Read Speed 2X for Verify - Blank Read Speed 12X ???

[FeelTheBurnAhhh!]

I have a very annoying and perplexing problem.

After successfully burning a data files BD-R (Falcon SmartBlu 10X) at 10X

the Verify that immediately followed was at 2X-3X.

 

But the burned discs normally read at 12X.

 

If I take the burned disc out and put in a new blank from the same batch, it correctly shows 12X read speed for the blank disc.

But this burned disc shows as 2X-3X read speed.

 

Is this a bug in Imgburn?

Do I have something set wrong?

Is this a bug in the Pioneer BDR-208D firmware?

 

Help anyone?

 

TIA.

 

Logs follow:

 

BURN LOG:

I 22:44:21 ImgBurn Version 2.5.8.0 started!
I 22:44:21 Microsoft Windows 7 Professional x64 Edition (6.1, Build 7601 : Service Pack 1)
I 22:44:21 Total Physical Memory: 4,177,016 KiB  -  Available: 3,022,936 KiB
I 22:44:21 Initialising SPTI...
I 22:44:21 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 22:44:22 -> Drive 1 - Info: PIONEER BD-RW   BDR-208D 1.10-ID61 (E:) (ATA)
I 22:44:22 Found 1 BD-RE!
I 22:49:25 Operation Started!
I 22:49:25 Building Image Tree...
I 22:49:25 Checking Directory Depth...
I 22:49:25 Calculating Totals...
I 22:49:25 Preparing Image...
E 22:49:25 File size exceeds the limit imposed by the ISO9660 file system.
E 22:49:25 Name: F:\REDACTED
E 22:49:25 Size: 4,582,700,544 bytes
E 22:49:33 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:00:07
I 22:52:19 Operation Started!
I 22:52:19 Building Image Tree...
I 22:52:19 Calculating Totals...
I 22:52:19 Preparing Image...
I 22:52:19 Contents: 97 Files, 18 Folders
I 22:52:19 Content Type: Data
I 22:52:19 Data Type: MODE1/2048
I 22:52:19 File System(s): UDF (2.01)
I 22:52:19 Volume Label: REDACTED
I 22:52:19 Size: 22,958,200,776 bytes
I 22:52:19 Sectors: 11,210,135
I 22:52:19 Image Size: 22,959,226,880 bytes
I 22:52:19 Image Sectors: 11,210,560
I 22:52:19 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:00
I 22:58:02 Operation Started!
I 22:58:02 Building Image Tree...
I 22:58:03 Calculating Totals...
I 22:58:03 Preparing Image...
I 22:58:03 Contents: 97 Files, 18 Folders
I 22:58:03 Content Type: Data
I 22:58:03 Data Type: MODE1/2048
I 22:58:03 File System(s): UDF (2.01)
I 22:58:03 Volume Label: REDACTED
I 22:58:03 Size: 22,958,200,776 bytes
I 22:58:03 Sectors: 11,210,135
I 22:58:03 Image Size: 22,959,226,880 bytes
I 22:58:03 Image Sectors: 11,210,560
I 22:58:11 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:08
I 22:58:11 Operation Started!
I 22:58:11 Source File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-
I 22:58:11 Source File Sectors: 11,210,560 (MODE1/2048)
I 22:58:11 Source File Size: 22,959,226,880 bytes
I 22:58:11 Source File Volume Identifier: REDACTED
I 22:58:11 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 44C1B74100AB0F23
I 22:58:11 Source File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0
I 22:58:11 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
I 22:58:11 Source File File System(s): UDF (2.01)
I 22:58:11 Destination Device: [0:1:0] PIONEER BD-RW   BDR-208D 1.10 (E:) (ATA)
I 22:58:11 Destination Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: TDKBLD-RBB-000)
I 22:58:11 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x, 10x
I 22:58:11 Destination Media Sectors: 12,219,392
I 22:58:11 Write Mode: BD
I 22:58:11 Write Type: DAO
I 22:58:11 Write Speed: MAX
I 22:58:11 Hardware Defect Management Active: No
I 22:58:11 BD-R Verify Not Required: Yes
I 22:58:11 Link Size: Auto
I 22:58:11 Lock Volume: Yes
I 22:58:11 Test Mode: No
I 22:58:11 OPC: No
I 22:58:11 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 22:58:12 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 44,950 KB/s (10x)
I 22:58:12 Advanced Settings - Optimal Writing Speed: No
I 22:58:12 Filling Buffer... (80 MiB)
I 22:58:13 Writing LeadIn...
I 22:58:27 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 11210559)
I 22:58:27 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 11210559)
I 23:09:10 Synchronising Cache...
I 23:09:11 Closing Track...
I 23:09:12 Finalising Disc...
I 23:09:22 Exporting Graph Data...
I 23:09:22 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Administrator\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\PIONEER_BD-RW_BDR-208D_1.10_SUNDAY-JUNE-01-2014_10-58_PM_TDKBLD-RBB-000_MAX.ibg
I 23:09:22 Export Successfully Completed!
I 23:09:22 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:11:10
I 23:09:22 Average Write Rate: 34,869 KiB/s (7.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 44,025 KiB/s (10.0x)
I 23:09:22 Cycling Tray before Verify...
I 23:09:38 Device Ready!
I 23:09:38 Operation Started!
I 23:09:38 Source Device: [0:1:0] PIONEER BD-RW   BDR-208D 1.10 (E:) (ATA)
I 23:09:38 Source Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: TDKBLD-RBB-000)
I 23:09:38 Source Media Supported Read Speeds: 3x
I 23:09:38 Source Media Supported Write Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x, 10x
I 23:09:38 Source Media Sectors: 11,210,560
I 23:09:38 Source Media Size: 22,959,226,880 bytes
I 23:09:38 Image File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-
I 23:09:38 Image File Sectors: 11,210,560 (MODE1/2048)
I 23:09:38 Image File Size: 22,959,226,880 bytes
I 23:09:38 Image File Volume Identifier: REDACTED
I 23:09:38 Image File Volume Set Identifier: 44C1B74100AB0F23
I 23:09:38 Image File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0
I 23:09:38 Image File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
I 23:09:38 Image File File System(s): UDF (2.01)
I 23:09:38 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX
I 23:09:39 Read Speed - Effective: 2x - 3x
I 23:09:39 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 11210559)
I 23:09:39 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 11210559)
I 23:46:39 Exporting Graph Data...
I 23:46:39 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Administrator\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\PIONEER_BD-RW_BDR-208D_1.10_SUNDAY-JUNE-01-2014_10-58_PM_TDKBLD-RBB-000_MAX.ibg
I 23:46:39 Export Successfully Completed!
I 23:46:39 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:36:59
I 23:46:39 Average Verify Rate: 10,108 KiB/s (2.3x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 13,084 KiB/s (3.0x)

 

 

 

READ OP CAPABILITIES ON BLANK:

PIONEER BD-RW   BDR-208D 1.10 (ATA)
Current Profile: BD-R
Disc Information:
Status: Empty
State of Last Session: Empty
Erasable: No
Free Sectors: 12,219,392
Free Space: 25,025,314,816 bytes
Free Time: 2715:27:17 (MM:SS:FF)
Next Writable Address: 0
MID: TDKBLD-RBB-000
Supported Read Speeds: 12x
Current Read Speed: 5x - 12x

BD Disc Information:
Disc ID: TDKBLD-RBB-000
Disc Type: BD-R
Disc Size: 120 mm
Disc Class: 0
Disc Version: 1
Number of Layers: 1
Layer Type: Writable
DVD Layer Present: No
CD Layer Present: No
Channel Bit Length: 74.50 nm (25 GB Per Layer)
Push-Pull Polarity: Positive
Recorded Mark Polarity: HTL
BCA Present: Yes
Maximum Transfer Rate: Not Specified
First PAA of Data Zone: 131,072
Last PAA of Data Zone: 1,658,494

 

 

WRITE CAPABILITIES OF BLANK:
PIONEER BD-RW   BDR-208D 1.10 (ATA)
Current Profile: BD-R
Disc Information:
Status: Empty
State of Last Session: Empty
Erasable: No
Free Sectors: 12,219,392
Free Space: 25,025,314,816 bytes
Free Time: 2715:27:17 (MM:SS:FF)
Next Writable Address: 0
MID: TDKBLD-RBB-000
Supported Write Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x, 10x

BD Disc Information:
Disc ID: TDKBLD-RBB-000
Disc Type: BD-R
Disc Size: 120 mm
Disc Class: 0
Disc Version: 1
Number of Layers: 1
Layer Type: Writable
DVD Layer Present: No
CD Layer Present: No
Channel Bit Length: 74.50 nm (25 GB Per Layer)
Push-Pull Polarity: Positive
Recorded Mark Polarity: HTL
BCA Present: Yes
Maximum Transfer Rate: Not Specified
First PAA of Data Zone: 131,072
Last PAA of Data Zone: 1,658,494

Format Capacities:
DT: 0x01 - NB: 12219392 (0x00BA7400) - TDP: 200704
FT: 0x00 - NB: 11826176 (0x00B47400) - TDP: 12288
FT: 0x32 - NB: 11826176 (0x00B47400) - TDP: 0
FT: 0x32 - NB: 5796864 (0x00587400) - TDP: 0
FT: 0x32 - NB: 12088320 (0x00B87400) - TDP: 0

Performance (Write Speed):
Descriptor 1...
-> B0: 0x00, B1: 0x00, B2: 0x00, B3: 0x00
-> EL: 12219391 (0x00BA73FF)
-> RS: 8,990 KB/s (2x) - WS: 8,990 KB/s (2x)
Descriptor 2...
-> B0: 0x00, B1: 0x00, B2: 0x00, B3: 0x00
-> EL: 12219391 (0x00BA73FF)
-> RS: 17,980 KB/s (4x) - WS: 17,980 KB/s (4x)
Descriptor 3...
-> B0: 0x00, B1: 0x00, B2: 0x00, B3: 0x00
-> EL: 12219391 (0x00BA73FF)
-> RS: 26,970 KB/s (6x) - WS: 26,970 KB/s (6x)
Descriptor 4...
-> B0: 0x00, B1: 0x00, B2: 0x00, B3: 0x00
-> EL: 12219391 (0x00BA73FF)
-> RS: 35,960 KB/s (8x) - WS: 35,960 KB/s (8x)
Descriptor 5...
-> B0: 0x00, B1: 0x00, B2: 0x00, B3: 0x00
-> EL: 12219391 (0x00BA73FF)
-> RS: 44,950 KB/s (10x) - WS: 44,950 KB/s (10x)

 

[LIGHTNING UK!]

Pioneer drives have a 'quiet drive' feature that adjusts the read speed to keep the drive quiet. You may find a tool to disable it if you're lucky - the next version of ImgBurn has that functionality built in (but it hasn't been tested on a '20xD' drive, just the more feature rich '20xM' versions.

 

btw, there's a 1.40 firmware update available for your drive.

 

http://www.firmwarehq.com/Pioneer/BDR-208D/files.html

[dbminter]

Pioneer drives have a 'quiet drive' feature that adjusts the read speed to keep the drive quiet. You may find a tool to disable it if you're lucky - the next version of ImgBurn has that functionality built in (but it hasn't been tested on a '20xD' drive, just the more feature rich '20xM' versions.

 

 

This might explain something I noticed with my Pioneer.  I've never had a Pioneer before but it does seem a little slower at Verifying than other drives I've had.  I might see if this new ImgBurn feature turns off this Quiet Drive in my drive if it's something that is actually there. 

[FeelTheBurnAhhh!]

LIGHTNING UK!  thank you for your reply.

If I put the burned disc back into the drive and choose a function in Imgburn like Create An Image From Disc,

I see this in the profile window...

 

PIONEER BD-RW   BDR-208D 1.10 (ATA)
Current Profile: BD-R

Disc Information:
Status: Complete
State of Last Session: Complete
Erasable: No
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 11,210,560
Size: 22,959,226,880 bytes
Time: 2491:16:10 (MM:SS:FF)
MID: TDKBLD-RBB-000
Supported Read Speeds: 3x
Current Read Speed: 2x - 3x

File System Information:
Sectors: 11,210,560
Size: 22,959,226,880 bytes
Time: 2491:16:10 (MM:SS:FF)

TOC Information:
Session 1... (LBA: 0)
-> Track 01  (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 11210559)
-> LeadOut  (LBA: 11210560)

Track Information:
Session 1...
-> Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 11210560, LRA: 11210559)

Disc Definition Structure:
Certified: No
Scanned: No
Manufacturers Name: PIONEER
Additional ID: BD-RW BDR-208D
Serial Number: REDACTED

BD Disc Information:
Disc ID: TDKBLD-RBB-000
Disc Type: BD-R
Disc Size: 120 mm
Disc Class: 0
Disc Version: 1
Number of Layers: 1
Layer Type: Writable
DVD Layer Present: No
CD Layer Present: No
Channel Bit Length: 74.50 nm (25 GB Per Layer)
Push-Pull Polarity: Positive
Recorded Mark Polarity: HTL
BCA Present: Yes
Maximum Transfer Rate: Not Specified
First PAA of Data Zone: 131,072
Last PAA of Data Zone: 1,658,494
 

 

So it seems to me that somehow the burn process permanently rendered the disc to read at these slow speeds, not just during verify.

Could the Quiet Drive feature do this???

Edited June 2, 2014 by FeelTheBurnAhhh!

[FeelTheBurnAhhh!]

I have tried several of the versions of the Quiet Drive Utility from the Pioneer website.

They all say Target Not Found.

They seem to be only for the 220x drives, not for the 20x drives.

I guess the firmware is my only other recourse.

[FeelTheBurnAhhh!]

I flashed the firmware.

Then I tried the same disc again, (but on my Windows XP hard disk).

 

PIONEER BD-RW   BDR-208D 1.40 (ATA)
Current Profile: BD-R

Disc Information:
Status: Complete
State of Last Session: Complete
Erasable: No
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 11,210,560
Size: 22,959,226,880 bytes
Time: 2491:16:10 (MM:SS:FF)
MID: TDKBLD-RBB-000
Supported Read Speeds: 12x
Current Read Speed: 5x - 12x

File System Information:
Sectors: 11,210,560
Size: 22,959,226,880 bytes
Time: 2491:16:10 (MM:SS:FF)

TOC Information:
Session 1... (LBA: 0)
-> Track 01  (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 11210559)
-> LeadOut  (LBA: 11210560)

Track Information:
Session 1...
-> Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 11210560, LRA: 11210559)

Disc Definition Structure:
Certified: No
Scanned: No
Manufacturers Name: PIONEER
Additional ID: BD-RW BDR-208D
Serial Number: REDACTED

BD Disc Information:
Disc ID: TDKBLD-RBB-000
Disc Type: BD-R
Disc Size: 120 mm
Disc Class: 0
Disc Version: 1
Number of Layers: 1
Layer Type: Writable
DVD Layer Present: No
CD Layer Present: No
Channel Bit Length: 74.50 nm (25 GB Per Layer)
Push-Pull Polarity: Positive
Recorded Mark Polarity: HTL
BCA Present: Yes
Maximum Transfer Rate: Not Specified
First PAA of Data Zone: 131,072
Last PAA of Data Zone: 1,658,494
 

 

It is looking better!!!

Thank you for the help.

[FeelTheBurnAhhh!]

Did a read on Windows 7 Disk of that same burned BD-R...

 

I 12:55:13 ImgBurn Version 2.5.8.0 started!
I 12:55:13 Microsoft Windows 7 Professional x64 Edition (6.1, Build 7601 : Service Pack 1)
I 12:55:13 Total Physical Memory: 4,177,016 KiB  -  Available: 2,918,300 KiB
I 12:55:13 Initialising SPTI...
I 12:55:13 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 12:55:16 -> Drive 1 - Info: PIONEER BD-RW   BDR-208D 1.40-ID61 (E:) (ATA)
I 12:55:16 Found 1 BD-RE!
I 13:01:22 Operation Started!
I 13:01:22 Source Device: [0:1:0] PIONEER BD-RW   BDR-208D 1.40 (E:) (ATA)
I 13:01:22 Source Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: TDKBLD-RBB-000)
I 13:01:22 Source Media Supported Read Speeds: 12x
I 13:01:22 Source Media Supported Write Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x, 10x
I 13:01:22 Source Media Sectors: 11,210,560
I 13:01:22 Source Media Size: 22,959,226,880 bytes
I 13:01:22 Source Media Volume Identifier: REDACTED
I 13:01:22 Source Media Volume Set Identifier: 44C1B74100AB0F23
I 13:01:22 Source Media Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0
I 13:01:22 Source Media Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
I 13:01:22 Source Media File System(s): UDF (2.01)
I 13:01:22 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / 8x
I 13:01:22 Destination File: D:\REDACTED
I 13:01:22 Destination Free Space: 918,346,366,976 Bytes (896,822,624.00 KiB) (875,803.34 MiB) (855.28 GiB)
I 13:01:22 Destination File System: NTFS
I 13:01:22 File Splitting: Auto
I 13:01:23 Read Speed - Effective: 5x - 12x
I 13:01:24 Reading Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 11210559)
I 13:01:24 Reading Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 11210559)
I 13:12:14 Exporting Graph Data...
I 13:12:14 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Administrator\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\PIONEER_BD-RW_BDR-208D_1.40_MONDAY-JUNE-02-2014_TDKBLD-RBB-000.ibg
I 13:12:14 Export Successfully Completed!
I 13:12:14 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:10:51
I 13:12:14 Average Read Rate: 34,441 KiB/s (7.8x) - Maximum Read Rate: 50,725 KiB/s (11.6x)

 

Problem Resolved!!!

Thank you.

 

[LIGHTNING UK!]

I'm glad that solved the problem.

[dbminter]

I tried 1.06 of the Quiet Drive utility and it doesn't work for my drive either.  So, I'm guessing ImgBurn's implementation won't either.  But, I'll try to remember to try it.