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I noticed that when I used ImgBurn in build mode I was offered a lot of choices for the layer break, but with the Shrink ISO there was only one offered. So have I got this correct: when ImgBurn is used in build mode, it organizes things such that there'll be plenty of possible positions for the layer break to choose from later? Interesting. I guess they will reach that price here eventually Oh I am convinced that Shrink is not a good thing to use for this purpose (due to both the fact that only one layer break position was offered, and the fact that it didn't work!). What I am not clear on, though, is why the burn actually failed to finalise. The only explanation that's been suggested is the quality of the media, but I am still doubtful. I've certainly never had a problem resembling this with poor SL media. Is it possible that ImgBurn has some other compatibility issue with DL sized ISOs made by Shrink? If so, it would be preferable if it would warn, or refuse to handle them.

No, not that disc.

Yes, the reason I don't think the problem with that particular disc was due to the media is that the disc burnt and verified fine. It also plays fine on a PC and a cheap divx compatible player, but all name brand 'proper' DVD players I've tried it on refuse to load it. It seems more like a problem with the data/layout, though I'm not expert enough to say what that fault is likely to be. It might not be Nero's fault - I ran it through Vobblanker, maybe that could have messed it up? Edit: LIGHTNING UK, perhaps you are the only person that can answer the main question of this thread, i.e. are there any functionality advantages to using ImgBurn instead of Nero? As I said, I plan to use ImgBurn, but I'd still like to know. I am particularly interested in the behaviour with DL discs, since I never have any problems with single layer ones.

Nero StartSmart is certainly simplistic and a little bloated, but I would not accuse Nero Burning Rom v6 of either of those faults. You are making assumptions. I'm sure the coaster I referred to was not due to due media problems, but due to some formatting error on the disc (an incorrectly placed layer break, perhaps).

Thanks for the info polopony. I tracked down the Buffalo firmare. However, since it's a few months older than the latest official one, and my DL DVDs are actually playing OK in my fairly old Toshiba player, I'm in two minds as to whether I'll install it. I'm in the UK & usually buy from SVP. Verb Datalife are currently ?1.90. I'll shortly be trying some Datawrite Full-Face Printable (8x) DL DVD+R which are ?0.64 each, so you can see why I'm reluctant to buy the Verbatims. Would be interested to hear of any cheaper sources.

Then your problems will continue. I'm sure Verbatims are great, but since I've not had any problems due to the quality of the media I can't see much sense in your claim that problems will continue. DVD Shrink doesn't correctly set the layer break. Why would it? It was designed to compress video to fit onto a single layer disk. You're missing my point, which was: ImgBurn didn't report any problems with the ISO, and said *it* was setting a layer break. Thus the fact that DVD Shrink doesn't set the layer break is not relevant for any obvious reason. But perhaps there is some more subtle issue regarding the layer break and the Shrink ISO. Also, DVD Shrink does have settings for handling DL disks, so your question 'Why would it' (get it right) seems rather odd. If it has settings for DL, it *ought* to handle them correctly.

This is a sensible question, and I second it. I will probably continue to use ImgBurn due to faith in its author's work and the excellent support, but that doesn't mean I don't want to know what the known advantages are, if any, compared with Nero. ImgBurn gives a choice of position for the layer break on double layer discs and Nero doesn't, but I will probably always choose the position that's given the best score, so that isn't necessarily an advantage. For what it's worth, I have made 3 DL discs with Nero, of which one was a coaster. I can't report on the results with ImgBurn yet since I've only just discovered it.

I redid it using ImgBurn in build mode and it worked fine . Thanks for the info. Verbs are out the question due to cost unfortunately, but I'll know now to use them for more important discs. As some have seen, I made the ISO with DVD Shrink. I'd not used ImgBurn before, and didn't know it could work directly from files. One of the sticky threads was all about building ISOs with Shrink so I presumed that was the thing to do. Perhaps something like the guide lfcrule1972 linked to should be made sticky. The only bit in it that I didn't understand was the following: 'Whilst here, you can make sure your drive has bit setting set to DVD-ROM for Dual Layer media. (if your drive supports it)' I couldn't see any reference to this in the programme. What does this setting mean, and where do I find it? I'm still puzzled as to why it didn't work via Shrink, and why polopony says 'DVD Shrink does not work properly for setting the layer break', since ImgBurn seemed to think *it* had set the layer break.

I have just got the same error. It's the 1st time I've tried ImgBurn. I think the cause for me is not a disc fault as I have written to these discs with Nero without errors. I am using the latest official firmware in my Pioneer DVR-110. After it failed I tried the various Tools->Drive->Close options. As far as I can make out Tools->Drive->Close->Track never did anything, and currently the others say 'Incomplete Track in Session'. The verify, as you can see, succeeded, but the disc is not readable in my DVD player. Is there any way this disc can be revived? I 05:08:00 ImgBurn Version 2.1.0.0 started! I 05:08:00 Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional (5.0, Build 2195 : Service Pack 4) W 05:08:00 Drive C:\ (FAT) does not support single files > 4 GB I 05:08:00 Initialising SPTI... I 05:08:00 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 05:08:00 Found 1 CD-RW, 1 DVD-ROM, 1 DVD?RW and 1 DVD?RW/RAM! I 05:08:01 Operation Started! I 05:08:01 Source File: F:\temp\shrink.ISO I 05:08:01 Source File Sectors: 3,371,855 (MODE1/2048) I 05:08:01 Source File Size: 6,905,559,040 bytes I 05:08:01 Source File Volume Identifier: DISC I 05:08:01 Source File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink I 05:08:01 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02) I 05:08:01 Destination Device: [1:0:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-110 1.41 (X:) (ATA) I 05:08:01 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: CMC MAG-D01-00) (Speeds: 2.4x) I 05:08:01 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824 I 05:08:01 Write Mode: DVD I 05:08:01 Write Type: DAO I 05:08:01 Write Speed: MAX I 05:08:01 Link Size: Auto I 05:08:01 Test Mode: No I 05:08:01 BURN-Proof: Enabled I 05:54:41 Optimal L1 Data Zone Start LBA: 2026560 (VTS_02, PGC: 8, Cell: 26, Vob/Cell ID: 5/5, Time: 01:46:37, SPLIP: Yes -> No) I 05:54:41 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,026,560 I 05:54:41 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: IFO Cell Boundary I 05:55:10 Filling Buffer... I 05:55:11 Writing LeadIn... I 05:55:13 Writing Image... I 05:55:13 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2026559) I 06:16:22 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 2026560 - 3371854) I 06:30:40 Synchronising Cache... I 06:30:41 Closing Track... I 06:30:49 Finalising Disc... W 06:34:01 Potential 'WaitImmediateIO' Deferred Error - (1/2) - Positioning Error Detected by Read of Medium W 06:40:47 Potential 'WaitImmediateIO' Deferred Error - (1/2) - Positioning Error Detected by Read of Medium W 06:44:24 Potential 'WaitImmediateIO' Deferred Error - (1/2) - Positioning Error Detected by Read of Medium E 06:45:46 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Positioning Error Detected by Read of Medium I 06:45:46 Image MD5: b10486b7bc908c592ed4d8ef9d56bbe3 I 06:45:46 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 01:37:45 I 06:45:46 Average Write Rate: 3,170 KB/s (2.3x) - Maximum Write Rate: 3,516 KB/s (2.5x) I 06:45:46 Cycling Tray before Verify... I 06:46:18 Device Ready! I 06:46:18 Operation Started! I 06:46:18 Source Device: [1:0:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-110 1.41 (X:) (ATA) I 06:46:18 Source Media Type: DVD+R DL (Book Type: DVD+R DL) (Disc ID: CMC MAG-D01-00) (Speeds: 2.4x) I 06:46:18 Image File: F:\temp\shrink.ISO I 06:46:18 Image File Sectors: 3,371,855 (MODE1/2048) I 06:46:18 Image File Size: 6,905,559,040 bytes I 06:46:18 Image File Volume Identifier: DISC I 06:46:18 Image File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink I 06:46:18 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02) I 06:46:22 Verifying Sectors... I 07:21:02 Device MD5: b10486b7bc908c592ed4d8ef9d56bbe3 I 07:21:02 Device (Padded) MD5: 5d1c9663650719e76e623b93e3edd11d I 07:21:02 Image MD5: b10486b7bc908c592ed4d8ef9d56bbe3 I 07:21:02 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:34:44 I 07:21:02 Average Verify Rate: 3,242 KB/s (2.3x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 3,595 KB/s (2.6x)