MoJ Posted October 7, 2014 Posted October 7, 2014 I'm new to imgBurn and like what I've seen so far. I have not seen the issue I have in detail since it is quite specific. Here goes...I have an Acronis Bootable DVD +R DL that I have created. It has the bootable 'folder' (Recovery Manager) along with an image file of a laptop (*.tib file) and a folder of data files. This DVD boots into Acronis and we load our laptops with the laptop image. We've gotten requests to create an ISO file of this DVD so others can extract and use, but it's important to keep the bootability. I have created an ISO and each time that I burn it to disc and test in a laptop, it boots to Windows 7 instead of Acronis. The DVD is a closed multi-border data disc. Border 1 Zone 01 has 64 MB and Border 2 Zone 02 contains 6.6 GB. Can I get a summary of steps to take to perform the ISO creation then the ISO burn to DVD that preserves the Acronis bootable parameter? thanks for reading & for any feedback!
LIGHTNING UK! Posted October 7, 2014 Posted October 7, 2014 All you can do is try read mode and then write mode. Go into Read mode and put the disc in the drive. Copy and paste all of the disc info from the box on the right please.
MoJ Posted October 8, 2014 Author Posted October 8, 2014 HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GS40N A100 (SATA)Current Profile: DVD+R DLDisc Information:Status: CompleteState of Last Session: CompleteErasable: NoSessions: 1Sectors: 3,398,816Size: 6,960,775,168 bytesTime: 755:19:41 (MM:SS:FF)Supported Read Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x, 8xCurrent Read Speed: 3.3x - 8x, 8x - 3.3xFile System Information:Sectors: 3,398,816Size: 6,960,775,168 bytesTime: 755:19:41 (MM:SS:FF)TOC Information:Session 1... (LBA: 0)-> Track 01 (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 3398815)-> LeadOut (LBA: 3398816)Track Information:Session 1...-> Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 3398816, LRA: 0)Disc Control Blocks Information:HL-DT-ST GS40NPhysical Format Information (ADIP - L0):Disc ID: MKM-003-00Book Type: DVD+R DLPart Version: 1Disc Size: 120mmMaximum Read Rate: Not SpecifiedNumber of Layers: 2Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)Linear Density: 0.293 um/bitTrack Density: 0.74 um/trackFirst Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,283,519Physical Format Information (ADIP - L1):Disc ID: MKM-003-00Book Type: DVD+R DLPart Version: 1Disc Size: 120mmMaximum Read Rate: Not SpecifiedNumber of Layers: 2Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)Linear Density: 0.293 um/bitTrack Density: 0.74 um/trackFirst Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,283,519Physical Format Information (Last Recorded - L0):Disc ID: MKM-003-00Book Type: DVD-ROMPart Version: 1Disc Size: 120mmMaximum Read Rate: Not SpecifiedNumber of Layers: 2Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)Linear Density: 0.293 um/bitTrack Density: 0.74 um/trackFirst Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 1,896,015Physical Format Information (Last Recorded - L1):Disc ID: MKM-003-00Book Type: DVD-ROMPart Version: 1Disc Size: 120mmMaximum Read Rate: Not SpecifiedNumber of Layers: 2Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)Linear Density: 0.293 um/bitTrack Density: 0.74 um/trackFirst Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 1,896,015Layer Information:Layer 0 Sectors: 1,699,408 (50%)Layer 1 Sectors: 1,699,408 (50%)
dbminter Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 Yeah, you shouldn't have trouble just Reading the bootable disc to an image file and then Writing the image file to a disc and still have the disc bootable. As long as you do a Read/Write, the boot image should be preserved.
MoJ Posted October 8, 2014 Author Posted October 8, 2014 I got an error when trying to read the bootable disc to an image file, so I had to switch to Build Mode.
dbminter Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 Ah, that may be the problem. Unless you extract the boot image from the bootable media and select specific, highly specialized options to boot, it won't boot. From a bootable disc, you can't just copy over the disc contents in Build mode because the actual booting part is stored somewhere else. I never had much luck creating bootable discs in Build mode, I'm afraid.
MoJ Posted October 8, 2014 Author Posted October 8, 2014 Ok, well I'm not giving up just yet. I'm looking for those specific, highly specialized options to create the ISO that will indeed preserve the bootability.
ianymaty Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 Why a bootable disc would be multisession? Who created it? What is it for?
dbminter Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 There is a command somewhere in the advanced options for extracting the boot image from the source disc. You can then set this image as the boot sector for the image file you're creating. However, there are various advanced options that need to be set based on which version of Windows you're booting into. However, I believe the Acronis boot sector might be Linux based, so you'd need different options for that.
dbminter Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 You might try MagicDisc. I think it creates ISO's of DVD DL discs and I think it's free. After looking it up, it appears it's called MagicISO instead. What I do with bootable discs is once I have an image file, which I rarely have trouble with reading them with ImgBurn, is I use UltraISO to remove or inject new files into the image and save it. That way, the bootable part remains untouched and I don't have to set various advanced options in ImgBurn with the bootable image.
MoJ Posted October 8, 2014 Author Posted October 8, 2014 Thanks, I will try MagicISO. Yes, Acronis bundles it's bootable part so I'm not sure that it can be extracted. We have created a method to create a bootable rescue media then add the other folders to the disc within the DVD writing software. This works well and copies can be made as well. It's just the ISO part that isn't working which is unfortunate.
dbminter Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 The image part should be extracable. It's a standard part of the disc and ImgBurn has the function to extract it. However, for Build mode, there are those advanced options which, as I said, vary depending on the OS being booted. Plus, the files to boot the CD might be separate from the files that run afterwards. For instance, the Acronis rescue environment might be on the same part of the disc that is visible to Windows, that contains your Acronis image files. I used to use Acronis True Image and cannot recall ever coming across an error where ImgBurn would not read a rescue disc to an image file. So, I don't know why you've got multi-session discs. What software are you using to add files and folders to rescue media to? That may be what is actually causing the problem. That software may be writing multi-session image files. I know UltraISO injects the Macrium Reflect image files I add to their recovery ISO's. I never tried reading one of these discs with ImgBurn to see if it would. Let me start a test read now. It reads the discs so UltraISO doesn't create multi-session discs. And near as I can recall, I used to inject True Image image files into Acronis rescue media. BUT I don't think I ever read the discs with ImgBurn. I don't think I ever did back when I using TI regularly (Which was years ago as the last version of TI that worked was TI 11. NOT 2011, but TI 11, going back THAT far.) because TI had the option to write the recovery environment to one of the discs in the image set. Something Reflect doesn't do, hence my need to inject Reflect image files into the recovery ISO's.
MoJ Posted October 8, 2014 Author Posted October 8, 2014 I agree, the multi-session disc is what is most likely causing the problems, but that is the nature of our software. Here is a summary of how we create our software. A bootable image is made of the laptop using Acronis. This image is saved off on to the hard drive. A new disc is placed into the tray and an Acronis bootable rescue media is built. With the Acronis bootable rescue media still in the tray, then the media creation software on the laptop (Multi-media Center for Think Offerings) is started, with the option of writing a data disc. Some folders are added to the disc along with a folder containing the Laptop image file. Then we click on "load disc" on the media creation software, and the contents of the bootable media are added. Then the media is created and finalized. The disc boots up into Acronis and the customer can load the laptop. Once that is done the other folders are used for loading another computer system. Changing this process is not an option at this point, to ensure configuration integrity.
LIGHTNING UK! Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 So that disc info you posted wasn't from the disc you're trying to make a copy (or at least an ISO) of?
dbminter Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 Yeah, from what you post, it sounds like the software you use to create these discs is the culprit. I'm only guessing, but to preserve the bootable nature of the bootable source disc, that disc is "imaged" as the first session. Then, a 2nd session is added to the image you're creating that contains this new data, the True Image image backup TIB files.
MoJ Posted October 9, 2014 Author Posted October 9, 2014 The data summary that I posted was from the ISO burned copy. And yes, the bootable nature of the disc in on the first session. Here's a summary of the original disc from the ImgBurn software. Checksums are the same, btw, of the original disc and the disc that was created from the ISO image, just not bootable. HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GS40N A100 (SATA)Current Profile: DVD+R DLDisc Information:Status: CompleteState of Last Session: CompleteErasable: NoSessions: 2Sectors: 3,417,632Size: 6,999,310,336 bytesTime: 759:30:32 (MM:SS:FF)MID: MKM-001-00Supported Read Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x, 8xCurrent Read Speed: 3.3x - 8x, 8x - 3.3xFile System Information:Sectors: 3,450,550Size: 7,066,726,400 bytesTime: 766:49:25 (MM:SS:FF)TOC Information:Session 1... (LBA: 0)-> Track 01 (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 34975)Session 2... (LBA: 34976)-> Track 02 (Mode 1, LBA: 34976 - 3417631)-> LeadOut (LBA: 3417632)Track Information:Session 1...-> Track 01 (LTSA: 0, LTS: 32928, LRA: 0)Session 2...-> Track 02 (LTSA: 34976, LTS: 3382656, LRA: 0)Disc Control Blocks Information:MATSHITA 852Physical Format Information (ADIP - L0):Disc ID: MKM-001-00Book Type: DVD+R DLPart Version: 1Disc Size: 120 mmMaximum Read Rate: Not SpecifiedNumber of Layers: 2Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)Linear Density: 0.293 um/bitTrack Density: 0.74 um/trackFirst Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,283,519Physical Format Information (ADIP - L1):Disc ID: MKM-001-00Book Type: DVD+R DLPart Version: 1Disc Size: 120 mmMaximum Read Rate: Not SpecifiedNumber of Layers: 2Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)Linear Density: 0.293 um/bitTrack Density: 0.74 um/trackFirst Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,283,519Physical Format Information (Last Recorded - L0):Disc ID: MKM-001-00Book Type: DVD+R DLPart Version: 1Disc Size: 120 mmMaximum Read Rate: Not SpecifiedNumber of Layers: 2Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)Linear Density: 0.293 um/bitTrack Density: 0.74 um/trackFirst Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,283,519Physical Format Information (Last Recorded - L1):Disc ID: MKM-001-00Book Type: DVD+R DLPart Version: 1Disc Size: 120 mmMaximum Read Rate: Not SpecifiedNumber of Layers: 2Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)Linear Density: 0.293 um/bitTrack Density: 0.74 um/trackFirst Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,283,519Layer Information:Layer 0 Sectors: 2,086,912 (61.06%)Layer 1 Sectors: 1,330,720 (38.94%)
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