Thanks chewy, the PC is my brothers who incidentally is on holiday and asked if i would sort it for him. I don't think he'll be too happy to see I've removed Nero/clonedvd/dvdclonerIII/xoom.... and a host of other programs that he no longer needs.
Anyway whats with BCFC why not use the latest release, forgive me is i sound naive but isn't firmware just firmware .