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  1. 8 hours ago, dbminter said:

    That MID is generally good, but I added the caveat that it doesn't work on all burners anymore since CMC changed the manufacturing process.  The LG WH16NS60 does not write properly to them anymore.

     

    DVD+R is not necessarily better technology.  If you're more concerned about playback compatibility with older DVD players, you'll want to use DVD-R.  Any DVD player made within the last few years won't choke on DVD+R, but if you're giving movie discs to people with older players like Playstation 2's and the like, you'll want to go with DVD-R.  DVD-R is older technology, so it's "backwards compatible."  I use DVD-R because I never know what kind of player a DVD movie might be inserted into.

    If CMC changed the manufacturing process is not the same MID, by the way CMC is not the same as MCC.

    In my case, I'm not concerned about playback compatibility, technology evolves and luckily I never had such problems.

    From my point of view I prefer DVD+R, more trustable and longer life by design, unless quality media is a crap.

    There is an old article that explains it, not online anymore, but I kept a PDF copy, see it attached in this post.

    Regards

    Why DVD+R(W) is superior to DVD-R(W) - Myce.com.pdf


  2. Usually people only talk about the brand, but I think it's important to take into account that same brand can use differente manufacturers.

     

    BRAND: Verbatim Datalife
    MANUFACTURER: CMC Magnetics Corp
    EAN: 0023942438113
    MID: CMCMAG-BA5-000
    CAPACITY: 25 GB
    SPINDLE: 25 discs

     

    CMC seems to have done a good job in these discs, high quality from my experience. And as you already know CMC had a very bad reputation in DVDs.

     

    BRAND: Verbatim
    MANUFACTURER: Mitsubishi Kagaku Media
    EAN: 023942437420
    MID: VERBAT-IMe-000
    CAPACITY: 25 GB
    SPINDLE: 10 discs

     

    Very high quality, possibly even better than Verbatim Datalife because the price.

     

    BRAND: Mediarange (MR508)
    MANUFACTURER: Mitsubishi Kagaku Media
    EAN: 4260057128980
    MID: VERBAT-IMf-000
    CAPACITY: 50 GB
    SPINDLE: 25 discs

     

    Crap media despite the manufacturer is Mitsubishi Kagaku Media, it's necessary to burn it at 2X always, and even at that speed is not guaranteed that you get a coaster. Lot of uncorrectable errors after starting to verify second layer if you burn it at more than 2X, always.

     

    BRAND: Verbatim
    MANUFACTURER: Mitsubishi Kagaku Media
    EAN/UPC: VBR260YP20SV1
    MID: VERBAT-IMf-000 (same MID that Mediarange MR508)
    CAPACITY: 50 GB
    SPINDLE: 20 discs

     

    Great quality, I think one of them failed, I'm not sure.

     

    BRAND: Verbatim
    MANUFACTURER: Matsushita Electric Industrial Co. Ltd.
    EAN/UPC: VBR260YP50V1

    MID: MEI-T02-001
    CAPACITY: 50 GB
    SPINDLE: 50 discs

     

    Superb quality as far as I know.

     

    BRAND: Primeon
    MANUFACTURER:  RITEK
    EAN: 4260027613119

    4260027613119
    4260027613119
    4260027613119
    4260027613119
    4260027613119
    4260027613119
    4260027613119

    MID: RITEK-DR3-000
    CAPACITY: 50 GB
    SPINDLE: 10 discs

     

    Seems to be a very good quality aswell, 8 discs burnt, no coasters, at 2X and 4X.

     

    I'm thinking to switch from Verbatim (the ones made by Matsushita) to Primeon (made by Ritek) because at same price I can get one Primeon spindle more, all the discs I've pointed are HTL made.

     

    I read this thread -> https://club.myce.com/t/ritek-bd-r-dl/306005/16

     

    But I don't understand the pictures, the more 'equalized' is the graph better quality has the media?. So Primeon RITEK-DR3-000 is a quality media or not?.

     

    Kind regards


  3. I've burnt several RITEK-DR3-000 (Primeon brand) with my Pioneer 209DBK and always is succesful, at 2x and 4X, I'm wondering if stay with Verbatim, a bit more expensive or switch to Primeon, I would like a common sense answer if it's possible :)

     

    Btw he is burning at max speed, 8X, try 2X or 4X instead, surely it will be fine this time.

     

    Kind regards


  4. I want to share another funny thing with you:

     

    BRAND: Mediarange (MR508)
    MANUFACTURER: Mitsubishi Kagaku Media
    EAN: 4260057128980
    MID: VERBAT-IMf-000
    CAPACITY: 50 GB
    SPINDLE: 25 discs

     

    -----

     

    BRAND: Verbatim
    MANUFACTURER: Mitsubishi Kagaku Media
    EAN/UPC: VBR260YP20SV1
    MID: VERBAT-IMf-000
    CAPACITY: 50 GB
    SPINDLE: 20 discs

     

    Possible writing speeds:

     

    LG BHN16NS40 -> 4x, 6X, 8X (both) , burning Mediarange you nearly always get a coaster, burning Verbatim nearly always is successful (burning both at 4X, that is minimum speed available)

     

    Pioneer BDR-209DBK -> 2X, 4X, 6X, 8X (both) , burning Mediarange usually is successful at 2X if we try 4X you get a coaster for sure, burning Verbatim at 2X or 4X is nearly always successful

     

    I always verify what I burn

     

    Apparently both discs are the same, different brand but same manufacturer and MID, but obviously are not the same quality, Mediarange process of production must be different . . .

     

    So, it's no the same Kentucky Fried Chicken than three fuckin' in the kitchen   ROFL

     

    Nice people, nice forum, please don't die before I do :)

     

    Kind regards


  5. You know?  The sad fact of the matter is that some things just don't make sense.  There's obviously a cause, but you'll be damned if you can find it.  And the way I see it, as long as you get a working solution, go with it.  :D

     

    Yeah, there is a logical explanation for this, I don't believe in witches, maybe hard to find out, no time and energy to try out it

     

    Kind regards


  6. Thanks mates, I understand what you mean and it makes sense of course, but let me explain first what I tried.

     

    That folder was in my hard disk, with blu-ray structure, BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders of course. I copied it to a different hard disk of my PC, same problem trying to burn it, so I copied it to a different PC via LAN with a different burner, exactly the same problem trying to burn it.

     

    I processed that folder with DVDFab, and then I was able to burn it, using the Primeon discs by the way . . .

     

    Yeah I understand what you mean, what's wrong then?. It's possible to copy and move data to different hard disks, nothing weird analyzing with BDinfo, even it's possible to play the movie, very strange thing.

     

    My third Primeon disc burnt, no problem at all, even at 4X, layer break transition ok, unlike Mediarange crap . . .

     

    I updated my burner to firmware 1.50 again :)

     

    Kind regards


  7. Hi again dudes!

     

    Oh my cock! Shame on me!, the problem was not the firmware nor the Primeon discs, just the blu-ray I was trying to burn, it was not properly unprotected, despite BDinfo did not indicate nothing wrong, even playing the movie.

     

    My mistake was trying to burn always the same blu-ray using Primeon discs, I burnt different ones with Verbatim but not this one . . .

     

    Primeon discs seems to have a very decent quality by the way.

     

    Kind regards


  8. If you're adventurous, you could try reverting the Pioneer firmware from 1.50 to 1.34 with DVRTool.  See what I did here:

     

    http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?/topic/24254-random-trouble-with-bd-writeverify/

     

     

    However, be aware that my experience with DVRTool works with the Pioneer BD-2209 drive.  It may not work with your drive.

     

    Thank you so much @dbminter, your link was very useful, I was able to extract the firmware from updater.exe using 7Zip, and later revert my burner to the previous firmware using DVRTool v1.02, and guess what . . . I have the same problem!!

     

    Thanks a bunch @LIGHTNING UK! and @dbminter for your great help :)

     

    I don't recommend you to purchase these discs, it seems to me that first one of the spindle is the only one usable ROFL

     

    Kind regards


  9. I encountered a similar problem.  I got a 209 to supplement my 2209 from Pioneer.  I put the 209 in my enclosure to test it before installing it internally, which was its target destination.  I updated the firmware to 1.50 from 1.34.  I tried burning a Verbatim BD-R SL, but at 70% into it, the write rate dropped to 0.0x and never resumed.  The drive light was off but the enclosure light was flashing.  Had to power off the enclosure and had a coaster.  I tried a DVD+RW and the same thing happened at 97% into Verify.  I installed the drive internally in case it might be the enclosure or a conflict with the enclosure and the 209.  The 2209 was no problem back in January with this same enclosure.  The drive works fine installed internally, it seems, so it must be either the enclosure or an incompatibility between the enclosure and the 209.

     

     

    This doesn't appear to be your problem because the screen shot seems to indicate your drive is installed as SATA, which is internally installed.

     

     

    Yes, it's internally installed

     

    Following LUK advice I posted my problem in MyCE forums:

     

    https://club.myce.com/t/i-cant-burn-primeon-bd-dl-after-updating-burner-firmware-pioneer-bdr-209dbk/400827

     

    Aside from this I've sent a couple of e-mails to supposedly Pioneer related people, the main e-mail to get in touch with them doesn't work.

     

    I think the only way is waiting for a new firmware or maybe someone able to release a tool to revert it.

     

    Kind regards


  10. There will be a way to revert, you'll just need to use 3rd party tools or unlocked flashers.

     

    You may find something of use over at the MyCE forums. They deal with this kind of thing (firmware things).

     

    Thank you so much LUK, I will look for it :)

     

    I have a reply from Pioneer and they gave me a different e-mail address, the one for computer section

     

    If I find a solution I will post here

     

    Kind regards


  11. Hi all,

     

    Early this week I bought one spindle of Primeon double layer blu-ray, I read good things about them, even people burning it with same burner that I have without problems.

     

    DISCS REFERENCE: 2761311

    MEDIACODE: RITEK-DR3-000

     

    As soon as I received it tried to burn one disc, no problem at all, it seems to be a quality media. Then I was just curious if maybe there was a new firmware for my burner, several months without checking for a new one, and I guess it, there were new firmwares for latest Pioneer burners (I think), these models: BDR-211EBK, BDR-211UBK, BDR-209EBK, BDR-209UBK (BDR-2209), BDR-209DBK, BDR-S09XLB y BDR-S09XLT

     

    My burner is the Pioneer BDR-209DBK, and my previous firmware 1.34, and the new one is 1.50 (updated Mar 2, 2018)

     

    As you can suppose, I could not resist and updated my burner with the new firmware, and now I can't burn Primeon blu-ray discs, I'm very dissapointed.

     

    As you can see in the image, the burn process never starts. Time elapsed does not appear in the screenshot but I waited more than 8 minutes, at least I dont' get a coaster.

     

    oXnMUS4.jpg

     

    Here you have the log, but I think it does not matter because the burn process does not start at all:

     

     

    I 17:39:24 ImgBurn Version 2.5.8.0 started!
    I 17:39:24 Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Edition (6.1, Build 7601 : Service Pack 1)
    I 17:39:24 Total Physical Memory: 16.716.280 KiB  -  Available: 14.941.444 KiB
    I 17:39:24 Initialising SPTI...
    I 17:39:24 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
    I 17:39:25 -> Drive 1 - Info: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH24NSB0 LN00-78 (J:) (SATA)
    I 17:39:25 -> Drive 2 - Info: PIONEER BD-RW   BDR-209D 1.50-ID61 (Q:) (SATA)
    I 17:39:25 Found 1 DVD±RW/RAM and 1 BD-RE!
    I 17:41:15 Operation Started!
    I 17:41:15 Building Image Tree...
    I 17:41:16 Calculating Totals...
    I 17:41:16 Preparing Image...
    I 17:41:16 Contents: 2.136 Files, 47 Folders
    I 17:41:16 Content Type: BD Video
    I 17:41:16 Data Type: MODE1/2048
    I 17:41:16 File System(s): UDF (2.50)
    I 17:41:16 Volume Label: [Not Configured]
    I 17:41:16 Size: 47.238.877.519 bytes
    I 17:41:16 Sectors: 23.067.116
    I 17:41:16 Image Size: 47.251.652.608 bytes
    I 17:41:16 Image Sectors: 23.072.096
    I 17:41:16 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:00
    I 17:42:06 Operation Started!
    I 17:42:07 Building Image Tree...
    I 17:42:09 Calculating Totals...
    I 17:42:09 Preparing Image...
    I 17:42:09 Contents: 2.136 Files, 47 Folders
    I 17:42:09 Content Type: BD Video
    I 17:42:09 Data Type: MODE1/2048
    I 17:42:09 File System(s): UDF (2.50)
    I 17:42:09 Volume Label: Stoker (2013) Full Blu-ray
    I 17:42:09 Size: 47.238.877.519 bytes
    I 17:42:09 Sectors: 23.067.116
    I 17:42:09 Image Size: 47.251.652.608 bytes
    I 17:42:09 Image Sectors: 23.072.096
    I 17:42:16 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:09
    I 17:42:16 Operation Started!
    I 17:42:16 Source File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-
    I 17:42:16 Source File Sectors: 23.072.096 (MODE1/2048)
    I 17:42:16 Source File Size: 47.251.652.608 bytes
    I 17:42:16 Source File Volume Identifier: Stoker (2013) Full Blu-ray
    I 17:42:16 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 4C728D430160042C
    I 17:42:16 Source File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0
    I 17:42:16 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
    I 17:42:16 Source File File System(s): UDF (2.50)
    I 17:42:16 Destination Device: [3:0:0] PIONEER BD-RW   BDR-209D 1.50 (Q:) (SATA)
    I 17:42:16 Destination Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: RITEK-DR3-000)
    I 17:42:16 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 2x; 4x; 6x; 8x
    I 17:42:16 Destination Media Sectors: 24.438.784
    I 17:42:16 Write Mode: BD
    I 17:42:16 Write Type: DAO
    I 17:42:16 Write Speed: 2x
    I 17:42:16 Hardware Defect Management Active: No
    I 17:42:16 BD-R Verify Not Required: Yes
    I 17:42:16 Link Size: Auto
    I 17:42:16 Lock Volume: Yes
    I 17:42:16 Test Mode: No
    I 17:42:16 OPC: No
    I 17:42:16 BURN-Proof: Enabled
    I 17:42:16 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 8.990 KB/s (2x)
    I 17:42:16 Advanced Settings - Optimal Writing Speed: No
     

     

     

    After waiting several minutes I try to kill Imgburn with task manager, and apparently the program is closed but the process is shown in task manager, the hard disk led is permanently on and I can't eject the burner tray, so I'm forced to reboot, no problem doing that.

     

    I tried desperately several things, but I'm sure that the problem is related with the new firmware.

     

    I tried:

     

    - Different burning speeds

    - Reinstalling Imgburn

    - Reinstalling chipset driver

    - Uninstalling the burner from 'Device manager' booting in safe mode and booting again after doing this to get it installed again in normal mode

    - Enable OPC

    - Try a different Primeon disc

    - And lastly I tried a Verbatim double layer blu-ray, and no problem with this one (not problem with the previous firmware either)

     

    Aside from this, I can read the Primeon burnt disc with the previous firmware, and Imgburn keeps showing me the info about these discs

     

    Pioneer firmware website:

     

    http://pioneer.jp/device_e/product-e/ibs/device_e/dev00001r_e.html

     

    SO BE CAREFUL WITH THIS NEW FIRMWARE!!, I don't suggest you to update it, because it seems that there is no way back.

     

    Surely I'll will send an e-mail to Pioneer, I still can't believe this :-(

     

    Kind regards


  12. If the disk has been formatted with spare areas enabled, the drive will enable its defect management feature and will automatically verify as it burns. That's what makes it burn at half the speed it's set to.

     

    Thank you so much LUK, awesome info as always :)

     

    Kind regards


  13. Hi all, a friend has told me that when he burns blu-rays, writing speed always drops to the half he set up, and the reason is due to 'somekind of verification', he barely can be more accurate, 'he read it somewhere'.

     

    So, if he is burning at 4X he only achieves 2X and so on. Is there any kind of explanation for this?. I only can imagine the reason could be the media writing speed limits, but he told me is using the same blu-rays that I'm using, and those ones have higher speed limits :whatever:

     

    Btw he is using linux, I already told him to try imgburn. And their burner seems to be the same one I have, Pioneer 209-DBK.

     

    Kind regards

     

     

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