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#41 Guillaume

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Posted 23 February 2008 - 10:29 PM

your argument for pupply linux falls down cos you can run it from flash memory

Not to start a slanging match, but that statement is inherently wrong. You are not even considering the fact that not all computers can boot from USB drives, and therefore multisession boot CDs like Puppy Linux are still very essential.

On the topic of multisession discs, there are very useful when making incremental backups, so you don't need to waste discs unnecessarily.

My thoughts exactly. I'm regularly using bootable cd's, as USB bootable device compatibility is an issue for a lot of systems. These bootable discs need regular updating: new versions of recovery tools, virus definifition files, bugs in the multiple bootable environments on it, etc. It would be a rather expensive task to write a new disc for every minor change, and the readability of rewritable media is far from optimal.

Furthermore, I think incremental backups alone would justify the implementation of multisession writing: one should be able to make backups at any time, not just when there's enough data to fill up an entire disc. When it comes to that, it might already be too late... In addition, the absence of multisession writing would make one to use a less reliable rewritable medium for crucial backups.

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 10:59 AM

My thoughts exactly. I'm regularly using bootable cd's, as USB bootable device compatibility is an issue for a lot of systems. These bootable discs need regular updating: new versions of recovery tools, virus definifition files, bugs in the multiple bootable environments on it, etc. It would be a rather expensive task to write a new disc for every minor change, and the readability of rewritable media is far from optimal.

Furthermore, I think incremental backups alone would justify the implementation of multisession writing: one should be able to make backups at any time, not just when there's enough data to fill up an entire disc. When it comes to that, it might already be too late... In addition, the absence of multisession writing would make one to use a less reliable rewritable medium for crucial backups.


I can't help it. Here's my 2c worth.

Re: Systems with non-bootable USB drives:-

Without knowing any details on who you're talking about exactly, (yourself or other people using your end product), I suggest that if the ability to perform a boot from a flash drive is needed, buy some hardware that supports it. My crappy Athlon 2400 boots from a flash drive. It's 5 years old and currently running FreeNAS. It has a stonking 256MB of RAM and 4 x 400gig HDs in it. It's pretty much useless for anything else but I can't ask the software vendors to downgrade their software to support such antiquated and crappy hardware.


Re: Media expense:-

You say you're using CDs? I bought a tub of 100 Taiyo Yuden CDs a few weeks back for $30. That's 30c each. Doing one backup a day, your backup costs for the entire month is $9. $108 for the year. That's works out at:

Less than 1 x junior burger per week or
Less than 1 x beer per week or
About 6 x cigarettes per week.

Hardly a bank-breaker.
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Posted 24 February 2008 - 11:45 AM

Less than 1 x junior burger per week or
Less than 1 x beer per week or
About 6 x cigarettes per week.



Shamus...Who can fault logic like this??? Sorta makes it all much more clear when you look at the big picture......:thumbup:

As for me, I think that the Boss said

So in short, I don't know when (if ever) it'll be implemented. Sorry.

and

So in short, I don't know when (if ever) it'll be implemented. Sorry.

means

So in short, I don't know when (if ever) it'll be implemented Sorry.

and until he decides that it means maybe or could be or yes...it's a simple

So in short, I don't know when (if ever) it'll be implemented. Sorry.

and people should get on with it and quit bitching that a great and free program like ImgBurn doesn't do everything THEY want it to. <_<

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 11:49 AM

So the fact that it doesn't cost *much* relatively to food or drinks justifies the burning of an unnecessary amount of discs with great redundancy? Furthermore, I could hardly say that with a disc a day/week, it can all remain well-organized. Bottom line, it's just unnecessary to burn a new disc if there's space left to update/add new files.

Apart from the use, I do think multisession writing is a fundamental characteristic of cd/dvd authoring. I think many potential users will stop being interested in such a great product after becoming aware of the fact that this feature isn't implemented.

Nevertheless, I do get your point from a die-hard recording point of view: multisession is not exactly like efficiently using up disc space, while the TOC has to be written to the disc with every session (13-14MB for CD's). But if there is such space available anyway, and since multisession discs do not cause compatibility issues in almost any case, it does add a significant amount of flexibility. And flexibility is one of the main characteristics what makes this program so great.

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 12:11 PM

So the fact that it doesn't cost *much* relatively to food or drinks justifies the burning of an unnecessary amount of discs with great redundancy?


Nope, not necessarily that or the waste of disc space or any other reason. I believe it is a matter of respect for the author of the program. The question was asked, answered, asked again, answered and then after that, writers keep pounding it to death, not really with a chance to affect the change they want, but to keep up an argument that the Boss has been asked and has answered many times. Reading about it gets frustrating for those of us who are not coders, just ordinary schmucks with a little more knowlege of the inner-workings of the program than most, and if writers would step outside of their sand box and imagine what it takes for the Boss to keep seeing the same whiney subject matter posted time after time; maybe users will be thankful that such a program came out of the mind of one person and that, since it's his program, what he wants it to be is what it should be.

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 12:23 PM

I agree, it's just plain nagging and therefore immature. However, with the passage of time, people's moods and priorities change (e.g. there was such a groundswell to burn files and folders that the boss implemented Build mode).

Nonetheless, LUK has made his position clear.

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Posted 26 March 2008 - 04:55 PM

Aside from the issue of whether a multisession feature is needed, I am wondering if this feature is quite difficult to program into the app.

I don't think that it would take more than a few hours. I think its not much more than adding a checkbox so that the program wouldn't close the disk, making imgburn to check the disk and calculating the free space. And if I understand correctly imgburn can write multi session disks using a .cue file, so it's just adding some gui elements.

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Posted 26 March 2008 - 05:11 PM

Everything only takes a couple of hours to people with no idea what they're talking about.
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Posted 26 March 2008 - 05:48 PM

Everything only takes a couple of hours to people with no idea what they're talking about.



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Posted 26 March 2008 - 06:00 PM

Everything only takes a couple of hours to people with no idea what they're talking about.



Apart from sex


Just a few minutes for you donta....is that counting getting undressed and finishing off a smoke afterwards? :teehee:

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Posted 26 March 2008 - 06:33 PM

Happy Birthday LOCOENG.

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Posted 26 March 2008 - 10:07 PM

Now you are trying to make me older....and after I came to your side. :( :)

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 03:54 AM

Love your work Lightning UK!. Love DVD Decrypter, love Imgburn. The ONLY thing I can suggest is to add multisession for build mode. I, for one, would definitely find it useful. I would imagine many others would also find it useful. Hope to see it in a future release! Keep up the good work mate, you are a legend.

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Posted 20 May 2008 - 07:44 AM

Perhaps I am unusual in the way I store things, but when I record a TV show, I convert it and place it onto a DVD+RW. One DVD+RW per show (although I gradually fill it up over the season). Once they fill up (which happens over a long period of time) I copy them onto a DVD-R. I then reuse the DVD+RW.

I was using DLA (which I love the principal but hate the bugginess) but have decided to get rid of it once and for all as I believe multi-session would kinda let me do what I want.

If I do not have multisession, I would be wasting so much space on each disk, and have way too many disks. I also do not have enough hard drive space to keep them all for long periods of time.

So while I respect the author's decision to not include it in his software, I do believe there are legitimate reasons for it.

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Posted 20 May 2008 - 11:49 AM

so when your dvd+rw is full read to iso and burn to dvd-r

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Posted 21 May 2008 - 12:40 PM

so when your dvd+rw is full read to iso and burn to dvd-r

Maybe I am missing something here... but I do not have the option of incrementally adding to the DVD+RW with ImgBurn. I was using DLA, but due to the locking up and crashing it causes, that is what I want to ditch. Multisession will allow me to do this (although not quite as simply as drag and drop in Explorer) and when I have enough episodes I can then burn them to DVD-R, whether as an ISO from the DVD+RW or copy files back onto harddrive first.
Can you elaborate on what you mean?

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Posted 21 May 2008 - 02:12 PM

I assumed when you said recording you had a device that hooked up to TV like a DVD recorder to record shows. you said when your RW were full you wanted to copy them to DVD-r (so sorry I misunderstood your post) still not sure I follow what your doing especially as you then say you convert them.

Why not convert them all then use build mode to burn data disc when you have enough to fill a -r

As long as whatever format your converting them to can then be played back on a device you have that is capable of playing whatever you converted them to.

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 07:46 AM

I assumed when you said recording you had a device that hooked up to TV like a DVD recorder to record shows. you said when your RW were full you wanted to copy them to DVD-r (so sorry I misunderstood your post) still not sure I follow what your doing especially as you then say you convert them.

Why not convert them all then use build mode to burn data disc when you have enough to fill a -r

As long as whatever format your converting them to can then be played back on a device you have that is capable of playing whatever you converted them to.


I have a digital tuner hooked up to my pc. For every show that I like I have one DVD+RW disk that I store episodes on. After I have recorded an episode, I edit out the adds, convert the MPEG files to AVI, then store it on the DVD+RW disk. As the series is shown on tv over a long period of time, I have many partial filled DVD+RW disks of episodes. Once full I then copy them and burn them to DVD-R. Rinse and repeat for the next lot. The system is simple and works well, allows me to find what I want easily, doesn't waste disks and helps ease the burden on the hard drive.

My point is not to say the author of Imgburn MUST include multi session... it is his program and he is offering it for free, and I respect his wishes not to. I am however challenging the assumption that it doesn't have it's uses... as I think other people in this thread also have.

Anyway, I felt compelled to create an account and comment on this as when I searched google for imgburn and multisession DVD this thread appeared on the first page. I thought if enough people actually say that it is useful he may consider adding it (as otherwise it appears a great program.) In the mean time I have found CDBurnerXP which appears to support this and might try that out.

Thanks.

Edited by Toot29, 22 May 2008 - 07:47 AM.


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Posted 22 May 2008 - 08:28 AM

It'll be added when build mode gets a revamp to make it more 'explorer' like.

Don't ask when that'll happen because I don't know yet. :D
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Posted 23 May 2008 - 10:22 AM

It'll be added when build mode gets a revamp to make it more 'explorer' like.

Don't ask when that'll happen because I don't know yet. :D

Hah... good to hear :)

I shall check back every now and then.

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