CainStar Posted October 1, 2017 Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) There is on option in the...well in the options, in the write tab, the allows you to set layer break manually, instead of auto calc. I set it to 10 000 000, because I learned from four previous attemps to burn bunch of files that, my discs quality(link related http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?/topic/24731-today-i-learned-about-cheap-media/) was bad. So all the 4 discs hit problems little bit after sector 11 000 000, so I was trying to be safe and set it to 10 000 000. So on the next burning try imgburn didn't "make" layer break at 10 000 000 instead continued to the auto.calc. sector. Did I do something wrong, why didn't imgburn make the layer break at 10 000 000? EDIT: And as I was writing this the verify process finished and gave me errors. Here is the complete log of the burning process. I 19:58:11 ImgBurn Version 2.5.8.0 started!I 19:58:11 Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Edition (6.1, Build 7601 : Service Pack 1)I 19:58:11 Total Physical Memory: 16 653 852 KiB - Available: 13 692 696 KiBI 19:58:11 Initialising SPTI...I 19:58:11 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...I 19:58:12 -> Drive 1 - Info: ASUS BW-12B1ST 1.03 (Y:) (ATAPI)I 19:58:12 Found 1 BD-RE!I 20:05:54 Operation Started!I 20:05:54 Building Image Tree...I 20:06:05 Corrected file system selection for Blu-ray Video disc.I 20:06:05 Corrected UDF revision selection for Blu-ray Video disc.I 20:06:05 Calculating Totals...I 20:06:05 Preparing Image...I 20:06:05 Contents: 1 121 Files, 19 FoldersI 20:06:05 Content Type: BD VideoI 20:06:05 Data Type: MODE1/2048I 20:06:05 File System(s): UDF (2.50)I 20:06:05 Volume Label: [Not Configured]I 20:06:05 Size: 46 973 420 847 bytesI 20:06:05 Sectors: 22 936 983I 20:06:05 Image Size: 46 980 661 248 bytesI 20:06:05 Image Sectors: 22 939 776I 20:06:05 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:11I 20:06:47 Operation Started!I 20:06:47 Building Image Tree...I 20:07:30 Calculating Totals...I 20:07:30 Preparing Image...I 20:07:30 Contents: 1 121 Files, 19 FoldersI 20:07:30 Content Type: BD VideoI 20:07:30 Data Type: MODE1/2048I 20:07:30 File System(s): UDF (2.50)I 20:07:30 Volume Label: The Fifth Element - RemasteredI 20:07:30 Size: 46 973 420 847 bytesI 20:07:30 Sectors: 22 936 983I 20:07:30 Image Size: 46 980 661 248 bytesI 20:07:30 Image Sectors: 22 939 776I 20:07:35 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:48I 20:07:35 Operation Started!I 20:07:35 Source File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-I 20:07:35 Source File Sectors: 22 939 776 (MODE1/2048)I 20:07:35 Source File Size: 46 980 661 248 bytesI 20:07:35 Source File Volume Identifier: The Fifth Element - RemasteredI 20:07:35 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 4B41A0D7015E0397I 20:07:35 Source File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0I 20:07:35 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurnI 20:07:35 Source File File System(s): UDF (2.50)I 20:07:35 Destination Device: [0:3:0] ASUS BW-12B1ST 1.03 (Y:) (ATAPI)I 20:07:35 Destination Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: VERBAT-IMf-000)I 20:07:35 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 4x; 6xI 20:07:35 Destination Media Sectors: 24 438 784I 20:07:35 Write Mode: BDI 20:07:35 Write Type: DAOI 20:07:35 Write Speed: MAXI 20:07:35 Hardware Defect Management Active: NoI 20:07:35 BD-R Verify Not Required: YesI 20:07:35 Link Size: AutoI 20:07:35 Lock Volume: YesI 20:07:35 Test Mode: YesI 20:07:35 OPC: NoI 20:07:35 BURN-Proof: EnabledI 20:07:35 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 26 970 KB/s (6x)I 20:08:33 Filling Buffer... (80 MiB)I 20:08:34 Writing LeadIn...I 20:08:35 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 22939775)I 20:08:35 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 22939775)I 20:08:35 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 12219391)W 20:38:09 Failed to Write Sectors 11343680 - 11343711 - Reason: Write ErrorW 20:38:09 Retrying (1 of 20)...W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For WriteW 20:38:13 Retrying (2 of 20)...W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For WriteW 20:38:13 Retrying (3 of 20)...W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For WriteW 20:38:13 Retrying (4 of 20)...W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For WriteW 20:38:13 Retrying (5 of 20)...W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For WriteW 20:38:13 Retrying (6 of 20)...W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For WriteW 20:38:13 Retrying (7 of 20)...W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For WriteW 20:38:13 Retrying (8 of 20)...W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For WriteW 20:38:13 Retrying (9 of 20)...W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For WriteW 20:38:13 Retrying (10 of 20)...W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For WriteW 20:38:13 Retrying (11 of 20)...W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For WriteW 20:38:13 Retrying (12 of 20)...W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For WriteW 20:38:13 Retrying (13 of 20)...W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For WriteW 20:38:13 Retrying (14 of 20)...W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For WriteW 20:38:13 Retrying (15 of 20)...W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For WriteW 20:38:13 Retrying (16 of 20)...W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For WriteW 20:38:13 Retrying (17 of 20)...W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For WriteW 20:38:13 Retrying (18 of 20)...W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For WriteW 20:38:13 Retrying (19 of 20)...W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For WriteW 20:38:13 Retrying (20 of 20)...W 20:38:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For WriteW 20:38:25 Retrying (21)...W 20:38:25 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For WriteE 20:38:26 Failed to Write Sectors 11343680 - 11343711 - Reason: Write ErrorE 20:38:26 Next Writable Address: 0I 20:38:27 Synchronising Cache...W 20:38:38 User opted to skip the 'Close Track/Session/Disc' functions.I 20:38:38 Cycling Tray after Test Write...E 20:38:44 Failed to Write Image!I 20:38:44 Exporting Graph Data...I 20:38:44 Graph Data File: C:\Users\CainStar\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\ASUS_BW-12B1ST_1.03_1-LOKAKUUTA-2017_20-07_VERBAT-IMf-000_MAX.ibgI 20:38:44 Export Successfully Completed!E 20:38:44 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:31:09I 20:38:44 Average Write Rate: 12 674 KiB/s (2.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 17 879 KiB/s (4.1x)I 20:48:24 Operation Started!I 20:48:24 Building Image Tree...I 20:49:06 Calculating Totals...I 20:49:06 Preparing Image...I 20:49:06 Contents: 1 121 Files, 19 FoldersI 20:49:06 Content Type: BD VideoI 20:49:06 Data Type: MODE1/2048I 20:49:06 File System(s): UDF (2.50)I 20:49:06 Volume Label: The Fifth ElementI 20:49:06 Size: 46 973 420 847 bytesI 20:49:06 Sectors: 22 936 983I 20:49:06 Image Size: 46 980 661 248 bytesI 20:49:06 Image Sectors: 22 939 776I 20:49:23 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:59I 20:49:23 Operation Started!I 20:49:23 Source File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-I 20:49:23 Source File Sectors: 22 939 776 (MODE1/2048)I 20:49:23 Source File Size: 46 980 661 248 bytesI 20:49:23 Source File Volume Identifier: The Fifth ElementI 20:49:23 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 4B41A60C015E0397I 20:49:23 Source File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0I 20:49:23 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurnI 20:49:23 Source File File System(s): UDF (2.50)I 20:49:23 Destination Device: [0:3:0] ASUS BW-12B1ST 1.03 (Y:) (ATAPI)I 20:49:23 Destination Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: VERBAT-IMf-000)I 20:49:23 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 4x; 6xI 20:49:23 Destination Media Sectors: 24 438 784I 20:49:23 Write Mode: BDI 20:49:23 Write Type: DAOI 20:49:23 Write Speed: MAXI 20:49:23 Hardware Defect Management Active: NoI 20:49:23 BD-R Verify Not Required: YesI 20:49:23 Link Size: AutoI 20:49:23 Lock Volume: YesI 20:49:23 Test Mode: NoI 20:49:23 OPC: NoI 20:49:23 BURN-Proof: EnabledI 20:49:23 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 26 970 KB/s (6x)I 20:50:20 Filling Buffer... (80 MiB)I 20:50:21 Writing LeadIn...I 20:50:22 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 22939775)I 20:50:22 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 22939775)I 20:50:22 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 12219391)I 21:07:36 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 12219392 - 22939775)I 21:21:59 Synchronising Cache...W 21:22:00 Potential 'WaitImmediateIO' Deferred Error - (0/3) - Write ErrorW 21:22:01 Synchronise Cache Failed! - Reason: Write ErrorW 21:22:01 Retrying (1 of 3)...I 21:22:03 Closing Track...I 21:22:04 Finalising Disc...I 21:22:20 Exporting Graph Data...I 21:22:20 Graph Data File: C:\Users\CainStar\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\ASUS_BW-12B1ST_1.03_1-LOKAKUUTA-2017_20-49_VERBAT-IMf-000_MAX.ibgI 21:22:20 Export Successfully Completed!I 21:22:20 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:32:56I 21:22:20 Average Write Rate: 24 198 KiB/s (5.5x) - Maximum Write Rate: 26 579 KiB/s (6.1x)I 21:22:20 Cycling Tray before Verify...W 21:22:27 Waiting for device to become ready...I 21:22:50 Device Ready!I 21:22:52 Operation Started!I 21:22:52 Source Device: [0:3:0] ASUS BW-12B1ST 1.03 (Y:) (ATAPI)I 21:22:52 Source Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: VERBAT-IMf-000)I 21:22:52 Source Media Supported Read Speeds: 1x; 2x; 4x; 6x; 8xI 21:22:52 Source Media Supported Write Speeds: 4x; 6xI 21:22:52 Source Media Sectors: 22 939 776I 21:22:52 Source Media Size: 46 980 661 248 bytesI 21:22:52 Image File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-I 21:22:52 Image File Sectors: 22 939 776 (MODE1/2048)I 21:22:52 Image File Size: 46 980 661 248 bytesI 21:22:52 Image File Volume Identifier: The Fifth ElementI 21:22:52 Image File Volume Set Identifier: 4B41A60C015E0397I 21:22:52 Image File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0I 21:22:52 Image File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurnI 21:22:52 Image File File System(s): UDF (2.50)I 21:22:52 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAXI 21:22:53 Read Speed - Effective: 3,2x - 8xI 21:22:53 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 22939775)I 21:22:53 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 22939775)I 21:22:53 Verifying Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 12219391)I 21:39:37 Verifying Layer 1... (LBA: 12219392 - 22939775)W 21:50:01 Failed to Read Sectors 21201248 - 21201279 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 21:50:08 Failed to Read Sector 21201249 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 21:50:08 Sector 21201249 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00364.m2tsW 21:50:11 Retrying (1)...W 21:50:13 Miscompare at LBA: 21201248, Offset: 0, File: \BDMV\STREAM\00364.m2tsW 21:50:13 Device: 0x33W 21:50:13 Image File: 0x51W 21:50:13 Total Errors in Sector: 2 039I 21:50:13 Verifying Sectors...W 21:50:19 Retry Failed - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 21:50:20 Retrying (2)...W 21:50:29 Retry Failed - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 21:50:30 Failed to Read Sector 21201249 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 21:50:31 Sector 21201249 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00364.m2tsW 21:50:39 Failed to Read Sector 21201250 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 21:50:39 Sector 21201250 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00364.m2tsE 21:50:40 Failed to Read Sector 21201250 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorE 21:50:40 Sector 21201250 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00364.m2tsE 21:50:41 Failed to Verify Sectors!I 21:50:42 Exporting Graph Data...I 21:50:42 Graph Data File: C:\Users\CainStar\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\ASUS_BW-12B1ST_1.03_1-LOKAKUUTA-2017_20-49_VERBAT-IMf-000_MAX.ibgI 21:50:42 Export Successfully Completed!E 21:50:42 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:27:48I 21:50:42 Average Verify Rate: 25 436 KiB/s (5.8x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 36 478 KiB/s (8.3x) Edited October 1, 2017 by CainStar
dbminter Posted October 1, 2017 Posted October 1, 2017 Your problem is probably the ASUS BW-12B1ST drive. It's junk, IMO. I had two of these, and the 2nd one went back to Amazon.com. I gave the drive a 2nd chance to see if it was just the one sample I got at first, but it's just junk. It does not write properly to DVD+RW and BD-RE DL media. Attempts to write to DVD+RW always fail and destroy the disc. They cannot be salvaged, even by formatting in a working drive. BD-RE DL worked a little bit better, writing a few times, before also destroying the discs. So, it doesn't write properly to rewritable media, thus I can't see it writing properly to BD-R DL. I would recommend a Pioneer drive. As I said in the other thread you quoted, it's the only drive I've found that works better than other drives. Even the Pioneer has problems. For instance, don't update to the latest firmware if you plan on writing to 8x Ritek DVD+RW. They borked the write strategy so they will always fail Verify, whereas the previous firmware did not. However, the only other issue with Pioneer I had was the eject button. It stops working the first time it's pressed after about 7 months. A 2nd press will work. Even ImgBurn Eject commands may fail the first time if manually executed. They seem to always work after a burn, though. Never understood that. So, Pioneer isn't perfect, but it seems to be the best of what's available out there.
CainStar Posted October 3, 2017 Author Posted October 3, 2017 Your problem is probably the ASUS BW-12B1ST drive. It's junk, IMO. I had two of these, and the 2nd one went back to Amazon.com. I gave the drive a 2nd chance to see if it was just the one sample I got at first, but it's just junk. It does not write properly to DVD+RW and BD-RE DL media. Attempts to write to DVD+RW always fail and destroy the disc. They cannot be salvaged, even by formatting in a working drive. BD-RE DL worked a little bit better, writing a few times, before also destroying the discs. So, it doesn't write properly to rewritable media, thus I can't see it writing properly to BD-R DL. I would recommend a Pioneer drive. As I said in the other thread you quoted, it's the only drive I've found that works better than other drives. Even the Pioneer has problems. For instance, don't update to the latest firmware if you plan on writing to 8x Ritek DVD+RW. They borked the write strategy so they will always fail Verify, whereas the previous firmware did not. However, the only other issue with Pioneer I had was the eject button. It stops working the first time it's pressed after about 7 months. A 2nd press will work. Even ImgBurn Eject commands may fail the first time if manually executed. They seem to always work after a burn, though. Never understood that. So, Pioneer isn't perfect, but it seems to be the best of what's available out there. Thanks for this too.
dbminter Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 ASUS did make a pretty good drive, at one time. They made the USB BD drive I still use. I don't think it's available anymore. It passed every single media read and write test I threw at it. So, I had high hopes for an ASUS internal when it came time to try and replace my Pioneer. BAD decision. That ASUS internal BD drive is, as I said, junk, I believe. If you're going for the Pioneer, be sure to test it thoroughly before your chance to return it expires. The last one I got I had to send back to Amazon.com immediately because, out of the box, writing to BD-R was borked on an exact same model, just older, I had of the same Pioneer. So, it's possibly Pioneer drive quality might have gone down. Or it could have just been a random fluke.
LIGHTNING UK! Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 Btw, the layer break stuff only applies to DVD media.
CainStar Posted October 3, 2017 Author Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) ASUS did make a pretty good drive, at one time. They made the USB BD drive I still use. I don't think it's available anymore. It passed every single media read and write test I threw at it. So, I had high hopes for an ASUS internal when it came time to try and replace my Pioneer. BAD decision. That ASUS internal BD drive is, as I said, junk, I believe. If you're going for the Pioneer, be sure to test it thoroughly before your chance to return it expires. The last one I got I had to send back to Amazon.com immediately because, out of the box, writing to BD-R was borked on an exact same model, just older, I had of the same Pioneer. So, it's possibly Pioneer drive quality might have gone down. Or it could have just been a random fluke. I actually ordered Pioneer BDR-2209 from amazon, so we will see how it goes. I usually do associate Pioneer with quality, atleast when it comes to audio playback etc. Btw, the layer break stuff only applies to DVD media. Oh ok. Could it be possible to add this option/feature for BD-R DL discs? Edited October 3, 2017 by CainStar
dbminter Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 I've had 4 BD-2209's. The last one was the one I told you I sent back to Amazon.com because it didn't write Verbatim BD-R's that the 2nd one was still writing to. It was what made me question Pioneer's quality, that it might be declining. Because my first ones are like 2 years old and still going and the 3rd one needed replacing after like 7 months. The only issues with the BD-2209 are the current firmware being borked with Ritek 8x DVD+RW and the eject button ones. However, the firmware one can be fixed with a tool you can download to force a regression of the firmware to the previous one. And the eject button will eventually eject on the second press. Pioneers are very good readers, too. I had 2 BD-2209's at one point, one for reading and one for writing. It's definitely a better reader than my other BD drive, the LG one I use for writing everything except BD-RE DL.
CainStar Posted October 4, 2017 Author Posted October 4, 2017 Pioneers are very good readers, too. I had 2 BD-2209's at one point, one for reading and one for writing. It's definitely a better reader than my other BD drive, the LG one I use for writing everything except BD-RE DL. Is there a manufacturer, or a burner, which is top quailty? I mean sure you might have bad luck, but it seems that all the current burners are just "hit-or-miss" kind of products. I mean burning discs isn't black magic......or is it?
dbminter Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 It really is a case of the best of the worst. If Pioneer quality really hasn't gone off of a cliff, then Pioneer is the best manufacturer of internal BD drives, with 2 issues. Asus made a good USB drive which they don't make anymore, so maybe they make a newer USB drive that's good. But, it's probably just the internal BD they make now in a USB enclosure, so it's no good. LG BD drives are good if you don't want to write to BD-RE DL or have a guaranteed readability of media. Back in the days of DVD burners, Optiarc was the best quality you could get. LiteOn also used to be good, but they had one fatal flaw in that they'd randomly add a pause to some VIDEO_TS discs that wasn't a layer break. Their one BD drive I had did it to 2 out of 3 VIDEO_TS discs before I gave up on it after it stopped writing to BD-RE after 3 months. And now LiteOn doesn't make BD drives, and I don't think they make DVD ones anymore, either. As for being black magic, well, it's not really THAT far off of an analogy. It depends on the magician. In this case, the manufacturer. It's not really in their best interest to make a quality product, since the optical media market is all but dead. And, all they care about is profit margin. So, quality doesn't really matter to them.
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