I get this error with burning bluray dual layer's

[MichaelM]

Hi

 

I have a HL-DT-ST BD-RE WH10LS30 ATA Device for my blu-ray drive. i have another drive for blu-ray burning but it is for 25 gb burning. i never use it anymore cause i do mostly 50 gb burning on blu-rays mostly nowadays. in case you wanna know that drive is LITE-ON BD B LH-2B1S ATA Device. anyway whenever i burn a blu-ray dual layer from a iso i made i keep getting almost ever yime 2 messages that says

 

Waiting for buffers to recover... (LBA: 19689920)

Waiting for hard disk activity to reach threshold level...

 

it happens at least twice a burn. most of the time it's just twice. i have read about this on this forum. i tried some of the suggestions to solve it. like closing down any programs that don't need to be run while imgburn is running and even setting the buffer size to 256mb. this is my computer specs

 

Windows 7 Home Premium

Service Pack 1

AMD Phenom 9750 Quad-Core Processor 2.40 GHz

8.00 GB RAM (7.75 GB usable)

64-BIt Operating System

 

can someone verify if these errors cause video playback problems like freezing for example? i have had some burnt blue ray dl's that freeze on my PS3 and then either stop playback or skip ahead. this is totally unacceptable to me. i thought these errors were due to the error i mention i get above. can someone tell me what i am doing wrong. i checked firmware for my blu-ray drive and i couldn't tell whether i needed it or not. i know that sounds dopey but i just wasn't sure. i hope someone can help me solve this problem cause these blu-ray dual layer's by Verbatim i buy (Straight from a Japanese source cause they're cheaper than Amazon's prices) are not cheap. and i already got two coasters since getting my latest batch the other day. i am attaching my log file for the burned iso i did this morning.

 

thanks in advance people .

 

I 07:41:26 ImgBurn Version 2.5.5.0 started!

I 07:41:26 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium x64 Edition (6.1, Build 7601 : Service Pack 1)

I 07:41:26 Total Physical Memory: 8,125,624 KB - Available: 6,780,272 KB

I 07:41:26 Initialising SPTI...

I 07:41:26 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 07:41:26 -> Drive 1 - Info: HL-DT-ST BD-RE WH10LS30 1.00 (I:) (ATA)

I 07:41:26 -> Drive 2 - Info: LITE-ON BD B LH-2B1S AL09 (J:) (ATA)

I 07:41:26 -> Drive 3 - Info: ELBY CLONEDRIVE 1.4 (M:) (SCSI)

I 07:41:26 Found 1 BD-ROM/HD DVD-ROM and 2 BD-REs!

I 07:41:59 Operation Started!

I 07:41:59 Source File: C:\Blu-rays\BD50's\Rain Man 1988.iso

I 07:41:59 Source File Sectors: 23,439,360 (MODE1/2048)

I 07:41:59 Source File Size: 48,003,809,280 bytes

I 07:41:59 Source File Volume Identifier: Rain Man 1988 Blu-ray 1080p AVC DTS-HD MA 5.1

I 07:41:59 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 3E73392E0165A325

I 07:41:59 Source File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.5.0

I 07:41:59 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn

I 07:41:59 Source File File System(s): UDF (2.50)

I 07:41:59 Destination Device: [1:0:0] HL-DT-ST BD-RE WH10LS30 1.00 (I:) (ATA)

I 07:41:59 Destination Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: VERBAT-IMb-000) (Speeds: 2x, 4x)

I 07:41:59 Destination Media Sectors: 24,438,784

I 07:41:59 Write Mode: BD

I 07:41:59 Write Type: DAO

I 07:41:59 Write Speed: 2x

I 07:41:59 BD-R Verify Not Required: Yes

I 07:41:59 Link Size: Auto

I 07:41:59 Lock Volume: Yes

I 07:41:59 Test Mode: No

I 07:41:59 OPC: No

I 07:41:59 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 07:41:59 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 8,991 KB/s (2x)

I 07:42:28 Filling Buffer... (40 MB)

I 07:42:29 Writing LeadIn...

I 07:42:30 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 23439359)

I 07:42:30 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 23439359)

I 07:42:30 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 12219391)

I 08:29:02 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 12219392 - 23439359)

W 08:57:22 Waiting for buffers to recover... (LBA: 19605440)

W 08:57:47 Waiting for hard disk activity to reach threshold level...

I 08:57:48 Writing Sectors...

W 08:58:17 Waiting for buffers to recover... (LBA: 19689920)

W 08:58:22 Waiting for hard disk activity to reach threshold level...

I 08:58:23 Writing Sectors...

I 09:12:38 Synchronising Cache...

I 09:12:41 Closing Track...

I 09:12:42 Finalising Disc...

I 09:12:59 Exporting Graph Data...

I 09:12:59 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\HL-DT-ST_BD-RE_WH10LS30_1.00_SATURDAY-MARCH-19-2011_7-41_AM_VERBAT-IMb-000_2x.ibg

I 09:12:59 Export Successfully Completed!

I 09:12:59 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 01:31:00

I 09:12:59 Average Write Rate: 8,668 KB/s (1.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 9,085 KB/s (2.0x)

I 09:12:59 Cycling Tray before Verify...

W 09:13:08 Waiting for device to become ready...

I 09:13:29 Device Ready!

I 09:13:30 Operation Started!

I 09:13:30 Source Device: [1:0:0] HL-DT-ST BD-RE WH10LS30 1.00 (I:) (ATA)

I 09:13:30 Source Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: VERBAT-IMb-000) (Speeds: 2x, 4x)

I 09:13:30 Image File: C:\Blu-rays\BD50's\Rain Man 1988.iso

I 09:13:30 Image File Sectors: 23,439,360 (MODE1/2048)

I 09:13:30 Image File Size: 48,003,809,280 bytes

I 09:13:30 Image File Volume Identifier: Rain Man 1988 Blu-ray 1080p AVC DTS-HD MA 5.1

I 09:13:30 Image File Volume Set Identifier: 3E73392E0165A325

I 09:13:30 Image File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.5.0

I 09:13:30 Image File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn

I 09:13:30 Image File File System(s): UDF (2.50)

I 09:13:30 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX

I 09:13:30 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 23439359)

I 09:13:30 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 23439359)

I 09:13:30 Verifying Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 12219391)

I 09:40:14 Verifying Layer 1... (LBA: 12219392 - 23439359)

I 10:03:37 Exporting Graph Data...

I 10:03:37 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\HL-DT-ST_BD-RE_WH10LS30_1.00_SATURDAY-MARCH-19-2011_7-41_AM_VERBAT-IMb-000_2x.ibg

I 10:03:37 Export Successfully Completed!

I 10:03:37 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:50:01

I 10:03:37 Average Verify Rate: 15,626 KB/s (3.5x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 22,147 KB/s (4.9x)

Edited March 19, 2011 by MichaelM

[ianymaty]

The buffer kick in is a worning not an error. The disc should be fine.

 

Make sure that you have installed the latest firmware http://www.firmwarehq.com/LG/WH10LS30/files.html

 

You can find exactly wich version you have by clicking on drive and select Check for firmware updates... or Capabilities.

 

Make sure also you have the latest chipset/storage drivers installed. This site might help you. http://www.ma-config.com/

[MichaelM]

hi

 

thanks for the fast reply. can you tell me what the warning is exactly if it's not an error? just wondering. also should i keep the buffer size to 256 in the preferences?

 

i checked the firmware page and it said the latest is 1.00-A9 (August 30, 2010). i couldn't what you were talking about in your 3rd sentence. can you be more specific as to where to find that. also i did the 2nd site you mentioned and it said i have 1.00 firmware for my 50gb blu-ray drive. i guess that's not the same as the firmware that was on the firmware page. i wanna be sure i need to download thata firmware beforehand in case of possible errors if i do upgrade.

 

let me know. thanks.

[ianymaty]

Note that is a W (worning) not E (error). The worning it says exactly what's the problem.

 

Your hard drive can't feed the data as quick as the drive burns the disc so the buffer kicks in and wait for recover. This is mostly drivers related.

 

You can check your firmware installed.

 

Open ImgBurn than switch to any mode where you have access to the drive, select it from the dropdown box than rightclick on it.

 

On the context menu you'll find at the bottom Capabilities, click on it, it will show you the full version if you have 1.00 or 1.00-A9 (1.00-09)

 

Note that when you run the firmware updater it will show you both the old and the new firmware as being 1.00

 

Just make the update anyway and check back after reboot it will show 1.00-A9

[MichaelM]

hi

 

oh ok. i checked the drivers page you listed and the only driver that was newer than what i installed which was the default checked was a internet connection related driver. it's installed now. so i don't know what driver(s) that could be casing that buffer recover message. do you think it was the firmware on my blu-ray drive? cause i updated and now i have the latest - 1.00-A9. i don't have any ISO's to burn right now but soon as i do i will check.

 

also, if there's more than 2 times the message:

 

Waiting for buffers to recover... (LBA: 19689920)

Waiting for hard disk activity to reach threshold level...

 

appears, should i worry then? i only had that happen to me like once and that happened ages ago. and should i keep the buffer size to 256 in the preferences?

 

thanks so much for your help so far. i'm learning a lot.

[MichaelM]

hi

 

can ianymaty or anyone else who can help me with these remaining questions i have?

 

regarding these two error messages i keep getting before i updated the firmware. (not sure if i will get them again cause i don't have any iso's to burn right now)

 

Waiting for buffers to recover... (LBA: 19689920)

Waiting for hard disk activity to reach threshold level...

 

 

do you think it was the firmware on my blu-ray drive that made me get these two memo's originally? now i have the latest - 1.00-A9. i've seen people get those two messages multiple times. sometimes several times. should i worry if that happens to me?

 

finally should i keep the buffer size to 256 in the preferences?

 

please, i need answers to these questions. it would help me tremendously. thanks in advance !

Edited March 21, 2011 by MichaelM

[ianymaty]

If the disc in the end comes out without problems (burn and verify OK) there is no problem having sometimes a buffer kick in. If you have a lot than might be a system problem.

 

Sometimes even the antivirus can interfere to scan the files or having a scheduled task temprary slowing down hard drive activity.

 

Finaly you can play with the buffer size that's why it's available in settings. On your amount of RAM should be no problem.

 

As long as the program permits you to modify the buffer size there will no be problems. That's kinda logic, isn't it?

[Shamus_McFartfinger]

Waiting for buffers to recover... (LBA: 19689920)

Waiting for hard disk activity to reach threshold level...

 

The basic explanation is this:- your source drive (your harddrive) can't supply your destination drive (your burner) with data quickly enough. That's it. There's lots of reasons this can happen.

 

1. Slow HD

2. Fragmented HD

3. Crappy cabling

4. Other operational tasks flogging your HD to death while you're trying to read from it - such as virus scans, Secunia (great program BTW) or anything else that needs to read or write to your HD.

 

That said, it's not a big problem. ImgBurn has Burnproof enabled by default, which means even though these warning appear, it won't affect the burn. The quote from your log above aren't errors but merely warnings. You can fix the "problem" permanently by slowing your burn speed.

[MichaelM]

hi guys.

 

thanks for the replies. i really really appreciate it. and thanks for answering my questions. i understand better now.

 

@Shamus

 

i never heard of Secunia until you mentioned it. i didn't know i was using it. i looked it up in google and i was still wasn't sure if i was using it actually cause i don't use Internet Explorer (I use Firefox) and i simply don't remember it popping up in my usage of this computer. i assume it's also used in windows 7. i know this isn't the place to thoroughly discuss this software but i was wondering tho should i disable Secunia while using imgburn? and if so how can i go about doing so?

 

i've started using 2x dual layer blu-rays again. i seem to recall having less problems with those in the past. that's slow enough speed to take care of major errors right?

[Shamus_McFartfinger]

i never heard of Secunia until you mentioned it. i didn't know i was using it.

 

You probably aren't using Secunia. It's a security program for Windows that keeps track of software you have installed to make sure it's up-to-date. It's just an example of a program that is very disk intensive, just like a virus scan is.

 

i've started using 2x dual layer blu-rays again. i seem to recall having less problems with those in the past. that's slow enough speed to take care of major errors right?

 

As I said above, they are *not* errors. This is ImgBurns' way of telling you that your burner is going too fast for the HD to keep up with it.

 

10 years ago this was called buffer underrun and was a big problem because neither the software nor the hardware was able to deal with it, which meant you got alot of zeros burned to disk which made it unplayable. With newer drives and excellent software like this, it just doesn't matter anymore. It might be a minor irritation to see it in your logfile but it won't affect the quality of your burn.

[doxola]

 

As I said above, they are *not* errors. This is ImgBurns' way of telling you that your burner is going too fast for the HD to keep up with it.

 

10 years ago this was called buffer underrun and was a big problem because neither the software nor the hardware was able to deal with it, which meant you got alot of zeros burned to disk which made it unplayable. With newer drives and excellent software like this, it just doesn't matter anymore. It might be a minor irritation to see it in your logfile but it won't affect the quality of your burn.

 

Excellent explanation. I burn a lot over the network and can't think of a time when I don't get those warning messages. Burns come out a-ok. Then again, I use mostly Verbatim & TY CDR and DVDR (which is a big +).

[Shamus_McFartfinger]

I burn a lot over the network and can't think of a time when I don't get those warning messages. Burns come out a-ok. Then again, I use mostly Verbatim & TY CDR and DVDR (which is a big +).

 

AH! That'll be the problem if you're not running gigabit capable hardware. If you're already running gigabit, you have a problem which needs fixing. If you're on a 100Mb connection, it has a realistic throughput of around 8 MB/sec. A DVD trying to burn at 8x requires just over 10 MB/sec - which would cause a buffering problem if the write rate on your burner is set too high. Burning a Bluray at 2x would max the connection speed for a 100Mb network at 9 MB/sec.

 

Options?

 

Install gigabit hardware or you could copy the file from your network drive to a local drive before burning or slow your DVD burn to 6x which is just under 8 MB/sec or Bluray burn to 2x. Personally, I'd go for option number 1. A 5-port gigabit switch can be bought these days for around $50.

[MichaelM]

You probably aren't using Secunia. It's a security program for Windows that keeps track of software you have installed to make sure it's up-to-date. It's just an example of a program that is very disk intensive, just like a virus scan is.

 

oh ok.

 

As I said above, they are *not* errors. This is ImgBurns' way of telling you that your burner is going too fast for the HD to keep up with it.

 

10 years ago this was called buffer underrun and was a big problem because neither the software nor the hardware was able to deal with it, which meant you got alot of zeros burned to disk which made it unplayable. With newer drives and excellent software like this, it just doesn't matter anymore. It might be a minor irritation to see it in your logfile but it won't affect the quality of your burn.

 

gotcha. i agree with doxola that that is a excellent explanation. but yeah see the reason why i was so concerned with these notifications in the logfile was that i thought they were related to a issue i was having with some burns where i would i play a blu-ray copy and it would play to a certain point and then it would freeze and then skip ahead several seconds ahead. this was played on my Playstation 3. i know that player can be sensitive to playing some stuff according to what i read. so i went on my computer and played back the ISO on my computer and it would get to the point and then multicolored video artifacts would appear on the screen for a few seconds and then disappear. it would continue playing fine from then on. i initially figured it was due to those notifications i was getting that i told you about. but now i am thinking it was just due to the original disc being a bad disc. anyway that's all i can i come up with.

 

again i really appreciate the help you guys have been giving me with Imgburn. i am more confident when using this program. if you have any insight into what i said above regarding what i said about the playback issue with my Playstation 3 please let me know. thanks!

[doxola]

I burn a lot over the network and can't think of a time when I don't get those warning messages. Burns come out a-ok. Then again, I use mostly Verbatim & TY CDR and DVDR (which is a big +).

 

AH! That'll be the problem if you're not running gigabit capable hardware. If you're already running gigabit, you have a problem which needs fixing. If you're on a 100Mb connection, it has a realistic throughput of around 8 MB/sec. A DVD trying to burn at 8x requires just over 10 MB/sec - which would cause a buffering problem if the write rate on your burner is set too high. Burning a Bluray at 2x would max the connection speed for a 100Mb network at 9 MB/sec.

 

Options?

 

Install gigabit hardware or you could copy the file from your network drive to a local drive before burning or slow your DVD burn to 6x which is just under 8 MB/sec or Bluray burn to 2x. Personally, I'd go for option number 1. A 5-port gigabit switch can be bought these days for around $50.

 

While I do have a spare 8-port gigabit switch on the shelf, the PC (oldie dual Xeon 2.2GHz) that has the data has a 100MB integrated NIC. I'll look into maybe adding a gigabit NIC one of these days. I usually don't try to burn at the fastest speeds for bluray or regular CD/DVD so maybe that is why I don't have major issues.

 

Forgot to mention the HD containing the source data connected to that machine is an external USB2.0 1TB made by Seagate. So I'm sure that also puts a squeeze on data xfer rate. Thanks for the additional insight, plus the options.

 

I have yet to burn BD-DL like the OP. I just know I've seen that warning message a lot, and my burns have not suffered as a result (not that I can tell). I mostly backup the kids' Wii games, so I can't comment on PS3 bluray playback at all.

[Shamus_McFartfinger]

multicolored video artifacts would appear on the screen for a few seconds and then disappear. it would continue playing fine from then on. i initially figured it was due to those notifications i was getting that i told you about. but now i am thinking it was just due to the original disc being a bad disc. anyway that's all i can i come up with.

 

Assuming that the crappy LG drive in your PS3 isn't dying, I'd have to concur that the source disk sounds a bit dodgy. The only way you're going to know for sure is to put the disk into another player. FWIW, I have 3 PS3s and the Bluray drive has died on 2 of them.

[Shamus_McFartfinger]

While I do have a spare 8-port gigabit switch on the shelf, the PC (oldie dual Xeon 2.2GHz) that has the data has a 100MB integrated NIC. I'll look into maybe adding a gigabit NIC one of these days.

 

I would. Particularly if you're going to move large files around - but you already know that...

 

Forgot to mention the HD containing the source data connected to that machine is an external USB2.0 1TB made by Seagate. So I'm sure that also puts a squeeze on data xfer rate.

 

Nope. USB2.0 has a much higher transfer rate than a 100 Mbit LAN. You should get at least 20 MB/sec from USB2.0. Your speed is being bottlenecked by the NIC.

 

I mostly backup the kids' Wii games, so I can't comment on PS3 bluray playback at all.

 

Having a modchip (which is illegal in some countries), for your Wii would theoretically allow you to attach a very large harddrive to store ISO images of your Wii games (which is illegal in some countries), and then theoretically use something called "USB LOADER" (which is illegal in some countries), to boot images from the attached USB harddrive (which is illegal in some countries). You could also theoretically use "WBFS Manager" (which is illegal in some countries), on your PC to theoretically copy your ISO images to a harddrive....(which is illegal in some countries), theoretically allowing playback without inserting a disk of any sort (which is illegal in some countries). Because this is illegal in some countries, I can't help you in any way regarding Wii backups, (which is illegal in some countries). Theoretically.

[doxola]

 

Forgot to mention the HD containing the source data connected to that machine is an external USB2.0 1TB made by Seagate. So I'm sure that also puts a squeeze on data xfer rate.

 

Nope. USB2.0 has a much higher transfer rate than a 100 Mbit LAN. You should get at least 20 MB/sec from USB2.0. Your speed is being bottlenecked by the NIC.

 

I mostly backup the kids' Wii games, so I can't comment on PS3 bluray playback at all.

 

Having a modchip (which is illegal in some countries), for your Wii would theoretically allow you to attach a very large harddrive to store ISO images of your Wii games (which is illegal in some countries), and then theoretically use something called "USB LOADER" (which is illegal in some countries), to boot images from the attached USB harddrive (which is illegal in some countries). You could also theoretically use "WBFS Manager" (which is illegal in some countries), on your PC to theoretically copy your ISO images to a harddrive....(which is illegal in some countries), theoretically allowing playback without inserting a disk of any sort (which is illegal in some countries). Because this is illegal in some countries, I can't help you in any way regarding Wii backups, (which is illegal in some countries). Theoretically.

 

Haha! That's why I like your responses...they crack me up, yet are informative at the same time!

 

Looks like I'll be adding a gigabit NIC to that machine eventually...(plus incorporating the gigabit switch).

 

Yeah, theoretically I could have a 500 GB Seagate drive connected to the Wii. In theory, all of the games we own could be backed up onto it, using USB Loader. No modchip in the Wii, though. I have contemplated using WBFS Manager 2.5 and 3.0, as well as Wii Backup Manager. I once had an idea that I might be able to back up the wbfs files to BDR, in case the theoretical Wii-connected HD should ever crash.

 

[MichaelM]

Assuming that the crappy LG drive in your PS3 isn't dying, I'd have to concur that the source disk sounds a bit dodgy. The only way you're going to know for sure is to put the disk into another player. FWIW, I have 3 PS3s and the Bluray drive has died on 2 of them.

 

hmm. i didn't know that there's a LG drive in my PS3. i originally thought upon reading your reply that you were referring to the LG drive on my computer. is that one (a HL-DT-ST BD-RE WH10LS30) considered a crappy drive too? and can you tell me when you know a ps3's blu-ray drive is dying. like signs of it? unfortunately i only have the ps3 and the lg drive on the computer for blu-ray playback right now. thought that'd be all i would need. guess not .

[Shamus_McFartfinger]

Looks like I'll be adding a gigabit NIC to that machine eventually...(plus incorporating the gigabit switch).

 

I would. It's just..... better.

 

Yeah, theoretically I could have a 500 GB Seagate drive connected to the Wii. In theory, all of the games we own could be backed up onto it, using USB Loader. No modchip in the Wii, though. I have contemplated using WBFS Manager 2.5 and 3.0, as well as Wii Backup Manager. I once had an idea that I might be able to back up the wbfs files to BDR, in case the theoretical Wii-connected HD should ever crash.

 

Theoretically, using WBFS Manager (V3.0, hypothetically) would also scrub the ISO image of useless data (which is illegal in some countries). A 4gig ISO *might* only contain 400MB of actual data with the remainder being just zeros. Hypothetically, you could use homebrew software on the Wii (such as an FTP server, for example, which is illegal in some countries) and just copy ISOs across, using an FTP client, which I would never recommend (because it's illegal in some countries). There is also talk of a theoretical way to store Wii ISOs on your computers' harddrive (which is illegal in some countries), and mount them over a network, (which is illegal in some countries).

[Shamus_McFartfinger]

hmm. i didn't know that there's a LG drive in my PS3.

 

It sure is, mate. Check the article below. There's alot more articles if you search Google for "lg sony lawsuit".

 

http://www.kokeytechnology.com/gadgets/playstation/88030-playstation-3-banned-in-europe-lg-blu-ray-patent-suit-versus-sony-prospered/

 

i originally thought upon reading your reply that you were referring to the LG drive on my computer. is that one (a HL-DT-ST BD-RE WH10LS30) considered a crappy drive too?

 

Honestly? No idea. You can read a review of your drive by actual professionals here:

 

http://www.cdrlabs.com/Reviews/lg-wh10ls30-super-multi-blue-10x-blu-ray-disc-rewriter.html

 

and can you tell me when you know a ps3's blu-ray drive is dying.

 

It'll stop reading disks properly. There's nothing scientific about it. Games and movies will freeze. Sometimes it might need 10 minutes to cool down before you play anything. Things like that.

 

Theoretically, you could rip the Bluray disk that you own to Matroska format which is an .MKV file (or H264, which is illegal in some countries) and use something like PS3 Media Server, which is free, to stream content via your home network to your loungeroom, bedroom or wherever. As the PS3 doesn't natively support .mkv files (because Sony thinks we're all pirates), you could even convert the .mkv file (which is actually a container and not a file), with something called MKV2VOB. The resulting .vob file could theoretically be played back on a PS3 without any problems.

[MichaelM]

It sure is, mate. Check the article below. There's alot more articles if you search Google for "lg sony lawsuit".

 

http://www.kokeytechnology.com/gadgets/playstation/88030-pla...nt-suit-versus-sony-prospered/

 

wow. i can't believe i'm finding this out now. before i bought my Playstation 3 (which was like almost 2 years ago i think) i did some research on its reputation and how well it does as a Blu-ray player. i was more interested in getting it as a blu-ray player than a game machine cause i just don't play video games as much anymore and i already have a XBOX360 for that anyway. i read some people's thoughts on the net and i kept hearing that the PS3 is (or at least was at the time) one of the best Blu-ray players on the market. plus i liked how it was able to play stuff recorded on blu-ray blanks without any real problems. at least that's what i read too. my friend is interested in getting a blu-ray player soon and i recommended a ps3 for the reasons i got one. you wouldn't have a recommendation for a good blu-ray player that can play blu-rays and recorded blu-rays without problems would you? or a site that you can guide me toward?

 

Honestly? No idea. You can read a review of your drive by actual professionals here:

 

http://www.cdrlabs.com/Reviews/lg-wh10ls30-super-multi-blue-10x-blu-ray-disc-rewriter.html

 

cool, thanks. i will check out this link and the other link you gave me today. thanks again pal

 

It'll stop reading disks properly. There's nothing scientific about it. Games and movies will freeze. Sometimes it might need 10 minutes to cool down before you play anything. Things like that.

 

Theoretically, you could rip the Bluray disk that you own to Matroska format which is an .MKV file (or H264, which is illegal in some countries) and use something like PS3 Media Server, which is free, to stream content via your home network to your loungeroom, bedroom or wherever. As the PS3 doesn't natively support .mkv files (because Sony thinks we're all pirates), you could even convert the .mkv file (which is actually a container and not a file), with something called MKV2VOB. The resulting .vob file could theoretically be played back on a PS3 without any problems.

 

oh ok. again this is news to me. i sure hope my PS3 lasts for a couple more years.

 

yeah, i'm familiar with MKV and PS3 Media Server. love that media server. i use it all the time. didn't know that ps3 has no problems with the MKV2VOB app. i might look into the MKV stuff. but to be honest i prefer to have exact copies of blu-rays with menus and extras intact and uncompressed video and audio. i'm kinda of a perfectionist when it comes to quality and home theater. that's just me.

[Shamus_McFartfinger]

PS3 is (or at least was at the time) one of the best Blu-ray players on the market. plus i liked how it was able to play stuff recorded on blu-ray blanks without any real problems. at least that's what i read too. my friend is interested in getting a blu-ray player soon and i recommended a ps3 for the reasons i got one. you wouldn't have a recommendation for a good blu-ray player that can play blu-rays and recorded blu-rays without problems would you? or a site that you can guide me toward?

 

Let me clarify something before I respond. I am not an expert. These are just my opinions with a little knowledge tossed in. With that in mind, I'll give you a response you can research on your own. Sound fair? Let's begin...

 

First and foremost, the PS3 is a great media player. It delivers very high quality audio and video straight out of the box. The audio is crisp and the video is stunning at 1080p via a digital amplifier. The things to really watch for are twofold:

 

1. Keep it cool. The PS3 runs very hot and is the root cause behind the RLOD, YLOD and failing bluray drives.

 

2. I wouldn't trust Sony to boil a cup of water. The rootkit debacle a few years ago combined with the PS3 "phoning home" every time it starts and transmitting data about your system, the movies you've played, your firmware version, your total uptime, your user account and various other things just sets my teeth on edge. FWIW, my PS3s cannot connect to the PSN network, even though they are available on my local network. (Choose advanced network settings and give it a fake DNS like 1.1.1.1). Also, after a firmware update for your PS3, you may find that some Bluray movies that you actually own no longer function because the firmware update includes new encryption keys which make your disk unplayable. Sony will never get another dollar out of me.

 

yeah, i'm familiar with MKV and PS3 Media Server. love that media server. i use it all the time. didn't know that ps3 has no problems with the MKV2VOB app.

 

The PS3 natively supports the VOB format. That means no lag as PS3 Media Server doesn't have to transcode anything.

 

i might look into the MKV stuff. but to be honest i prefer to have exact copies of blu-rays with menus and extras intact and uncompressed video and audio. i'm kinda of a perfectionist when it comes to quality and home theater. that's just me.

 

Well, that's where we differ. I might watch the movie itself 50 times but I'll only watch the extras once or twice.

 

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[MichaelM]

Let me clarify something before I respond. I am not an expert. These are just my opinions with a little knowledge tossed in. With that in mind, I'll give you a response you can research on your own. Sound fair? Let's begin...

 

First and foremost, the PS3 is a great media player. It delivers very high quality audio and video straight out of the box. The audio is crisp and the video is stunning at 1080p via a digital amplifier. The things to really watch for are twofold:

 

1. Keep it cool. The PS3 runs very hot and is the root cause behind the RLOD, YLOD and failing bluray drives.

 

2. I wouldn't trust Sony to boil a cup of water. The rootkit debacle a few years ago combined with the PS3 "phoning home" every time it starts and transmitting data about your system, the movies you've played, your firmware version, your total uptime, your user account and various other things just sets my teeth on edge. FWIW, my PS3s cannot connect to the PSN network, even though they are available on my local network. (Choose advanced network settings and give it a fake DNS like 1.1.1.1). Also, after a firmware update for your PS3, you may find that some Bluray movies that you actually own no longer function because the firmware update includes new encryption keys which make your disk unplayable. Sony will never get another dollar out of me.

 

been sick. been meaning to answer back sooner.

 

sounds fair.

 

by digital amplifier you mean like a hdtv or hdmi cable or both? that's what i have. i just wanna be sure is all.

i'll have to buy a ps3 cooler thing to keep it cool. what are they called exactly? i'll pick one up soon. i have custom firmware 3.55 on my ps3. when i turn it on i get booted from the psn network with this message that i can't seem to recall off hand. i don't think i was banned tho. i never got the memo about the new terms of service tho when i would boot up on the ps3. weird. that firmware update making some blu-rays not working is tht with copies and is it happening with firmware 3.60? do you know by any chance?

 

 

Well, that's where we differ. I might watch the movie itself 50 times but I'll only watch the extras once or twice.

 

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right. thanks for the advice shamus. let me know about my questions above if you can when you get the chance. i appreciate the help you've been giving me.

[Shamus_McFartfinger]

by digital amplifier you mean like a hdtv or hdmi cable or both?

 

Yes, mate. HDMI from your PS3 to your amplifier and then HDMI from your amp to your telly. At least that's how mine is set up.

 

i'll have to buy a ps3 cooler thing to keep it cool.

 

Well... possibly. The best way to keep it cool is to make sure it has plenty of space around it and that the hot air isn't trapped by putting it into an entertainment unit with closed doors and/or no vents at the rear. What I'd suggest is to stand it upright on it's left side. Then buy a really cheap USB hub and a crappy USB powered desk fan. (The hub gives you more slots if you need them). The fan and hub are both about $5 or something and only run when the PS3 is on.

 

i have custom firmware 3.55 on my ps3. when i turn it on i get booted from the psn network with this message that i can't seem to recall off hand. i don't think i was banned tho.

 

PSN now requires an update to firmware version 3.60. If you use PSN, you need to update. If you like the freedom to do what you like with the hardware you actually own and paid for, keep it at 3.55.

 

weird. that firmware update making some blu-rays not working is tht with copies and is it happening with firmware 3.60? do you know by any chance?

Sorry, I got that arse-backwards. Newer movies may require firmware updates to play properly or at all.

[MichaelM]

Yes, mate. HDMI from your PS3 to your amplifier and then HDMI from your amp to your telly. At least that's how mine is set up.

 

oh ok. i don't have a amplifier (Surround sound you mean right) i just hook it up to my stereo that has big speakers and subwoofers. it's not a amplifier but it works for me until i get the money for a real amp.

 

Well... possibly. The best way to keep it cool is to make sure it has plenty of space around it and that the hot air isn't trapped by putting it into an entertainment unit with closed doors and/or no vents at the rear. What I'd suggest is to stand it upright on it's left side. Then buy a really cheap USB hub and a crappy USB powered desk fan. (The hub gives you more slots if you need them). The fan and hub are both about $5 or something and only run when the PS3 is on.

 

cool. my entertainment table it rests on has no closed doors or vents at the rear. there's not enough room to stand it upright. so it's sitting flat on its back. do you think i should get what you suggest or just get a ps3 cooler? they have both at amazon.com right?

 

PSN now requires an update to firmware version 3.60. If you use PSN, you need to update. If you like the freedom to do what you like with the hardware you actually own and paid for, keep it at 3.55.

 

gotcha. yeah i don't really need psn. so i'll keep it at 3.55. the main reason is for the homebrew.

 

Sorry, I got that arse-backwards. Newer movies may require firmware updates to play properly or at all.

 

that sucks. i'll keep that in mind. thanks for letting me know.