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If I'm bored somewhen in the next days I will perform: 1) Ritek 50 GB slow 4 x on WH 16NS60 2) Same on Pioneer 212 3) 1 with spare 4) 2 with spare Just to show you. Can I ask for a donation to waste 4 discs? Just kidding. I want to convince you.

Same here.

I am old enough to remember magneto-optical discs and things called Bernoulis, so it seems we're roughly the same age. And I'm really dating myself here. I am old enough to have saved BASIC programs on audio cassettes.

Do you remember VGACopy to increase storage capacities on floppys? If no, don't age-challenge me anymore.

Yes, you are not following logic. LDC / BIS scans show what the drive needs to correct with the data it reads. The raw data includes error correction information and that is exactly what VPTools and qxptools show. How much the drive needs to correct the information it reads from the disc. So everything else is just guessing. Now regarding age I'm pretty sure my experience is very similar. Starting with CloneCD, DVD2One, IFOEdit, DVDDecrypter. You name it.

Fine, you want replies. Get ready for them. I've no idea how old you are, but I have probably been following Mill's methods of observation longer than you've been alive. I set my rationale around the scientific method and have been doing such probably since 1990. So, to say I don't follow logic, you have no idea. I think, though I'm not sure, the last Pioneer was the 213. I tested all 213 firmware releases. 213 was the first Pioneer in almost 15 years to properly write to 8x DVD+RW. The previous firmware update did not bork 8x DVD+R DL, but the last released one did. PIPO, etc. scans are highly overrated. I don't bother with them. I've been burning at max speeds on recordable media since 2000 going all the way to CD-R's. Last year, I still had Optodisc DVD-R burned nearly 20 years ago that were still readable. The only time I've ever had to consider switching to a slower speed was with BD-R DL.

Well and you didn't respond to any of my points listed. It's like talking to a wall.

None of my Pioneers have this issue. You need to move on. I have two 212 drives flashed to UHD and a 209 flashed to S11 UHD. You are stuck with decade old issues and assumptions that your experiences translate to other Pioneer drives. They are the best and hard and expensive to get.

Pioneer no longer makes drives anymore. Plus, for almost 15 years, Pioneer borked their firmware so they don't properly write to 8x DVD+RW. While the last firmware they released for their last drive did not to that for 8x DVD+RW, they borked 8x DVD+R DL so they only write at 2.4x max.

Sorry but you are not following logic. A good burn requires a good burner with a good strategy for the discs. I told you already that LG drives are not good burners for 50GB discs. Now you blame it on the discs. As said in general disc quality has gone south in the past especially concerning 50 Gb discs and larger. 1) Burn 50 GB discs with a Pioneer drive 2) Check the burn with VPTools or qxptools. 3) Apply spare areas to improve your burns 4) Stop making assumptions without real results from a quality check with VPTools or qxptools. 5) Better stop burning at all and save on hard drives

Hi! Late for this topic so I'm not sure if it helps anymore. So companies for said drives tend to do weird things with their firmware, adding and removing features willy-nilly without a proper reason. MakeMKV does help with a solid community for flashing the firmware of a few drives, but some need to be flashed by an expert with a specialized method for that certain drive, that's why the fee is needed. I'm saying this from my own personal experience with the MakeMKV forum, when I flashed the ODD myself (it was among those which had the method and firmware public). Now I'm not sure if your drive is among those which need the paid method, but if a trusted member of MakeMKV forum said so, then that might be it. NOTE: Flashing the firmware of anything equals with voiding the warranty, so if the process failed midway, you couldn't have made use of a warranty anyway.

I recommend DVD-R over DVD+R because they are slightly larger in capacity and they're older technology, which means they have a higher compatibility rate with older physical DVD players.

Hi! Late to the topic, but I just sprouted an idea. I assume jigy wants to do such a thing because of a compatibility issue with his read/write drive, so probably any software method to trick the drive might be a big no-no. Honestly, if this were the case, I would just get a few DVD-R and do my thing. Way easier method.

Hi! I don't know if this helps after such a long time, but I'll leave my reply here for others in a similar situation to check it out. So, copyright laws differ according to region and sometimes country too. Each having their own regulations, tracking methods and punishments in case of infrigments. BREIN can be considered, and probably is, a law firm focused on copyright cases where they prosecute the end consumer and defend the company. As such it's not a good "entity" to ask about such things to not make yourself a target. To give you a solution to your confusing situation, I suggest you go by the rule of thumb. If what you sell has the identification stamp (reflective sticker with unique ID used on original media formats) then you are safe to re-sell at your own price on the aftermarket. If what you sell doesn't have the identification stamp (because of damage on said reflective sticker), you're liable for a lawsuit. (that reflective sticker is your proof of ownership) On short, in your situation you can sell the newly burned disc only in the original enclosure the damaged disc was initially. (make sure to mention that the original disc was replaced with another one, and lower your price accordingly, or you're not selling it anytime soon)

I have to question the longevity of these Ritek BD-R DL's, though. Back in 2012, I was given two RITEK DID BD-R's by someone who made a fan made collection of an old TV series that wasn't available on Blu-Ray. This year, I checked on both BD-R discs and both were partially unreadable in an NS60 and my ASUS. Also, those Ritek BD-R caused playback issues in the Playstation 3. One disc would skip over the entirety of the copyright logo Title Set at the beginning and the 2nd disc would cause skips during playback of other Title Sets.

Without doing a quality check with VPTools or qxptool you just can't say that these burns are w/o failures or borderline. I suggest you flash one of your LG / ASUS drives to WH16NS58 1.V5 so you can do. Of course you need to adjust the output file size in CloneBD to something in the 44 - 45 GB area instead of 50GB to accomodate for burning with spare areas.

It's not that I'm stubborn, it's that it's a global setting, which needs to be changed every time it's not in use. And I will invariably forget to turn it off, ruining a good disc BD-R that didn't need it. And, thus far, using 2x, the NS60, and the VanTec Gen 2 enclosure has worked just fine for both DataLife Plus and the Riteks. Plus, right now, the only test discs I have left are between 45 GB and 50, which means the spare areas will, most likely, mean I won't be able to burn those discs.

You NEED to burn with spare areas. Don't be stubborn.

That first failed playback test of the Ritek BD-R DL's appears to have been just a typical random fluke. I cleared the cache in CloneBD and rebuilt the output. I tested it before writing it to ANOTHER Ritek BD-R DL and the output was correct at the part I had just randomly happened to play and find the failure at. Doesn't mean there aren't others, though...

The error was present in the source files used to make the Ritek disc in question. They were present in the original source material. I need to see if it's a mastering error on the original Blu-Ray disc or a processing error made by CloneBD, which made the BDMV folder I used to create the image burned to the Ritek BD-R DL. It is not present in the source disc, so it must be an output error by CloneBD. I need to run some more tests before continuing.

Well, I'm not entirely sure about the Riteks. First playback test failed. What little I played of it skipped over the very end of the first episode on the Doctor Who disc I tested it with. I Reverse Scanned over the portion and the video froze at that point. However, I also have reason to believe my LG Blu-Ray player may be going bad. I've had 2 similar playback failures on Verbatim DataLife Plus BD-R DL's burned in the NS60 in the VanTec Gen 2 enclosure on my LG Blu-Ray Player. Given how this has happened on both the Ritek and Verbatim discs, that leads me to believe it's a player issue. Unfortunately, I can't test the discs on my PC drive as I have no software that plays Blu-Rays correctly. The closest thing that works is Leawo's Blu-Ray Player, but it's terrible at actual navigation of discs. My PowerDVD supposedly plays Blu-Rays but doesn't play anything other than DVD's, which I DON'T need it for.

I got some Ritek BD-R DL's I found on Amazon. They appear to be the ones you recommended: Disc ID: RITEK-DR3-000. So, I'll test these out.

That's also my understanding of how it's basically done.

I don´t know how it´s done, but I think it appends the last operated session on top, then the trimming process starts removing the oldest log entries by session not line by line. So at the end when it reaches the cap limit, the number of lines will vary accordingly with the limit beeing 5000, oldest log being saved from start to finish not somwhere mid session.

Well, it must be 5,000 lines at the max. And when it reached 5,000, then the entirety of the last dated operation is removed from the Log. The Log, as far as I've ever seen, never ends with an incomplete Log. So, if it is capped at 5,000, when the Log exceeds that # of lines, then the oldest entry from a particular start of a Log is removed to free up space since the Log as far as I can tell never ends with a partial operation. Either way, thanks for looking for that info for me!