Write error when using MDS - not when using ISO

[Mr Bitey]

Howdy,

 

Ive recently been having some problems when trying to burn using the MDS file rather than the ISO.. I blew through 3 Verabtim +R DL's using the MDS until I tried the ISO by itself (moved the mds file to another directory) - and it burned fine.

 

Happened again to me tonight (differen ISO) - but only wasted 1 DL..

 

Im using Anydvd 6.0.6.1 and dvddecrypter to make the ISO/MDS files..

 

I turn off anydvd to do the burn.

 

I suspicious of anydvd in this instance as ive only recently updated it and burned many DL's using MDS without problems.

 

Here is the log - note this failed 3 times on me (3 different discs) when I used the MDS file (For a DVD9), and burned perfectly when I used the ISO only:

 

The following log shows a sucessful burn of a DVD5 MDS and a failed DVD9 MDS (which burns fine with the ISO only):

 

I 20:54:06 ImgBurn Version 2.0.0.0 started!

I 20:54:06 Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional (5.0, Build 2195 : Service Pack 3)

I 20:54:06 Initialising ElbyCDIO...

I 20:54:06 ELBYCDIO.DLL - Elaborate Bytes CDRTools - ElbyCDIO DLL - Version 6.0.3.1

I 20:54:06 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 20:54:26 Found 3 DVD-ROMs and 1 DVD?RW/RAM!

I 20:54:40 Operation Started!

I 20:54:40 Source File: E:\DVD\RAW ISO\YYYYYYYY.MDS

I 20:54:40 Source File Sectors: 1,892,764 (MODE1/2048)

I 20:54:40 Source File Size: 3,876,380,672 bytes

I 20:54:40 Source File Volume Identifier: YYYYYYYY

I 20:54:40 Source File Implementation Identifier: Sonic Scenarist 3.1

I 20:54:40 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 20:54:40 Destination Device: [1:0:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-111L 8.26 (F:) (ATA)

I 20:54:40 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: TYG02) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x)

I 20:54:40 Destination Media Sectors: 2,297,888

I 20:54:40 Write Mode: DVD

I 20:54:40 Write Type: DAO

I 20:54:40 Write Speed: MAX

I 20:54:40 Link Size: Auto

I 20:54:40 Test Mode: No

I 20:54:40 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 20:54:44 Filling Buffer...

I 20:54:51 Writing LeadIn...

I 20:55:10 Writing Image...

I 21:00:53 Synchronising Cache...

I 21:01:05 Image MD5: 131c31d790b81bf491a9e23eeb561b29

I 21:01:05 Exporting Graph Data...

I 21:01:05 Graph Data File: E:\DVD\LOGS\PIONEER_DVD-RW_DVR-111L_8.26(36).ibg

I 21:01:05 Export Successfully Completed!

I 21:01:05 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:06:25

I 21:01:05 Average Write Rate: 11,036 KB/s (8.0x) - Maximum Write Rate: 17,399 KB/s (12.6x)

I 21:01:05 Cycling Tray before Verify...

I 21:01:29 Device Ready!

I 21:01:29 Operation Started!

I 21:01:29 Source Device: [1:0:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-111L 8.26 (F:) (ATA)

I 21:01:29 Source Media Type: DVD-R (Book Type: DVD-R) (Disc ID: TYG02) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x)

I 21:01:29 Image File: E:\DVD\RAW ISO\YYYYYYYY.MDS

I 21:01:29 Image File Sectors: 1,892,764 (MODE1/2048)

I 21:01:29 Image File Size: 3,876,380,672 bytes

I 21:01:29 Image File Volume Identifier: YYYYYYYY

I 21:01:29 Image File Implementation Identifier: Sonic Scenarist 3.1

I 21:01:29 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 21:01:29 Verifying Sectors...

I 21:07:02 Device MD5: 131c31d790b81bf491a9e23eeb561b29

I 21:07:02 Image MD5: 131c31d790b81bf491a9e23eeb561b29

I 21:07:03 Exporting Graph Data...

I 21:07:03 Graph Data File: E:\DVD\LOGS\PIONEER_DVD-RW_DVR-111L_8.26(36).ibg

I 21:07:03 Export Successfully Completed!

I 21:07:03 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:05:33

I 21:07:03 Average Verify Rate: 11,367 KB/s (8.2x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 16,056 KB/s (11.6x)

I 21:30:58 Operation Started!

I 21:30:58 Source File: E:\DVD\RAW ISO\XXXXXXXX.MDS

I 21:30:58 Source File Sectors: 3,958,481 (MODE1/2048)

I 21:30:58 Source File Size: 8,106,969,088 bytes

I 21:30:58 Source File Volume Identifier: XXXXXXXX

I 21:30:58 Source File Implementation Identifier: Sonic Scenarist 3.1

I 21:30:58 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 21:30:58 Destination Device: [1:0:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-111L 8.26 (F:) (ATA)

I 21:30:58 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: MKM-001-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x, 8x)

I 21:30:58 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824

I 21:30:58 Write Mode: DVD

I 21:30:58 Write Type: DAO

I 21:30:58 Write Speed: MAX

I 21:30:58 Link Size: Auto

I 21:30:58 Test Mode: No

I 21:30:58 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 21:30:58 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,004,896

I 21:30:58 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: Copied From Original Disc

I 21:31:15 Filling Buffer...

I 21:31:21 Writing LeadIn...

I 21:31:31 Writing Image...

I 21:31:31 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2004895)

I 21:38:28 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 2004896 - 3958480)

W 21:46:56 Failed to Write Sectors 3952672 - 3952703 - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

W 21:46:56 Retrying (1 of 20)...

W 21:47:20 Retry Failed - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

W 21:47:20 Retrying (2 of 20)...

W 21:47:44 Retry Failed - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

W 21:47:44 Retrying (3 of 20)...

W 21:48:09 Retry Failed - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

W 21:48:09 Retrying (4 of 20)...

W 21:48:33 Retry Failed - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

W 21:48:33 Retrying (5 of 20)...

W 21:48:57 Retry Failed - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

W 21:48:57 Retrying (6 of 20)...

W 21:49:22 Retry Failed - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

W 21:49:22 Retrying (7 of 20)...

W 21:49:46 Retry Failed - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

W 21:49:46 Retrying (8 of 20)...

W 21:50:11 Retry Failed - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

W 21:50:11 Retrying (9 of 20)...

W 21:50:35 Retry Failed - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

W 21:50:35 Retrying (10 of 20)...

W 21:51:00 Retry Failed - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

W 21:51:00 Retrying (11 of 20)...

W 21:51:24 Retry Failed - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

W 21:51:24 Retrying (12 of 20)...

W 21:51:48 Retry Failed - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

W 21:51:48 Retrying (13 of 20)...

W 21:52:13 Retry Failed - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

W 21:52:13 Retrying (14 of 20)...

W 21:52:37 Retry Failed - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

W 21:52:37 Retrying (15 of 20)...

W 21:53:02 Retry Failed - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

W 21:53:02 Retrying (16 of 20)...

W 21:53:26 Retry Failed - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

W 21:53:26 Retrying (17 of 20)...

W 21:53:51 Retry Failed - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

W 21:53:51 Retrying (18 of 20)...

W 21:54:15 Retry Failed - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

W 21:54:15 Retrying (19 of 20)...

W 21:54:40 Retry Failed - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

W 21:54:40 Retrying (20 of 20)...

I 21:54:42 Abort Request Acknowledged

W 21:55:05 Retry Failed - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

E 21:55:05 Failed to Write Sectors 3952672 - 3952703 - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

I 21:55:05 Synchronising Cache...

I 21:55:06 Closing Track...

E 21:56:50 Close Track Failed! - Reason: Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

I 21:56:51 Finalising Disc...

E 21:58:31 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

E 21:58:31 Failed to Write Image!

I 21:58:31 Exporting Graph Data...

I 21:58:31 Graph Data File: E:\DVD\LOGS\PIONEER_DVD-RW_DVR-111L_8.26(37).ibg

I 21:58:31 Export Successfully Completed!

E 21:58:31 Operation Aborted! - Duration: 00:27:33

I 21:58:31 Average Write Rate: 5,594 KB/s (4.0x) - Maximum Write Rate: 11,198 KB/s (8.1x)

 

I also updated to IMGBURN 2.1.0.0 which exhibited the same problems with the same MDS & ISO file (I didnt keep the log of that one tho)

 

Cheers,

Bitey

Edited September 20, 2006 by Mr Bitey

[LIGHTNING UK!]

Does using the ISO only mean it uses the same layerbreak position? Thats the only potential difference between using the MDS or using the ISO directly.

 

It looks to me as if your drive just bombed out on burning the last bit of the 2nd layer.

 

Isn't there a 8.29 version of your firmware out? or can you not crossflash to 1.29? You might have more luck with it.

[Kenadjian]

Even though this may sound unrealated to your problem, I'd lower the burn speed to 4x.

[Mr Bitey]

Hi Lightning UK,

 

Yeah same layerbreak position.. (I checked it before burning the ISO directly) I thaught it was a bad burn at first, but it burns fine with the ISO and not with the MDS - thats the wierd thing... 3 dl's failing in a row on the MDS then working on the ISO... and again 1 fail on the MDS and burn fine on the ISO (jewel case jobs).. just seems really suss to me - and they failed in the same spot...

 

Firmware: Yeah I think theres a newer version out.. but these burns have been pretty good with that firmware (tested on a liteon drive with kprobe2).. ive only had these bad burns out of 40 DL's so far..

 

I'll check on the anydvd forums to see if anyone else has seen anything similar..

 

So theres no real problems burning the ISO directly rather than the MDS if the layerbreak is in the same spot? (manually checked?)

 

Cheers,

Bitey

[Mr Bitey]

Even though this may sound unrealated to your problem, I'd lower the burn speed to 4x.

 

Your right - it does sound unrelated :-).. next spindle of DL's i'll give it a try on one of these troublesome MDS files.. to test it out.. im still wondering if the MDS is referencing something that doesnt exist in the ISO.. (then again i might just be going crazy

 

Cheers,

Bitey

[LIGHTNING UK!]

Seriously, the ONLY thing the MDS is doing is telling ImgBurn the layer break position.

 

You say they're identical so there is NO difference at all within the program when it actually comes to burning.

[Mr Bitey]

Seriously, the ONLY thing the MDS is doing is telling ImgBurn the layer break position.

 

You say they're identical so there is NO difference at all within the program when it actually comes to burning.

 

Cool - Thanks a lot LIGHTNING UK!

 

Cheers,

Bitey

[fordman]

Isn't there a 8.29 version of your firmware out? or can you not crossflash to 1.29? You might have more luck with it.

 

Actually, 8.26 seems the newest for that drive. It's the "Buffalo" version of the Pioneer DVR-111 drive, which has bitsetting support, DVD-RAM write/read, and Labelflash all in one. He needs to keep the 8.26 version to keep all those features. I have the same drive (111D crossflashed to 111L) and it works fine with 8.26 firmware.

 

If the .MDS file somehow got corrupted, or was for a different DVD, could it perhaps cause the issues he's having?

[LIGHTNING UK!]

nope, not a chance.

 

The data comes from the ISO regardless. All the MDS provides is the layer break position - which has already been confirmed as containing the same address the program finds by parsing the IFO files when he just loaded the ISO.

[Kenadjian]

W 21:46:56 Failed to Write Sectors 3952672 - 3952703 - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0xD6)

Looking at where the burn failed right near the end of the second layer I doubt it has anything to do with with the LB, that's why I'm going for speed.

 

You could argue that burning the ISO should produce the same result, and I'd have to agree, but it could just be fluke that the ISO goes through and the MDS fails.

 

Just a thought.

[Kenadjian]

Shit, I type too slow.

[SPA_CE]

if he/she/both were to change the SCSI/ATAPI device driver from Elby-CDIO to SPTI, would it make any difference while in the burning process?

 

(I'm am so sorry for my bad english)

[LIGHTNING UK!]

I'd hope the ElbyCDIO interface wasn't making up the error! So no, it shouldn't make a difference.

 

Although I always recommend people use SPTI, Mr Bitey might be using Elby because he is running under a 'normal' (non admin) account - where SPTI then wouldn't work.

[Mr Bitey]

I'd hope the ElbyCDIO interface wasn't making up the error! So no, it shouldn't make a difference.

 

Although I always recommend people use SPTI, Mr Bitey might be using Elby because he is running under a 'normal' (non admin) account - where SPTI then wouldn't work.

 

All,

 

Thanks for the replies.. Im using elbycdio because it seems to be 'recommended' for people (over on the cdfreaks anydvd subforum) using anydvd to do the decrypting and dvddecrypter to do the ISO making. If SPTI works fine then i'll use that :-) (im not on a non-admin account).

 

The MDS was definatly for the right DVD (both times)..

 

Kenadjian,

I know what your saying re:speed - but the drive slows down near the end of the burn (the failures were occuring late in the process 98% / 99%) where the drive'd slowed down burning. I'll see if I can find the .ibg file for that burn..

 

Lightning UK - is there a way to check if the MDS is 'bad' ?

 

Cheers,

Bitey

[LIGHTNING UK!]

'Bad' would be if the layer break was at some stupid LBA or it tried to point to files that don't exist.

 

Neither of those are problems you're experiencing (you'd have got errors when you loaded the mds if there was a problem with the files).

[Mr Bitey]

Hmm.. ok - thanks for taking the time on this Lightning UK - I'll just let it be and manually check the LB.. could just be a fluke or just a me thing :-)

 

Cheers,

Bitey