DrunkenMaster Posted November 23, 2006 Posted November 23, 2006 (edited) Hi everyone, My setup is as follows OS: WinXP (No updates) Processor: Pentium4 1.7GH RAM: 768MB SDRAM HDD: 130GB Seagate Barracuda (Primary Master) DMA5 DVDWriter: Plextor PX-755A (1.06 Latest Firmware) (Secondary Master) DMA4 When I first got my drive (Firmware 1.05) I was burning perfectly with TDK 16x DVD-R discs, must have burnt about 100 films. Then all of a sudden the writing speed started to drop halfway through to 0.0x and stalled the entire computer. When this happend it always needed a re-start to get anything going again. This kept happening on random burns. Then after re-installing win xp, this changed to write failures on about half the discs I used. I tried a few Taiyo Yuden unbranded 16x DVD-R and I still got a good few Failed To Write sector ??? errors. I've been using Sony 8x DVD-R (SONY08D1) recently and the problem still continues. Now before every burn I disable the internet and close everything, defrag and delete all temp files. I never touch the comp when burning too. Occassionally I uninstall the drive from the OS and re-boot allowing it to find it again. Though I still get many Write Failures that seem very arbitrary and I can't figure out what it is. Also note that NERO never failed a single burn no matter what I had going or what disc I used. I have just today, bought some new Sony 16x DVD-R discs (SONY16D1) Made in Taiwan and updated my firmware to 1.06 from official Plextor Site. ...and now, I am having a new problem. The log will follow, but note that now, the second buffer peaks at 90% and flickers around 84% to 90% and before the Firmware update and disc change, it used to peak at about 100% and flicker close by. This is with no programs going and about 6 Critical Services running in background that can't be stopped. Fresh defrag and 90GB free on hdd still. Oh yeah I always burn at either 4x or 6x. I 11:25:02 ImgBurn Version 2.1.0.0 started! I 11:25:02 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) I 11:25:02 Initialising SPTI... I 11:25:02 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 11:25:02 Found 1 DVD?RW! I 11:25:02 Operation Started! I 11:25:02 Source File: C:\Documents and Settings\My Documents\My Films\THE_MILLIONAIRES_EXPRESS.ISO I 11:25:02 Source File Sectors: 2,285,845 (MODE1/2048) I 11:25:02 Source File Size: 4,681,410,560 bytes I 11:25:02 Source File Volume Identifier: THE_MILLIONAIRES_EXPRESS I 11:25:02 Source File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink I 11:25:02 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02) I 11:25:02 Destination Device: [1:0:0] PLEXTOR DVDR PX-755A 1.06 (E:) (ATAPI) I 11:25:02 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: SONY16D1) (Speeds: 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x) I 11:25:02 Destination Media Sectors: 2,297,888 I 11:25:02 Write Mode: DVD I 11:25:02 Write Type: DAO I 11:25:02 Write Speed: 6x I 11:25:02 Link Size: Auto I 11:25:02 Test Mode: No I 11:25:02 BURN-Proof: Enabled I 11:25:03 Filling Buffer... I 11:25:03 Writing LeadIn... I 11:25:37 Writing Image... W 11:27:50 Failed to Write Sectors 536064 - 536095 - Power On, Reset, or Bus Device Reset Occurred W 11:27:50 Retrying (1 of 20)... I 11:27:50 Writing Image... W 11:29:23 Failed to Write Sectors 903264 - 903295 - Power On, Reset, or Bus Device Reset Occurred W 11:29:23 Retrying (1 of 20)... I 11:29:23 Writing Image... I 11:35:10 Synchronising Cache... I 11:35:25 Image MD5: 5e342df3b264667ac4e37460a7eca935 I 11:35:25 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:10:23 I 11:35:25 Average Write Rate: 7,992 KB/s (5.8x) - Maximum Write Rate: 8,375 KB/s (6.0x) The actuall disc burnt and I varified it after and it was fine, though I need to know what all the problems I keep having are down to. I will try a Tiayo Yuden 16X DVD_R with my new Firmware and report back what happens. Until then, any ideas what is going on with it all? Many thanks. Jo Edited January 3, 2007 by DrunkenMaster
polopony Posted November 23, 2006 Posted November 23, 2006 those Sonys get very mixed reviews and drives seem to be picky as to whether they are compatible ,if the Yudens are hard to get then Verbatims are excellent and you can find them in stores
LIGHTNING UK! Posted November 23, 2006 Posted November 23, 2006 The errors are just what your drive reports, I can't do anything about them. Very rarely do I see a drive showing as '(ATAPI)', you might want to check your motherboard / ide drivers. 99% of the time it says '(ATA)'. If it's on a 3rd party controller card the drive would show up as '(SCSI)'. God knows what makes it show up as '(ATAPI)' - but it's certainly not 'normal'.
DrunkenMaster Posted November 23, 2006 Author Posted November 23, 2006 (edited) Hi, ATAPI? My motherboard is genuine Intel (D845HV) with primary and secondary ide channels, I have the latest bios and chipset drivers (though they are old as support for this motherboads has stopped). They are just left as is after installing OS and the intel drivers, so I don't think it's anything I've changed. Intel Application Accelerator reports the following. Intel? Application Accelerator, 2.3.0.2160 23 November 2006 17:12:19 (Local) 23 November 2006 17:12:19 (GMT) Operating System Windows XP (Build 5.1.2600) Platform Information Processor Type: Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor Processor level: Family 15 Processor Revision: Model 0 Stepping 0 Active Processor Mask: 1 Number of Processors: 1 Controller Information IDE Controller: Intel? 82801BA Ultra ATA Controller, ICH2 Storage Kit Build(s): 2.3.0.2164, Storage Kit Installed: 2.3.0.2164 Driver Build: Intel Application Accelerator Driver Driver Version: 2.3.0.2160 IDE Controller Tri-State: IDE Controller enabled PIO Mode Support: 0 - 2 - 3 - 4 DMA SW Mode Support: 2 DMA MW Mode Support: 1 - 2 UDMA Mode Support: 0 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 Disk Timeout Value: Default CDROM Timeout Value: Default CD Audio Timeout Value: Default UDMA on 80 conductor cable only: Default, Disabled Flush Enable: Default, Disabled Ping Pong Enable: Enabled Channel Information Primary Channel No Data Secondary Channel No Data Device Information Primary Master: ST3200820A Model: ST3200820A Firmware: 3.AAC Device Type: ATA - Fixed PIO Mode Support: 0 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 DMA SW Mode Support: No Support DMA MW Mode Support: 0 - 1 - 2 UDMA Mode Support: 0 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 LBA (28-bit maximum): 0x0FFFFFFF LBA (48-bit maximum): 0x00001749F1B1 CHS: 3FFF x 0010 x 003F CHS Sectors: 0x00FBFC10 Disk Size (28-bit maximum): 128.0 GB (137,438,952,960 bytes) Disk Size: 186 GB (200,049,648,128 bytes) Default Transfer Mode: UDMA-5 Current Transfer Mode: UDMA-5 Transfer Mode Limit: No Limit Cable Type (Device): 80 Conductor Cable Type (Host): 80 Conductor PIO PPE: Enabled UDMA Control Register: Ultra DMA Mode Enabled UDMA Timing Register: CT = 3 CLK / RP = 16 CLK Base Clock: Ultra DMA 100 Timings Auto-Acoustic Management: Feature not supported by device. Dynamic APM on AC: Feature not supported by device. Dynamic APM on Battery: Feature not supported by device. Primary Slave: MAXTOR 4K040H2 Model: MAXTOR 4K040H2 Firmware: A08.1500 Device Type: ATA - Fixed PIO Mode Support: 0 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 DMA SW Mode Support: No Support DMA MW Mode Support: 0 - 1 - 2 UDMA Mode Support: 0 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 LBA (28-bit maximum): 0x04A937DE LBA (48-bit maximum): 0x000004A937DE CHS: 3FFF x 0010 x 003F CHS Sectors: 0x00FBFC10 Disk Size (28-bit maximum): 37.3 GB (40,037,760,000 bytes) Disk Size: 37 GB (40,037,760,000 bytes) Default Transfer Mode: UDMA-5 Current Transfer Mode: UDMA-5 Transfer Mode Limit: No Limit Cable Type (Device): 80 Conductor Cable Type (Host): 80 Conductor PIO PPE: Enabled UDMA Control Register: Ultra DMA Mode Enabled UDMA Timing Register: CT = 3 CLK / RP = 16 CLK Base Clock: Ultra DMA 100 Timings Auto-Acoustic Management: Maximum Performance Dynamic APM on AC: Feature not supported by device. Dynamic APM on Battery: Feature not supported by device. Secondary Master: PLEXTOR DVDR PX-755A Model: PLEXTOR DVDR PX-755A Firmware: 1.06 Device Type: ATAPI - Removable - CDROM PIO Mode Support: 0 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 DMA SW Mode Support: No Support DMA MW Mode Support: 0 - 1 - 2 UDMA Mode Support: 0 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 Default Transfer Mode: UDMA-4 Current Transfer Mode: UDMA-4 Transfer Mode Limit: No Limit Cable Type (Device): 80 Conductor Cable Type (Host): 80 Conductor PIO PPE: Enabled UDMA Control Register: Ultra DMA Mode Enabled UDMA Timing Register: CT = 2 CLK / RP = 8 CLK Base Clock: Ultra DMA 66 Timings Auto-Acoustic Management: Feature not supported by device. Dynamic APM on AC: Feature not supported by device. Dynamic APM on Battery: Feature not supported by device. PLEXTOOLS PROFESSIONAL REPORTS THE FOLLOWING ------------------------------------------------------- PlexTools Professional V2.30 System Information Copyright ? 1999-2005 Plextor SA/NV 23 November 2006 ------------------------------------------------------- Software information -------------------- Operating system: Windows XP V5.01.2600 ASPI Manager: n/a Description : n/a Hardware Information -------------------- IDE Interface 0 ID: - Maximum # Targets: - Description: Type : Port Driver: IdeChnDr.sys Provider : Description: Intel Application Accelerator Driver (Intel Corporation) Location : C:\WINDOWS\System32\drivers\IdeChnDr.sys Version : 2.3.0.2160, 10/01/2002 Date : ID 0: ST320082 0A V3.AA ID 1: MAXTOR 4 K040H2 VA08. IDE Interface 1 ID: - Maximum # Targets: - Description: Secondary IDE Channel Type : IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers Port Driver: IdeChnDr.sys Provider : Description: Intel Application Accelerator Driver (Intel Corporation) Location : C:\WINDOWS\System32\drivers\IdeChnDr.sys Version : 2.3.0.2160, 10/01/2002 Date : ID 0:(E:) PLEXTOR DVDR PX-755A V1.06 (S/N:144693) (0.17.28A - 29.17.40D) Read speed: 2X CLV, Jumper settings: 001, Buffer Underrun Proof enabled THE_MILLIONAIRES_EXPRESS DVD-R, 4464 MB (THE_MILLIONAIRES_EXPRESS), 1 session(s), 1 track(s), 507:58.08 Auto Insert Notification: yes, DMA: yes GigaRec Rate: Normal SecuRec: disc is not protected NERO INFO TOOL REPORTS THE FOLLOWING Nero InfoTool 4.1.0.8 Interface Information --------------------- Adapter 1 --------- Description : Primary IDE Channel Driver Description : System32\DRIVERS\IdeChnDr.sys Company : Intel Corporation Version : 2.3.0.2160, 10/01/2002 Description : Intel Application Accelerator Driver Attached Devices Description : Master: ST3200820A Type : Disk Drive DMA : On Description : Slave: MAXTOR 4K040H2 Type : Disk Drive DMA : Off Adapter 2 --------- Description : Secondary IDE Channel Driver Description : System32\DRIVERS\IdeChnDr.sys Company : Intel Corporation Version : 2.3.0.2160, 10/01/2002 Description : Intel Application Accelerator Driver Attached Devices Description : Master: PLEXTOR DVDR PX-755A Type : CD-Rom Drive DMA : On Autorun : On ASPI Information ---------------- System ASPI : ASPI installation is corrupted WNASPI32.DLL : 4.71 (0002) 45056 bytes (null) ASPI32.SYS : 4.71 (0002) built by: WinDDK 16512 bytes (null) WINASPI.DLL : 4.60 (1021) 5600 bytes (null) WOWPOST.EXE : 4.60 (1021) 4672 bytes (null) Nero ASPI : ASPI is not installed Anyone know what the corrupted ASPI layer is all about? I hope someone can take a look at these three reports and tell me if anything is a miss. Also I tested another Taiyo Yuden disc and it burned perfect though I don't know if this is one of the times when it works as I don't want to waste all my discs on loads of tests. Though at 6x it did fluctuate down to 5.4x occasionally, is this normal. Many thanks Edited November 23, 2006 by DrunkenMaster
Kenadjian Posted November 23, 2006 Posted November 23, 2006 It all looks pretty normal to me, I'd start by checking the PSU. How old is this machine? Oh, I wouldn't worry about that ASPI thing. Do you have Nero installed?
DrunkenMaster Posted November 23, 2006 Author Posted November 23, 2006 Computer was top speck in 2001 PSU was replaced in 2003 with a 350wat silent one so it's upto the job. Think maybe I need another case fan at front, but I don't think it would be an overheating issue anyway. I think maybe I just have a touchy drive. Gonna install a correct aspi layer just for the sake. Will install Nero too, as I haven't yet on this fresh install of XP. I have just burnt 3 SONY16D1 discs with no problem, maybe the new firmware did the trick, though it's done this many times, worked on a good run then just given up. Will report back.
LIGHTNING UK! Posted November 24, 2006 Posted November 24, 2006 I probably wouldn't have bothered installing the 'Intel Application Accelerator Driver'. There's been a long standing issue with it doing weird things. The standard Microsoft drivers are fine. Looks like you've got a mixture of 'ForceASPI' and Adaptecs real ASPI installed there. Again, I wouldn't have bothered. No modern software uses ASPI (MS did away with it from the base install of the OS for a reason!) and any that do still require it can use something like FrogASPI - which is an SPTI wrapper (or Nero's WNASPI32.DLL which I believe does the same thing).
DrunkenMaster Posted November 24, 2006 Author Posted November 24, 2006 (edited) Hi, I've uninstalled 'Intel Application Accelerator' and now ImgBurn shows my drive as ATA. Also removed all aspi layers. I burned two successful Taiyo Yuden discs, though the first one showed a single write failure but carried on after to complete the write successfully and it varified. I 14:25:45 Writing Image... W 14:27:54 Failed to Write Sectors 521056 - 521087 - Power On, Reset, or Bus Device Reset Occurred W 14:27:54 Retrying (1 of 20)... I 14:27:54 Writing Image... Do you have any idea what is causing the single write failure? is this disc as good as if the write fail had never happened? Here's the log of my second burn. I 16:48:07 ImgBurn Version 2.1.0.0 started! I 16:48:07 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) I 16:48:07 Initialising SPTI... I 16:48:07 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 16:48:08 Found 1 DVD?RW! I 16:49:05 Operation Started! I 16:49:05 Source File: C:\Documents and Settings\My Documents\My Films\LAST_LIFE_IN_THE_UNIVERSE.ISO I 16:49:05 Source File Sectors: 2,285,882 (MODE1/2048) I 16:49:05 Source File Size: 4,681,486,336 bytes I 16:49:05 Source File Volume Identifier: LAST_LIFE_IN_THE_UNIVERSE I 16:49:05 Source File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink I 16:49:05 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02) I 16:49:05 Destination Device: [1:0:0] PLEXTOR DVDR PX-755A 1.06 (E:) (ATA) I 16:49:05 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: TYG03) (Speeds: 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x) I 16:49:05 Destination Media Sectors: 2,297,888 I 16:49:05 Write Mode: DVD I 16:49:05 Write Type: DAO I 16:49:05 Write Speed: 6x I 16:49:05 Link Size: Auto I 16:49:05 Test Mode: No I 16:49:05 BURN-Proof: Enabled I 16:49:06 Filling Buffer... I 16:49:06 Writing LeadIn... I 16:49:38 Writing Image... I 16:59:07 Synchronising Cache... I 16:59:22 Image MD5: d7a84da016abfae7b8047730a2c78247 I 16:59:22 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:10:17 I 16:59:22 Average Write Rate: 8,048 KB/s (5.8x) - Maximum Write Rate: 8,451 KB/s (6.1x) I 16:59:22 Cycling Tray before Verify... I 16:59:46 Device Ready! I 16:59:48 Operation Started! I 16:59:48 Source Device: [1:0:0] PLEXTOR DVDR PX-755A 1.06 (E:) (ATA) I 16:59:48 Source Media Type: DVD-R (Book Type: DVD-R) (Disc ID: TYG03) (Speeds: 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x) I 16:59:48 Image File: C:\Documents and Settings\My Documents\My Films\LAST_LIFE_IN_THE_UNIVERSE.ISO I 16:59:48 Image File Sectors: 2,285,882 (MODE1/2048) I 16:59:48 Image File Size: 4,681,486,336 bytes I 16:59:48 Image File Volume Identifier: LAST_LIFE_IN_THE_UNIVERSE I 16:59:48 Image File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink I 16:59:48 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02) I 16:59:48 Verifying Sectors... I 17:06:23 Image MD5: d7a84da016abfae7b8047730a2c78247 I 17:06:24 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:06:35 I 17:06:24 Average Verify Rate: 11,574 KB/s (8.4x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 16,771 KB/s (12.1x) Many thanks, Jo Edited January 3, 2007 by DrunkenMaster
LIGHTNING UK! Posted November 24, 2006 Posted November 24, 2006 Power on / bus resets are never a good thing. The disc verified ok though so I doubt there's any problem with it. Visit www.bustrace.com and find the filter driver load order 'free' utility on the site. Run it, select your plextor drive and then copy + paste what it say for filter drivers loaded on your PC. Maybe there's another old one that's messing things up.
DrunkenMaster Posted November 24, 2006 Author Posted November 24, 2006 OK, done. You got an idea what it means. Thanks ---------------------------------------------------- Filter Driver Load Order http://www.bustrace.com ---------------------------------------------------- Upper Device Filter: redbook Device Object: PLEXTOR DVDR PX-755A Lower Device Filter: imapi Driver Name: redbook.sys File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers File Description: Redbook Audio Filter Driver File Version: 5.1.2600.0 (XPClient.010817-1148) [5.1.2600.0] Product Name: Microsoft? Windows? Operating System Product Version: 5.1.2600.0 [5.1.2600.0] Company Name: Microsoft Corporation Driver Name: imapi.sys File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers File Description: IMAPI Kernel Driver File Version: 5.1.2600.0 (XPClient.010817-1148) [5.1.2600.0] Product Name: Microsoft? Windows? Operating System Product Version: 5.1.2600.0 [5.1.2600.0] Company Name: Microsoft Corporation
LIGHTNING UK! Posted November 24, 2006 Posted November 24, 2006 lol is that it?! It doesn't look like you've ever installed anything! Oh well, back to the drawing board.
DrunkenMaster Posted November 27, 2006 Author Posted November 27, 2006 Well, just reporting back on a closed case. I have since updated my OS to WinXP ServicePack2, I've only ever had a clean install of WinXP before because I could never find a patch for SP2 (but I finaly did)... anyway! I also baught and found a good supplier for future purchases of 16x DVD-R Verbatim (YaiyoYuden) discs and my first batch came. On a clean install of everything (XP, XP SP2, ALL MY PROGS', LATEST DRIVE FIRMWARE etc), my burns are now successful. Though I'm still not 100% sure what was causing all my troubles, whilst I wasn't using the best media, it certainly wasn't the worst, so should have still burned. Was it because I never updated XP? do the service packs have better support for my drive? well, it works now anyway. Just a quick question now, when burning at 6x, is it normal for (TY) Verbatims to occassionaly drop to about 5.3x ? also, my device buffer jumps around 90% to and from 94% and 87%, I'm sure this is fine though I just want to see if anyone can confirm this for me. Thanks
LIGHTNING UK! Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 The updates probably fixed lots of things. Service packs (especially number SP2) change loads of stuff and update loads of system files. Any one of those files in the I/O chain could have been causing an issue, just be thankful it works ok now. The error you were getting should not have been drive related at all, it was a driver in the system causing a timeout to occur before it was supposed to, that then caused a bus reset. Not all drives keep the buffer at 100% all the time, it varies from drive to drive. A lot of drives also perform checks during the burn to see what the burn quality is like. These checks cause the (averaged) write speed to drop - because it's not burning during these times. So basically, don't worry
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