Tayo Yuden's Failing

[Tom Saurus]

I bought some Tayo Yuden 8x DVD+Rs and I have become accustomed to them almost always burning ad then verifying successfully. These are really good quality discs and they seem to have all the indicators engraved in the hub area that they geniune Tayo Yudens.

 

In most cases the DVD's are burning successfully but the verifying process reveals problems and doesn't complete. The company I bought them from is telling me that most likely it is a software or hardware issue on my end. This is getting me worried because I invested in these discs and I believed them to be just about the best on the market.

 

Here is a log:

 

I 17:05:53 ImgBurn Version 2.1.0.0 started!

I 17:05:53 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)

I 17:05:53 Initialising SPTI...

I 17:05:53 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 17:05:53 Found 1 DVD?RW!

I 17:06:01 Operation Started!

I 17:06:01 Source File: F:\Video Projects\Corrie DVD 90.iso

I 17:06:01 Source File Sectors: 1,929,472 (MODE1/2048)

I 17:06:01 Source File Size: 3,951,558,656 bytes

I 17:06:01 Source File Volume Identifier: CORRIE_DVD_90

I 17:06:01 Source File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.1.0.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!

I 17:06:01 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn

I 17:06:01 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 17:06:01 Destination Device: [1:0:0] _NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG 2.16 (D:) (ATA)

I 17:06:01 Destination Media Type: DVD+R (Disc ID: YUDEN000-T02-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x)

I 17:06:01 Destination Media Sectors: 2,295,104

I 17:06:01 Write Mode: DVD

I 17:06:01 Write Type: DAO

I 17:06:01 Write Speed: 4x

I 17:06:01 Link Size: Auto

I 17:06:01 Test Mode: No

I 17:06:01 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 17:06:01 Filling Buffer...

I 17:06:01 Writing LeadIn...

I 17:06:24 Writing Image...

I 17:18:03 Synchronising Cache...

I 17:18:04 Closing Track...

I 17:18:18 Finalising Disc...

I 17:18:33 Image MD5: 31617a85fe1e11d0385201d5eb2f6d07

I 17:18:34 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:12:32

I 17:18:34 Average Write Rate: 5,520 KB/s (4.0x) - Maximum Write Rate: 5,776 KB/s (4.2x)

I 17:18:34 Operation Started!

I 17:18:34 Source Device: [1:0:0] _NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG 2.16 (D:) (ATA)

I 17:18:34 Source Media Type: DVD+R (Book Type: DVD+R) (Disc ID: YUDEN000-T02-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x)

I 17:18:34 Image File: F:\Video Projects\Corrie DVD 90.iso

I 17:18:34 Image File Sectors: 1,929,472 (MODE1/2048)

I 17:18:34 Image File Size: 3,951,558,656 bytes

I 17:18:34 Image File Volume Identifier: CORRIE_DVD_90

I 17:18:34 Image File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.1.0.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!

I 17:18:34 Image File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn

I 17:18:34 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 17:18:34 Verifying Sectors...

W 17:24:13 Failed to read Sector 1879392 - No Seek Complete

W 17:24:13 Sector 1879392 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_04_1.VOB

E 17:24:21 Failed to read Sector 1879393 - No Seek Complete

E 17:24:21 Sector 1879393 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_04_1.VOB

E 17:24:21 Failed to Verify Sectors!

E 17:24:22 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:05:47

I 17:24:22 Average Verify Rate: 10,832 KB/s (7.8x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 20,445 KB/s (14.8x)

 

 

I use ImageBurn to build an ISO file, and I use it to burn the ISO file. I have some Maxell DVD's and they are burning and verifying to date successfully. I am used to the same with Tayo Yudens.

 

I have had computer problems lately. Apparently my computer is "Underclocking" by 33 percent. I had to get a new motherboard and the technician installed one that has an FSB of 533mhz and my cpu has a FSB of 800mhz. If I right click on my computer it states I have a P4 3.0ghz chip, running at 2.0 Ghz.

 

I usually do alot of other stuff while burning a DVD and I hope that isn't a possible cause for this. I am open to the possibility that my DVD burner is starting to fail. How can one tell if it is? Can anyone figure out anything from that log. I saved a log of a successful burn and verify; would it be a good idea to post it?

 

I hope someone can give me some advice on this situation. Thanks in advance for any information you can give me on this subject.

[cornholio7]

your firmware is quite old for that drive, try 2.1B from here

http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=1904

 

why did the tech. install a mb with the wrong fsb?

cant you get them to change it?

[polopony]

first thing to do is update your firmware the newest is 2.1B yours is old

[Tom Saurus]

cornholio7: I have given up on that technician. He apparently has 11 computers he is working on right now, so he has no time to fix mine. He also doesn't feel any obligation to fix the problem and he couldn't even explain to me what FSB was when I asked him about it. It is causing problems like my video capturing freezes at time, programs seems to be taking more resources when I look at the performance tab, when I press ctrl alt del. So two hundred bucks down the drain. Over at videohelp.com in the forum section "Computer", I have a topic there called "Computer Has Went Kuput" that details my computer problems. This has been very disappointing to me. I am trying out a different technician. I am hoping the

 

I know there is part of ImagBurn that guides one to the Firmware. Is it a very tricky process? I know if it goes wrong it means the end of one's DVD Burner. I think I got my computer in October of 2004.

 

Thank you polopony and cornholio7 for the information you have given me. I am kind of nervous about upgrading the firmware, but I should try.

[cornholio7]

its really very easy , just make sure there is no disc in the drive , do not power down in the middle of the process, just download 2.1B and run it, it explains on screen as it flashes

 

i wish you better luck with your new techie.

[Tom Saurus]

I downloaded the Firmware Update. I am burning a DVD right now. Thank you cornholio7 for hoping I have better luck with the new technician. You were right it wasn't that difficult to update the firmware. I hope this fixes the problem. I need to use these disc to back up stuff of my hard drives, because I think I will be getting Windows XP reinstalled when I get the new motherboard. Thank you once again.

 

Just out of curiousity, my Tayo Yuden are rated as 8x, but ImagBurn indicates that I can burn them right up to 16x, I wonder why it tells me that.

[cornholio7]

its what the drives firmware supports,

with my TYG02's i have many different supported speeds for the same disc

pioneer 111 = 12x

benq 1640 = 8x

plextor 716 = 16x

nec 3500 = 12x

all from a disc rated at 8x

i only burn them at 8x and get the best results at that speed

[Tom Saurus]

cornholio7: I usually burn at 4x because I always believed that it gave a better burn while burning at a slower speed. Unfortunatly I had failure. This disc wouldn't verify either. Here is the log:

 

I 18:18:07 ImgBurn Version 2.1.0.0 started!

I 18:18:07 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)

I 18:18:07 Initialising SPTI...

I 18:18:07 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 18:18:07 Found 1 DVD?RW!

I 18:18:23 Operation Started!

I 18:18:23 Source File: F:\Video Projects\Corrie DVD 90.iso

I 18:18:23 Source File Sectors: 1,929,472 (MODE1/2048)

I 18:18:23 Source File Size: 3,951,558,656 bytes

I 18:18:23 Source File Volume Identifier: CORRIE_DVD_90

I 18:18:23 Source File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.1.0.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!

I 18:18:23 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn

I 18:18:23 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 18:18:23 Destination Device: [1:0:0] _NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG 2.1B (D:) (ATA)

I 18:18:23 Destination Media Type: DVD+R (Disc ID: YUDEN000-T02-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x)

I 18:18:23 Destination Media Sectors: 2,295,104

I 18:18:23 Write Mode: DVD

I 18:18:23 Write Type: DAO

I 18:18:23 Write Speed: 4x

I 18:18:23 Link Size: Auto

I 18:18:23 Test Mode: No

I 18:18:23 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 18:18:24 Filling Buffer...

I 18:18:25 Writing LeadIn...

I 18:18:47 Writing Image...

I 18:30:28 Synchronising Cache...

I 18:30:29 Closing Track...

I 18:30:42 Finalising Disc...

I 18:30:57 Image MD5: 31617a85fe1e11d0385201d5eb2f6d07

I 18:30:58 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:12:34

I 18:30:58 Average Write Rate: 5,504 KB/s (4.0x) - Maximum Write Rate: 5,776 KB/s (4.2x)

I 18:30:58 Operation Started!

I 18:30:58 Source Device: [1:0:0] _NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG 2.1B (D:) (ATA)

I 18:30:58 Source Media Type: DVD+R (Book Type: DVD+R) (Disc ID: YUDEN000-T02-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x)

I 18:30:58 Image File: F:\Video Projects\Corrie DVD 90.iso

I 18:30:58 Image File Sectors: 1,929,472 (MODE1/2048)

I 18:30:58 Image File Size: 3,951,558,656 bytes

I 18:30:58 Image File Volume Identifier: CORRIE_DVD_90

I 18:30:58 Image File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.1.0.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!

I 18:30:58 Image File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn

I 18:30:58 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 18:30:58 Verifying Sectors...

E 18:32:30 Failed to read Sector 276096 - Unrecovered Read Error

E 18:32:30 Sector 276096 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB

E 18:32:30 Failed to Verify Sectors!

E 18:32:30 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:01:32

I 18:32:30 Average Verify Rate: 6,002 KB/s (4.3x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 11,416 KB/s (8.2x)

 

 

cornholio7: Thanks for the additional information you gave me. This is getting pretty discouraging.

[kevdriver]

Tom Saurus, Don't give up quite yet mate, The guys here are really good at troubleshooting.It sometimes just takes a bit before the problem is narrowed down and fixed.

 

 

 

On a long shot, Could you make sure you have " cycle tray before verify" checked off. Doing this allows the device buffers to empty and starts the verify off cleanly. Just a shot in the dark here, since your log didn't show the cycling tray to verify line command. Good Luck....

[Tom Saurus]

kendriver: I have now checked "cycle tray". I hope this works out soon. I just burned a disc at 8x and it failed again on the verify. I still have a couple of ritek dvd-r's, I think I might pop one in and see what happens. Thank you kendriver, for the information you have given me. It was kind of you take the time to respond to this topic.

[Tom Saurus]

The tray cycled this time, and it still failed. Here is the log:

 

I 19:00:27 ImgBurn Version 2.1.0.0 started!

I 19:00:27 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)

I 19:00:27 Initialising SPTI...

I 19:00:27 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 19:00:27 Found 1 DVD?RW!

I 19:02:38 Operation Started!

I 19:02:38 Source File: F:\Video Projects\Corrie DVD 90.iso

I 19:02:38 Source File Sectors: 1,929,472 (MODE1/2048)

I 19:02:38 Source File Size: 3,951,558,656 bytes

I 19:02:38 Source File Volume Identifier: CORRIE_DVD_90

I 19:02:38 Source File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.1.0.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!

I 19:02:38 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn

I 19:02:38 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 19:02:38 Destination Device: [1:0:0] _NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG 2.1B (D:) (ATA)

I 19:02:38 Destination Media Type: DVD+R (Disc ID: YUDEN000-T02-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x)

I 19:02:38 Destination Media Sectors: 2,295,104

I 19:02:38 Write Mode: DVD

I 19:02:38 Write Type: DAO

I 19:02:38 Write Speed: 8x

I 19:02:38 Link Size: Auto

I 19:02:38 Test Mode: No

I 19:02:38 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 19:02:39 Filling Buffer...

I 19:02:39 Writing LeadIn...

I 19:03:01 Writing Image...

I 19:10:59 Synchronising Cache...

I 19:11:00 Closing Track...

I 19:11:13 Finalising Disc...

I 19:11:26 Image MD5: 31617a85fe1e11d0385201d5eb2f6d07

I 19:11:26 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:08:47

I 19:11:26 Average Write Rate: 8,090 KB/s (5.8x) - Maximum Write Rate: 11,552 KB/s (8.3x)

I 19:11:26 Cycling Tray before Verify...

I 19:11:43 Device Ready!

I 19:11:43 Operation Started!

I 19:11:43 Source Device: [1:0:0] _NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG 2.1B (D:) (ATA)

I 19:11:43 Source Media Type: DVD+R (Book Type: DVD+R) (Disc ID: YUDEN000-T02-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x)

I 19:11:43 Image File: F:\Video Projects\Corrie DVD 90.iso

I 19:11:43 Image File Sectors: 1,929,472 (MODE1/2048)

I 19:11:43 Image File Size: 3,951,558,656 bytes

I 19:11:43 Image File Volume Identifier: CORRIE_DVD_90

I 19:11:43 Image File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.1.0.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!

I 19:11:43 Image File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn

I 19:11:43 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 19:11:44 Verifying Sectors...

E 19:13:02 Failed to read Sector 277472 - Unrecovered Read Error

E 19:13:02 Sector 277472 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB

E 19:13:02 Failed to Verify Sectors!

E 19:13:02 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:01:18

I 19:13:02 Average Verify Rate: 7,114 KB/s (5.1x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 11,474 KB/s (8.3x)

 

I am now going to try the inferior Ritek G05's and see what happens.

[spinningwheel]

Tom;

 

Have you tried to play the disc? I have many fail verify and they play fine. The stand-alone players use a very forgiving system and try to fill in when they catch a miniscule error that computer drives can't allow due to their reliance on your system logic.

[Tom Saurus]

spinningwheel: Thank you for your input on this matter. I am sure they would play. I guess I am just being a little nuts. I like archiving stuff, and these discs are of episodes I capture of Coronation Street, I probably will only watch them very rarely. I started recording it, because alot of the older characters are leaving the show, and I wanted something to remember them by.

 

I just put in a disc called "OSI" and I am certain it is Tayo Yuden fake, and it burned and verified. I am really wondering if the world has gone topsy turvy or if it is possible for Tayo Yuden to produce a bad batch of discs.

 

I am confused about all this.

[kevdriver]

Hey Tom, Yea, you could have a bad batch of Yudens, although they are the cadillac of media so to speak. Maybe that particular burner just doesn't like the dye on them so can't read back what it just burn't...... at least getting a good burn and verify shows you your system is at least working properly. Sorry I couldn't have been of more help mate.........

[Tom Saurus]

kendriver: I just burned one of my Tayo Yudens and this time I had success. I put a head cleaner through to clean the lens on the DVD Burner. Maybe that helped. When I first started using this batch of Tayo Yudens I had success with them. Then I started getting more and more failures. So maybe there is some bad ones in this bunch. I am going to order Verbatim next time and see what happens or one of each. Just so that not all my eggs are not in one basket. I know one thing for sure the company I bought them from, won't even entertain the possibility that a bad batch of Tayo Yuden's is possible. Also this time when I burned I was doing anything else while it was burning. I hope that atleast most of the rest work out. My last batch of Tayo Yudens was very successful. Atleast 95 out of a hundred turned out. Thanks for the additional information and the kind thoughts.

[kevdriver]

Glad it worked out for you Tom

[Tom Saurus]

Update: I burned one successfully this morning. The next one failed. I am getting a little depressed over this. I really can't tell if it is a software/hardware computer problem or if its the media. I don't think I have any hope of a refund, if it does turn out to be a media, because it is very unlikly anything could possibly be wrong with the quality of Tayo Yuden. I payed a premium price for these discs for their quality. When one believes they have a quality media this engenders a confidence that the discs are going to turn out.

 

Now some did fail during the burning stage. I even had a power calibration error last night at one point. But most are burning successfully and then failing in the verify stage of the process. The one that failed this morning had a dark blue circle towards the inner hub. I don't know what this means, but usually when I have failed discs I see something like that stands out significantly. Sometimes it is a little pimple like circle, but that is very rare.

 

Any additional advice is appreciated. Also thank you for the information I have already received on this topic.

[LIGHTNING UK!]

You're probably best off just buying a new drive, they're pretty cheap now.

 

Otherwise you'll only end up wasting loads of time on this and loads of discs in the process.

 

Of course if you have access to another drive somewhere, just try one of your TY's in that and see if it dies too. You could also try your drive in another PC. It's up to you how much time you spend trying to diagnose the true problem!

[Tom Saurus]

LIGHTNING UK!: Due to the confidence I have in the Tayo Yuden Media and the fact that I have probably about 75 dollars worth of Tayo Yudens left, I will look into getting another DVD burner. I will probably get another Nec Brand DVD Burner, unless there is something better out there. Maybe this is a way to test out this new technician I am planning on hiring to build my new computer.

 

Maybe I can get him to download ImagBurn to his computer and bring up a disc that did work out correctly and extract the video ts and audio ts and drag it temporarily to his hard drive, use the build mode and then create an ISO image and then burn it with his DVD burner if he has one at his shop and see what happens.

 

Also I have alot of confidence in ImagBurn. I just learned this week how to make a data dvd through the build feature in ImagBurn. It is brilliant software.

 

One question if one wants to donate money at some point in the future, to show appreciation for all the hard work that went into creating ImgBurn is there a way a person can send a money order somewhere. I am asking this question, because I don't want to get involved with Paypal, and I don't have a Credit Card.

 

What will I do if the Tayo Yuden's fail to verify in the tech's burner too? Will I assume my DVD Burner was probably all right and then entertain the possiblity that perhaps it is possible that sometimes a bad batch leaves the factory. Or is the premises that it is virtually impossible this could happen.

 

Thank you for creating this program.

[polopony]

just an observation you burned OK after using the lens cleaner maybe you could try using it again and if you have a can of dry compressed air blow out the inside of the drive .I have the same burner and its been great loads of burns on it the power calibration error is the drive not being able to set the laser power to burn to a blank . Its a process of elimination to find out whats wrong drive or media ,TY's have been counterfieted, if you could get a hold of some Verbs and try with them it might help Best Buy usually had 25 for around $10 Office Depot carries them but you have to hunt around they aren't always with the rest of the media . Like LUK says drives are dirt cheap these days if you do get another NEC beware of the 18X drive its not a true NEC but a drive that was built in a joint deal with Sony

[Tom Saurus]

polopony: I had some more success yesterday with the Tayo Yudens. I burned one using DVD Decrypter and it burned and verified. Then I went back to ImagBurn and had some successful burns and verifies. I also burned some data using ImgBurn on a HP CD-R and it turned out successfully. I also asked God for help on this. I am ashamed I prayed about something so small and insignificant in the big scheme of things.

 

I entertained the thought that ImgBurn decided to work right for me, because it saw how easily I cheated on it and had a sordid affair with DVD Decrypter. Well maybe not affair, just a quick stroll down memory lane and a peck on the cheek. How fickle and deluded can one man be? Though I am told we all are entitled to a flight of fancy once in awhile.

 

Somehow when the technician took out my MSI board and put in the PC Chips Motherboard, he didn't have to reinstall Windows XP Pro. It just seemed to accept what was already there. Though I wonder if some of these problems lie with that. Also the MSI motherboard had the FSB of 800mhz and an Intel Chipset. The PC Chips motherboard doesn't have an intel chipset and is 533mhz.

 

Thanks to everyone for the advice and hopefully the Tayo Yudens will keep on working for me. I have alot of stuff to back up. I trying to get prepared for the installation of a better quality motherboard and I have to prepare for a re-install of Wiidows XP Pro and have to get tons of stuff of the C Drive. Once again; thanks.

[dontasciime]

not the smartest of technicians then.

 

Reinstall a clean xp and the chipset drivers for your motherboard and that will rule out if your drive is faulty the disc's etc

[lfcrule1972]

"Technician" seems a term not well placed here....

[Tom Saurus]

Update: I am getting a new burner soon. But I thought I would mention that if I restart my computer just prior to burning a dvd, I am having alot of success with the Taiyo Yudens. I don't understand why, but the discs are burning and verify successfully, if I restart the computer just before burning.

[lfcrule1972]

Did you do the fresh install of XP as suggested above ?