thanks guys,,,and no im not have to much trouble with DVD+R DL,,, PANASONIC,MY SONY DVD RECORDER, have a hard time reading it,,my pioneer wont read it at all,,my son has a tv dvd combo,,APEX,,if i burn it with imageburn,,it wont read it at all to,only with DL discs,,not the 4.7 discs,,they read find with all with imageburn,,and yes i use verbatim and fuji and memorex,,they all burn fine with imagebrun and play flawlessly only on my playstation 2,,thats why i thought i could try the -R to see how this would work,,im going to burn one,,ill let you guys know what happens,,,UK buddy your the best,,keep up the not good,great work,,,if you were a little closer i throw some maple syrup your way,,cheers