burnt ISO to CDRW, won't boot !

[Czerno]

Hi! I must burn an ISO file to CDRW, for this I searched and downloaded your excellent Imgburn program. OS is Windows XP "Pro (ha!ha!)" SP3.

 

For a test I burnt this small bootable ISO (a min-windows 3.1, ca 8 Mbytes).

Upon writing, Imgburn told me eveything was fine (and later Verify mode also tells all OK),

the CD cannot be booted - either from physical computers, I tried 2, nor in VMware.

 

The ISO /file/ from which the burning was done boots OK in VMware !

 

Is this expected or at least can it be explained ?

 

ImgBurn log as requested, see below.

 

thanks in advance

 

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; ImgBurn Version 2.5.7.0 - Log

; samedi, 02 juin 2012, 12:44:30

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I 12:42:08 ImgBurn Version 2.5.7.0 started!

I 12:42:08 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 3)

I 12:42:08 Total Physical Memory: 982 512 KB - Available: 651 132 KB

W 12:42:08 Drive C:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.

W 12:42:08 Drive D:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.

W 12:42:08 Drive E:\ (FAT) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.

W 12:42:08 Drive F:\ (FAT) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.

W 12:42:08 Drive G:\ (FAT) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.

W 12:42:08 Drive H:\ (FAT) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.

I 12:42:08 Initialising SPTI...

I 12:42:08 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 12:42:09 -> Drive 1 - Info: SAMSUNG CDRW/DVD SM-352B T806 (K:) (ATA)

I 12:42:09 Found 1 DVD-ROM/CD-RW!

I 12:42:35 Operation Started!

I 12:42:35 Source Device: [1:0:0] SAMSUNG CDRW/DVD SM-352B T806 (K:) (ATA)

I 12:42:35 Source Media Type: CD-RW (Disc ID: 97m26s65f, CMC Magnetics Corp.)

I 12:42:35 Source Media Supported Read Speeds: 4x; 5x; 6x; 7x; 8x; 9x; 10x; 11x; 12x; 13x; 14x; 15x; 16x; 17x; 18x; 19x; 20x; 21x; 22x; 23x; 24x; 25x; 26x; 27x; 28x; 29x; 30x; 31x; 32x; 33x; 34x; 35x; 36x; 37x; 38x; 39x; 40x

I 12:42:35 Image File: D:\Documents and Settings\Steph\Bureau\Win31LiveCD.iso

I 12:42:35 Image File Sectors: 4 132 (MODE1/2048)

I 12:42:35 Image File Size: 8 462 336 bytes

I 12:42:35 Image File Volume Identifier: 20111125_222845

I 12:42:35 Image File Application Identifier: UltraISO V9.3 CD & DVD Creator, © EZB Systems, Inc.

I 12:42:35 Image File Implementation Identifier: ULTRAISO v9.3.6.2750

I 12:42:35 Image File File System(s): ISO9660 (Bootable); Joliet

I 12:42:35 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX

I 12:42:53 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 4131)

I 12:42:53 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 4131)

I 12:43:00 Exporting Graph Data...

I 12:43:00 Graph Data File: D:\Documents and Settings\Administrateur\Application Data\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\SAMSUNG_CDRW-DVD_SM-352B_T806_SAMEDI-2-JUIN-2012_12-42_97m26s65f.ibg

I 12:43:00 Export Successfully Completed!

I 12:43:00 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:23

I 12:43:00 Average Verify Rate: 1 652 KB/s (11.0x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 2 127 KB/s (14.2x)

I 12:44:30 Close Request Acknowledged

I 12:44:30 Closing Down...

I 12:44:30 Shutting down SPTI...

I 12:44:30 ImgBurn closed!

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; ImgBurn Version 2.5.7.0 - Log

; samedi, 02 juin 2012, 12:17:34

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I 12:10:38 ImgBurn Version 2.5.7.0 started!

I 12:10:38 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 3)

I 12:10:38 Total Physical Memory: 982 512 KB - Available: 664 640 KB

W 12:10:38 Drive C:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.

W 12:10:38 Drive D:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.

W 12:10:38 Drive E:\ (FAT) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.

W 12:10:38 Drive F:\ (FAT) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.

W 12:10:38 Drive G:\ (FAT) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.

W 12:10:38 Drive H:\ (FAT) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.

I 12:10:38 Initialising SPTI...

I 12:10:38 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 12:10:40 -> Drive 1 - Info: SAMSUNG CDRW/DVD SM-352B T806 (K:) (ATA)

I 12:10:40 Found 1 DVD-ROM/CD-RW!

I 12:14:55 Operation Started!

I 12:14:55 Source File: D:\Documents and Settings\Steph\Bureau\Win31LiveCD.iso

I 12:14:55 Source File Sectors: 4 132 (MODE1/2048)

I 12:14:55 Source File Size: 8 462 336 bytes

I 12:14:55 Source File Volume Identifier: 20111125_222845

I 12:14:55 Source File Application Identifier: UltraISO V9.3 CD & DVD Creator, © EZB Systems, Inc.

I 12:14:55 Source File Implementation Identifier: ULTRAISO v9.3.6.2750

I 12:14:55 Source File File System(s): ISO9660 (Bootable); Joliet

I 12:14:55 Destination Device: [1:0:0] SAMSUNG CDRW/DVD SM-352B T806 (K:) (ATA)

I 12:14:55 Destination Media Type: CD-RW (Disc ID: 97m26s65f, CMC Magnetics Corp.)

I 12:14:55 Destination Media Sectors: 337 348

I 12:14:55 Write Mode: CD

I 12:14:55 Write Type: SAO

I 12:14:55 Write Speed: 6x

I 12:14:55 Lock Volume: Yes

I 12:14:55 Test Mode: No

I 12:14:55 OPC: No

I 12:14:55 BURN-Proof: Enabled

W 12:14:55 Write Speed Miscompare! - Wanted: 1 058 KB/s (6x), Got: 706 KB/s (4x)

I 12:15:14 Filling Buffer... (20 MB)

I 12:15:14 Writing LeadIn...

I 12:16:05 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 4131)

I 12:16:05 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 4131)

I 12:16:16 Synchronising Cache...

I 12:16:57 Exporting Graph Data...

I 12:16:57 Graph Data File: D:\Documents and Settings\Administrateur\Application Data\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\SAMSUNG_CDRW-DVD_SM-352B_T806_SAMEDI-2-JUIN-2012_12-14_97m26s65f_6x.ibg

I 12:16:57 Export Successfully Completed!

I 12:16:57 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:02:01

I 12:16:57 Average Write Rate: 826 KB/s (5.5x) - Maximum Write Rate: 826 KB/s (5.5x)

I 12:16:57 Cycling Tray before Verify...

W 12:17:03 Waiting for device to become ready...

I 12:17:13 Device Ready!

I 12:17:13 Operation Started!

I 12:17:13 Source Device: [1:0:0] SAMSUNG CDRW/DVD SM-352B T806 (K:) (ATA)

I 12:17:13 Source Media Type: CD-RW (Disc ID: 97m26s65f, CMC Magnetics Corp.)

I 12:17:13 Source Media Supported Read Speeds: 4x; 5x; 6x; 7x; 8x; 9x; 10x; 11x; 12x; 13x; 14x; 15x; 16x; 17x; 18x; 19x; 20x; 21x; 22x; 23x; 24x; 25x; 26x; 27x; 28x; 29x; 30x; 31x; 32x; 33x; 34x; 35x; 36x; 37x; 38x; 39x; 40x

I 12:17:13 Image File: D:\Documents and Settings\Steph\Bureau\Win31LiveCD.iso

I 12:17:13 Image File Sectors: 4 132 (MODE1/2048)

I 12:17:13 Image File Size: 8 462 336 bytes

I 12:17:13 Image File Volume Identifier: 20111125_222845

I 12:17:13 Image File Application Identifier: UltraISO V9.3 CD & DVD Creator, © EZB Systems, Inc.

I 12:17:13 Image File Implementation Identifier: ULTRAISO v9.3.6.2750

I 12:17:13 Image File File System(s): ISO9660 (Bootable); Joliet

I 12:17:13 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX

I 12:17:15 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 4131)

I 12:17:15 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 4131)

I 12:17:21 Exporting Graph Data...

I 12:17:21 Graph Data File: D:\Documents and Settings\Administrateur\Application Data\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\SAMSUNG_CDRW-DVD_SM-352B_T806_SAMEDI-2-JUIN-2012_12-14_97m26s65f_6x.ibg

I 12:17:21 Export Successfully Completed!

I 12:17:21 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:06

I 12:17:21 Average Verify Rate: 1 652 KB/s (11.0x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 1 652 KB/s (11.0x)

I 12:17:33 Close Request Acknowledged

I 12:17:33 Closing Down...

I 12:17:34 Shutting down SPTI...

I 12:17:34 ImgBurn closed!

[LIGHTNING UK!]

If the ISO boots then the disc should do too.

 

You were trying to boot it from that same physical drive yeah? Obviously Verify only checks the disc is readable in the drive being used.

 

Read your burnt disc to a new ISO and compare it (at byte level in a Hex editor or something) to the original ISO.

[Czerno]

Read your burnt disc to a new ISO and compare it (at byte level in a Hex editor or something) to the original ISO.

Done. The new ISO (read from the burnt disk) compares to the original identically byte for byte. This part id good & implies your program (and the physical burner) aren't at fault :=)

 

If the ISO boots then the disc should do too.

You were trying to boot it from that same physical drive yeah?

Now this is the tricky thing!

The ISO boots properly (in a virtual machine, obviously) - whereas the burnt CD doesn't boot at all, in physical or virtual machines - including from the physical drive and machine in which it was ImgBurnt ! It has to be a logical problem, not physical. There are several kinds of bootable ISOs aren't there, maybe some won't boot depending on BIOSes ? Otherwise I'm at a loss...

The ISO image in question was found there, 7zipped, 8megabytes

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(I hope it is OK to provide a URL. Please feel free to erase it if it is against board policies)Thank you for the program, and your help

[LIGHTNING UK!]

Ah, the bootable bit of that ISO uses hard drive emulation. I guess some physical machines may not support that. Of course when it comes to virtual machines, if they're happy booting the mounted ISO then they should be happy booting the physical disc. Perhaps the I/O commands used to boot it don't work on the physical drive?

 

Have you tried burning it to a DVD to see if the same thing happens?

[Czerno]

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Ah, the bootable bit of that ISO uses hard drive emulation. I guess some physical machines may not support that. Of course when it comes to virtual machines, if they're happy booting the mounted ISO then they should be happy booting the physical disc. Perhaps the I/O commands used to boot it don't work on the physical drive?

Aha! Yep, that would account for the different behaviors. Since I first posted, I tried burning another ISO (Freedos - Tarnyko's version) : this one, conversely, it'll boot from the physical machine, *not* from VMware ! Go figure...

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Have you tried burning it to a DVD to see if the same thing happens?

 

Sorry no DVD burner on this machine (and, well,maybe I am too old school, but I can't see myself waste a DVD for an 8 MB image :=)Thank you very much for the insight on "emulation type". Maybe the image that didn't boot natively can be persuaded to boot using something like "Plop", who knows

Edited June 2, 2012 by Czerno