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    Having heaps of trouble with +RW disks for Camcorder

    in ImgBurn General

    Posted

    @Shamus - probably, but it's really for Firey just to take a few home movies - you know, pointing the lens at the mirrored ceiling =))

     

    @Chewy - I think yer right, and yes, they could do with a firmware flash, couldn't they? The Maxell -Rs that were supplied with the cam perform flawlessly. Maybe we'll get them instead. IIRC, Hitachi was part of the -R consortium and probably prefer them. I just was real attracted to the auto-finalisation feature, which works well in 1 out of 4 sides :D

     

    Regards

    Having heaps of trouble with +RW disks for Camcorder

    in ImgBurn General

    Posted

    Well, I can report success (of sorts).

     

    I finalised the only disk that was working and made an image of that (this time it's a full 1.4Gb). Burnt it to one of the "bad" disks. Reckoned it HAD to work - after all, it's a bit for bit copy - filesystem and all. And presto, it loaded up in the cam!! (A review in DVDIP and ISOBuster showed comparability). The finalised disk says "completed" in BG Format field but still reckons there's 26.5Mb free (strange that). Anyway, after loading the burnt side, I used the cam to unfinalise and format. So far, so good.

     

    But there's more .... (steak knives ad here)

     

    Took disk out. Just to be sure put it back in - remember, it's a newly formatted disk now by the cam (and Windows sees its folders too, btw). And - well, shit happens - but the cam doesn't recognise it's own formatted disk. :(

     

    I think the only conclusion to make is that this cam and these disks just don't go well together.

     

    Regards

    Having heaps of trouble with +RW disks for Camcorder

    in ImgBurn General

    Posted

    OK - here's some comparisons. I took the data from the side that was working and made an ISO from it. Here's the comparisons (note the filesystem ID and the sizes of the DVD):

     

    THIS IS WORKING:

     

    workspa2.png

     

    works2ot8.png

     

     

    THIS DISK DOESN'T LOAD:

     

    nogoodxi9.png

     

    nogood2ey0.png

     

    I wonder whether I should try to make another ISO but this time do a track at once burn. Will that leave the disk in a similar shape to the working one perhaps? Note also the different BG format status in DVDIP - I am not at all sure this can be changed - also not sure if it's important.

     

    Thanks again for any advice.

     

    Regards

    Having heaps of trouble with +RW disks for Camcorder

    in ImgBurn General

    Posted

    Yup - normal 8cm. But I have a feeling the cam likes to see its own IDs in the filesystem area (na dnot ImgBurn etc). Maybe it keys in on these. But that does not explain why it won't recognise a disk that has 1.4Gb of zeros on it and say "OK, let's format it". Maybe it see the format is "yes" and this confuses it. Shitting me, LFC, but a lousy disk and cam aren't gunna better me.

     

    Strange thing is the -Rs work a treat (so far), but I really liked the idea of auto finalisation with the +RWs.

     

    Regards

    Having heaps of trouble with +RW disks for Camcorder

    in ImgBurn General

    Posted

    Yeah - same problem.

     

    Media is OK, according to ISOBuster. The bloody cam just don't know it's there - it's like I gotta bit of plastic in the cam, not a DVD. I wonder if these disks come preformatted with a special kinda format for Camcorders?

     

    Is there a way to lay down the filesystem now? Maybe the cam would recognise it then.

     

    Regards

    Having heaps of trouble with +RW disks for Camcorder

    in ImgBurn General

    Posted

    @LFC - the cam is brand new and has been taken back twice now!

     

    @LUK - I did a quick format, but got the "have to do a full format" message because it was unformatted. Still, the cam can't recognise it, much less burn it.

     

    Will try again.

     

    EDIT: ISOBuster shows this:

     

    07312006191710xj1.png

     

    Where's the filesystem gone????

     

    (No files were found, showing the format worked - sorta)

     

    EDIT2: Just did a full format in ImgBurn and ISOBuster shows the same message (every sector is 00s). Highly confused now - I thought ImgBurn laid down a filesystem.

     

    Regards

    Having heaps of trouble with +RW disks for Camcorder

    in ImgBurn General

    Posted

    just found this as well . its a hitachi spec sheet pdf file, but read the DVD+rw section, it says,

    "No finalising needed"

    HERE

    Yeah - I read the book back to front and that's what attracted me to the +RWs - that I could shoot something, not fill the disk up and just play it on a stand alone player. The idea is that it auto finalises (so the book says).

     

    Thanks for the help btw volvo. Much appreciated

     

    Regards

    Having heaps of trouble with +RW disks for Camcorder

    in ImgBurn General

    Posted

    It's a DVD+RW and can only handle VF mode (which is standard DVD-VIDEO). Strange thing is forst time I popped it in, it knew it was unformatted, did a quick format and allowed me to take some vid. Turned unit off and on and couldn't recognise disk.

     

    Only diff now is that ImgBurn shows formatted as "Yes". But still no joy. Maybe I should burn something onto it and see how that goes.

     

    Regards

    Having heaps of trouble with +RW disks for Camcorder

    in ImgBurn General

    Posted

    The latest - did a fast format/compatible close in DVDIP and PC still can't recognise it. Still says pout a disk in drive but then comes up with this:

     

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    I think I've trashed another disk :(

     

    Doing full erase in ImgBurn now. EDIT: Erase completed OK but neither PC or Cam recognises disk. Only ImgBurn and DVDIP. Close disk gives me "Invalid field in CDB" error.

     

    Even old Ner0 reckons the disk is OK and ready to burn.

     

    07312006002506zg7.png

     

    Regards

    Having heaps of trouble with +RW disks for Camcorder

    in ImgBurn General

    Posted

    The disks are SONY. Here's the ImgBurn ID.

     

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    When inserted in the PC, Windows can't read them (similar to an unfinalised -R).

     

    You can clearly see the minute or so of the recorded vid on them.

     

    As for a brand new disk, I am fresh out, now. Only got buggered ones.

     

    The Camcorder definitely recoignises them first time round - it's a Hitachi DZ-BX35E (entry level cam for I bought for Firey). And one side of the another disk I have still reads well and is recognised in the PC and cam.

     

    Trying to run a Tools-Drive-Close-Session now. Will report back. EDIT: Didn't help. Windows still can't read it and neither can the Cam.

     

    Bit stumped on this one.

     

    Regards

    Having heaps of trouble with +RW disks for Camcorder

    in ImgBurn General

    Posted

    Something is eating my +RWs for my Camcorder! :wacko:

     

    They are standard 1.4Gb per side. I like the +RWs because they supposedly auto-finalise.

     

    They cost a bucket (A$18 per double sided DVD) and are driving me bananas.

     

    Here's the story - put in blank and the cam recognises the DVD as unformatted and "formats" the disk without a problem - I can tell that it's not a full format 'cos it takes only about 15 seconds.

     

    I can then shoot some video. Turn off the Camcorder and turn it on again and the disk can not be recognised! I noticed it did not auto finalise. Not sure if I turned it off when the "Access" light was lit (this supposedly fucks them up but good), but I don't think so.

     

    Window$ won't even recognise there is a disk there (this is usual for an unfinalised DVD-R/W but not for +R which are supposed to auto-finalise).

     

    Question: Can ImgBurn help me format these back to the start so I can at least experiment on them? I believe they use the DVD+RW spec 1.2 which is UDFFS.

     

    Thanks for any help.

     

    Regards

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