I found the entry about using dvd decrypter, renaming files so dvdshrink uses it for backup. Don't have that one..have the fab one... anyway, I used dvdshrink to create an ISO and now using ImgBurn to write the dvd image....36% and going strong. Not sure why dvdshrink using Nero has a problem but hopefully this will give me an option. Any tip on how to use dvdshrink to invoke Imgburn without having dvd decrypter installed? Not sure I want to rename nero software.... I first used Fabdecrypter to create the hd copy...i hear dvddecrypter is a bit out of date now....