
Size: 4,694,245,376 bytes
Time: 509:23:37 (MM:SS:FF)
Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 8x, 12x

Pre-recorded Information:
Manufacturer ID: TYG02

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Book Type: DVD-R
Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,488,719
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0

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Any chance you could do a a PIPO scan of discs burnt with each program and post them up so we can compare.

 

It shouldn't be possible for one program to produce something different to the other one.

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from over on the dark side!

 

The Philips firmware does not support PIF scanning, so you get 0 PIF errors. The firmware also does not allow scanning at higher speeds. This is why the scanning freaks here dropped their warranty and crossflashed to the Benq firmware.
Thanks, I cross-flashed it to a BenQ 1640 and got the latest firmware. Now I can scan using DVDInfoPro normally,

 

from your nero log, what was the setting for burn speed?

Edited by chewy

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I'm going to cross flash the burner to BenQ tonight and do one more test on multiple burns.

Please let me know what tests exacly you want me to perform.

Links to software, also (not familiar with PIPO etc.)

 

Thanks for the heklp guys, we will nail it for sure, if there is a bug...

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Problem solved. It's amazing how a good piece of firmware can fix everything. :geek:

The cross flash was successful, to BenQ DVD DD DW1640.

I also installed the latest firmware, BSOB. I must say that it makes a huge difference, in burn quality, not to mention the QTools...

 

After 2 burn comparaisons, it looks that imgBurn did a better job then Nero. :thumbup:

The first picture is imgBurn, quality rating at 97.67% and the second one is Nero, 97.65%.

 

I'm soooo happy now, I can uninstall the Nero software, that I never liked. :D

I totally recommend to all Philips DVD8701 owners to switch to BenQ model ASAP.

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Edited by TECK

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Well done - glad you fixed it ! I have a personal preference to select the "Show PIE" in Block graphs as for me they are easier to read !! Other than that - nice scans!

 

Here is one of mine with the graphs in "block" !!

 

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After 2 burn comparaisons, it looks that imgBurn did a better job then Nero.

The first picture is imgBurn, quality rating at 97.67% and the second one is Nero, 97.65%.

 

you don't see consistency like this very often, as LUK said the burning program does not impact the quality of the burn, that's a nice benq now!

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