First time Dual Layer Burn - Help?!

soundengineer21 · February 9, 2011

This is the 1st time I've ever attempted a DL burn. I bought Verbatim DVD-R DL discs because regular DVD-R always worked best for me & I thought the DL would work the same...

I've tried reading through the various discussions on various forums on how to go about burning the project and now my head is spinning!! all those sector things & maths!!! I've gathered that DVD+R DL are better... but I won't be anywhere near a store that sells them till next week, if that & the client wants their discs now. Can I can make do with what I have??

Now for help - I'm hoping someone can give a step-by-step for "dummies" as I don't know dot about the sectors or anything!

Anyway, here's the setup -

I'm using Encore 1.5 for the authoring. Its a client's wedding disc with 3 different days ceremonies = 3 timelines. The chapters are all set from in PPro at the important events eg. vows, speeches etc.

1st timeline is the biggest at 1hr 53:44:04

The other 2 are 00:56:51:07 and 00:55:52:04.

There is 1 menu with a play movie button from which the timelines flow one into the other (with end actions), and then there are 3 other buttons - one to access each timeline individually & using an 'override' command to return to the menu & not play the preset 'end action'.

I created a disc image and encore prompted for a transition place as it "couldn't create automatically"

the transition at chapter point option is greyed out and it offers me a point (01:52:57:07) between 01:52:58:06 and 01:52:56:08.

I say ok and it builds the image. The disc info page says "8.52 GB used. 15.79MB free"

After reading some stuff online, and with the suggestions that Encore wont Burn to DVD-R DL (even though it shows the right details in the 'burn disc' section) I downloaded ImgBurn.

I checked the ISO for the layer break info and it showed 2 green stars - both at LBA 2084960 ; 50/50%.

One is VTS_02_1.VOB with N/A on all other columns, the other is VTS_02 ; PGC, chapter & cell at 1 ; start 00:00:00:00 ; SPLIP no

When I put in the disc and loaded the image this is the info in the right-hand column:

HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GH22LP20 1.02 (ATA)

Current Profile: DVD-R DL

Disc Information:

Status: Empty

State of Last Session: Empty

Erasable: No

Free Sectors: 4,171,712

Free Space: 8,543,666,176 bytes

Free Time: 927:04:62 (MM:SS:FF)

Next Writable Address: 0

Supported Write Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 10x

DVD±R DL Boundary Information:

L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,092,896

Changeable: No

DVD-R DL Shifted Middle Area:

Start Address: 2,092,896

Changeable: Yes

DVD-R DL Manual Layer Jump:

Address: 4,294,770,688

Pre-recorded Information:

Manufacturer ID: MKM 03RD30

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded - L0):

Disc ID: 0-00

Book Type: DVD-R

Part Version: 6

Disc Size: 120mm

Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified

Number of Layers: 2

Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)

Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit

Track Density: 0.74 um/track

First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608

Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,566,527

Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,289,503

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded - L1):

Disc ID: 0-00

Book Type: DVD-R

Part Version: 6

Disc Size: 120mm

Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified

Number of Layers: 2

Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)

Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit

Track Density: 0.74 um/track

First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608

Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,566,527

Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,289,503

Then when I try to press burn I get the following message:

"Optimal L1 Data Zone Start LBA: None Found (VTS_02). This image has not been mastered correctly for burning onto DL disc. Cells dont meet 'Dvd-Video spec' criteria for potential layer break position.. Continue anyway?"

I select no because I'm afraid I'm doing something wrong & don't want to waste discs!!

I tried creating a dvd folder also, because I read something about it not setting a layer break & then you can use other software to put that in & burn - but encore gave me the exact same transition break message as for the image.

What do I need to do to make this project right for the layer breaks etc.??? I want to learn about the sectors & stuff but need to go slowly!!

Thanks!!

**LIGHTNING UK!** · February 9, 2011

If you can't just get a VIDEO_TS folder out of Encore, do the following...

Mount the ISO you have now in a virtual drive program.

Point ImgBurn's Build mode at the virtual drive and burn directly to your DVD-R DL.

soundengineer21 · February 9, 2011

Thanks for the quick reply. Where do I get a virtual drive program, how do you mount the ISO and point ImgBurn's build mode to the right place?

Is my layer break in the image in the right place??

thanks!

**LIGHTNING UK!** · February 9, 2011

I'm sure you should be able to do your own homework.

Get Virtual CloneDrive from here - http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=45979

Once installed, right click your ISO and opt to mount it in Virtual CloneDrive - it'll be an option on the context menu.

Then, load ImgBurn and click the 'Write files/folders to disc' button. (That takes you into 'Build' mode with the 'Output' set to 'Device'.)

Add the drive letter of the virtual drive to the source box (i.e. E:\)

Make sure your blank DVD-R DL disc is in the drive (and has been for 20 seconds or so) and then click the 'Calculate' button.

Hopefully you'll get a 'select layer break position' window pop up.

Let me know when you've got that far.

(After that it's really just a case of clicking the 'Write' button anyway.)

soundengineer21 · February 9, 2011

I just loaded the VIDEO_TS folder Encore created in ImgBurn. I clicked the Calulator and its given a bunch of options (see attached) - the last one is the same one that I previewed with the image file I got out of encore.

Would setting this here in ImgBurn override any settings chosen during the folder build in encore?

How do I know it is the right place considering I'm using Dvd-R Dl media and (from what I've read) the sectors are all different to +R media?

I really appreciate the help! Thanks

soundengineer21 · February 9, 2011

I'm sure you should be able to do your own homework.

Get Virtual CloneDrive from here - http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=45979

Once installed, right click your ISO and opt to mount it in Virtual CloneDrive - it'll be an option on the context menu.

Then, load ImgBurn and click the 'Write files/folders to disc' button. (That takes you into 'Build' mode with the 'Output' set to 'Device'.)

Add the drive letter of the virtual drive to the source box (i.e. E:\)

Make sure your blank DVD-R DL disc is in the drive (and has been for 20 seconds or so) and then click the 'Calculate' button.

Hopefully you'll get a 'select layer break position' window pop up.

Let me know when you've got that far.

(After that it's really just a case of clicking the 'Write' button anyway.)

Ok great - thanks I'll get that & try it out now..

soundengineer21 · February 9, 2011

I'm sure you should be able to do your own homework.

Get Virtual CloneDrive from here - http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=45979

Once installed, right click your ISO and opt to mount it in Virtual CloneDrive - it'll be an option on the context menu.

Then, load ImgBurn and click the 'Write files/folders to disc' button. (That takes you into 'Build' mode with the 'Output' set to 'Device'.)

Add the drive letter of the virtual drive to the source box (i.e. E:\)

Make sure your blank DVD-R DL disc is in the drive (and has been for 20 seconds or so) and then click the 'Calculate' button.

Hopefully you'll get a 'select layer break position' window pop up.

Let me know when you've got that far.

(After that it's really just a case of clicking the 'Write' button anyway.)

Ok great - thanks I'll get that & try it out now..

Got there - it's showing the same layer break options as with the encore Video_TS folder... (see jpg)

which do I choose for the -R media?

**Cynthia** · February 9, 2011

I would pick the fourth row (VTS_02_0.IFO)

**LIGHTNING UK!** · February 9, 2011

Yup.

Job done.

soundengineer21 · February 9, 2011

Thanks for the input.

I tried the burn on test mode and got an error at 50%. something about 'end of user area'

Here's the log file:

I 15:11:04 ImgBurn Version 2.5.5.0 started!

I 15:11:04 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)

I 15:11:04 Total Physical Memory: 981,420 KB - Available: 477,108 KB

W 15:11:08 Drive I:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.

I 15:11:08 Initialising SPTI...

I 15:11:08 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 15:11:08 -> Drive 1 - Info: HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GH22LP20 1.02 (E:) (ATA)

I 15:11:08 -> Drive 2 - Info: HP CD-Writer cd12n 1.34 (F:) (ATA)

I 15:11:08 -> Drive 3 - Info: ELBY CLONEDRIVE 1.4 (J:) (SCSI)

I 15:11:08 Found 1 CD-RW, 1 DVD±RW/RAM and 1 BD-ROM/HD DVD-ROM!

I 15:13:09 Operation Started!

I 15:13:10 Building Image Tree...

I 15:13:10 Checking Directory Depth...

I 15:13:10 Calculating Totals...

I 15:13:10 Preparing Image...

I 15:53:12 Using Layer Break LBA: 2065089 -> 2092896 (VTS_02_0.IFO)

I 15:53:12 Checking Path Length...

I 15:53:12 Contents: 20 Files, 2 Folders

I 15:53:12 Content Type: DVD Video

I 15:53:12 Data Type: MODE1/2048

I 15:53:12 File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 15:53:12 Volume Label: [Not Configured]

I 15:53:12 IFO/BUP 32K Padding: Enabled

I 15:53:12 Region Code: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8

I 15:53:12 TV System: PAL

I 15:53:12 Size: 8,415,260,672 bytes

I 15:53:12 Sectors: 4,109,014

I 15:53:12 Image Size: 8,472,821,760 bytes

I 15:53:12 Image Sectors: 4,137,120

I 15:53:12 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:40:02

I 15:53:38 Operation Started!

I 15:53:38 Building Image Tree...

I 15:53:46 Checking Directory Depth...

I 15:53:46 Calculating Totals...

I 15:53:46 Preparing Image...

I 15:53:55 Using Layer Break LBA: 2065089 -> 2092896 (VTS_02_0.IFO)

I 15:53:55 Checking Path Length...

I 15:53:56 Contents: 20 Files, 2 Folders

I 15:53:56 Content Type: DVD Video

I 15:53:56 Data Type: MODE1/2048

I 15:53:56 File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 15:53:56 Volume Label: Naedia - Yogeshan Wedding

I 15:53:56 IFO/BUP 32K Padding: Enabled

I 15:53:56 Region Code: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8

I 15:53:56 TV System: PAL

I 15:53:56 Size: 8,415,260,672 bytes

I 15:53:56 Sectors: 4,109,014

I 15:53:56 Image Size: 8,472,821,760 bytes

I 15:53:56 Image Sectors: 4,137,120

I 15:54:04 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:26

I 15:54:04 Operation Started!

I 15:54:04 Source File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-

I 15:54:04 Source File Sectors: 4,137,120 (MODE1/2048)

I 15:54:04 Source File Size: 8,472,821,760 bytes

I 15:54:04 Source File Volume Identifier: Naedia - Yogeshan Wedding

I 15:54:04 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 3E497EB3003F2097

I 15:54:04 Source File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.5.5.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!

I 15:54:04 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn

I 15:54:04 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 15:54:04 Destination Device: [1:0:0] HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GH22LP20 1.02 (E:) (ATA)

I 15:54:04 Destination Media Type: DVD-R DL (Disc ID: MKM 03RD30) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 10x)

I 15:54:04 Destination Media Sectors: 4,171,712

I 15:54:04 Write Mode: DVD

I 15:54:04 Write Type: DAO

I 15:54:04 Write Speed: 4x

I 15:54:04 Link Size: Auto

I 15:54:04 Lock Volume: Yes

I 15:54:04 Test Mode: Yes

I 15:54:04 OPC: No

I 15:54:04 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 15:54:04 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 5,540 KB/s (4x)

I 15:54:04 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,092,896

I 15:54:04 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: File System File Start LBA

I 15:54:05 Filling Buffer... (20 MB)

I 15:54:05 Writing LeadIn...

I 15:54:09 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 4137119)

I 15:54:09 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 4137119)

I 15:54:09 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2092895)

W 16:07:07 Failed to Write Sectors 2075584 - 2075615 - Reason: End of User Area Encountered on This Track

W 16:07:07 Retrying (1 of 20)...