DL Media Tests

[Grain]

Some of this has been posted on another site, on the advice of a friend posted it here also.

 

I've been doing some personal DL media testing the last while, more specifically non-Verbatim. The reason for that being obviously that Verbatims work very well, known fact. The first testers were of the Ritek nature, with similar results to most everyone else. Failure to verify, etc. Next on the burning block were Fuji DL's, with the following results.

 

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):

Disc ID: RICOHJPN-D00-01

Book Type: DVD-ROM

Part Version: 1

Disc Size: 120mm

Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified

Number of Layers: 2

Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)

Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit

Track Density: 0.74 um/track

First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608

Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,578,943

Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,197,887

 

Layer Information:

Layer 0 Sectors: 2,001,280 (50.02%)

Layer 1 Sectors: 1,999,616 (49.98%)

 

Burned with a NEC3520, at 2.4X, 4X was an option though.

 

I've had very good luck with these so far, and fully intend to pick up more. All things being equal (ie price) I'd still give Verb's the nod, but only because of their widespread success rate, not because I've had them work any better. If anyone has some other test's they'd like performed on these, let me know, if possible I'll conduct them.

[gnowangerup]

Hi Grain

 

I was wondering if you had used any of the Mitsubishi DVD+R DL.

If you have have you had any problems with them???

 

I have been using some MaxData and they seem to hit and miss as well. 3 have worked and 2 haven't.

 

Thanks heaps

Edited November 14, 2005 by gnowangerup

[lfcrule1972]

<boring mode>

 

Its good to see the research being done by others, thanks Grain ! But for my money I am still sticking with the Verbatim DVD+R DL's......

 

</boring mode>

Edited November 14, 2005 by lfcrule1972

[Grain]

To the best of my knowledge and research, and I stand to be corrected, there are only 3 approved manufacturers of DL media, Ricoh, Ritek & Mitsubishi Chemicals. All three of these are sold under numerous different brand names. Ritek's DL's are widely considered as very poor, Ricoh's are a little less talked about, some people don't like them because they're not "Verbatim" , but I think those people are secretly on Verbs payroll . To answer your question quowangerup, Mitsubishi makes Verbatims DL's, which are excellent, and are the best from my personal testing, with Ricohs being a very decent alternative, and at almost half the price they become even more interesting. And don't be so hard on yourself LFC, your not boring

[LIGHTNING UK!]

Although I've never tried Ricoh DL discs, I've nothing but respect for the Ricoh brand. They make some great DVD+R discs - which I have purchased on many occasions.

 

If you can get them at the Ritek price, I see no reason why Ritek should EVER sell another DL disc!

[cornholio7]

the above scan looks excellent to me

[gnowangerup]

Thanks for your reply grain. Mitsubishi seems to be a little bit cheaper over here in oz than verbatim are. I might try them.

 

Maxdata comes up as Ricoh in DVDDecrypter, but they seem to be a bit funny. The first 3 I used were great, but now the next 3 have come up with the IO error, and it is not correctable. Only in the verification part. The movie still plays fine on the home DVD player, but on the PC gets stuck after about 1/2 way through the movie. So I will try some mitsubishis.

 

Thanks again

[Grain]

You can find non-Verbatim but MCC made +DL's cheaper in Canada also, the trade being some companies don't offer as good a warranty as Verbatim. Some folks at another forum are complaining about Verbatims recent quality, but it may depend where you are in the world. Apparently part of Europe is now getting Verbs made in India, which have mixed reviews. Some love 'em, others hate 'em. Ultimately we just have to go with what we know works.

 

On another note, make sure you change the booktype to dvdrom on all +DL's you burn.

[Grain]

Verbatim +DL scan.

[gnowangerup]

g'day again grain

 

Thanks again for your help and suggestions. May I ask why I have to change the booktype to dvdrom??

 

I also have my settings on SPTI what is the best one to use???

 

I have a Pentium 4 2.8GHZ and running XP. I have only just started to burn with DL's so I am abit of a noobie still. Any help would be much appreciated??

[lfcrule1972]

If you change the book type to DVD-ROM your standalone player stands a much better chance of recognising the disc - don't forget when a lot of the standalones were bought DVD+R DL didn't exist....

 

Oh and leave your settings on default as much as possible - these really do work best for all burns !

[blutach]

Both are good scans. Nice work Grain and thanks.

 

Regards

[Grain]

Tried zapping a Verb DL a little faster with the following outcome.

 

I 21:52:58 Source File: C: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

I 21:52:58 Source File Sectors: 3,765,147 (MODE1/2048)

I 21:52:58 Source File Size: 7,711,021,056 bytes

I 21:52:58 Source File Implementation Identifier: UDF Toshiba DVD Video

I 21:52:58 Destination Device: [0:0:0] PLEXTOR DVDR PX-716A 1.09 (D:) (ATA)

I 21:52:58 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: MKM-001-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x)

I 21:52:58 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824

I 21:52:58 Write Mode: DVD

I 21:52:58 Write Type: DAO

I 21:52:58 Write Speed: MAX

I 21:52:58 Link Size: Auto

I 21:52:58 Test Mode: No

I 21:52:58 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 21:52:58 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,051,232

I 21:52:58 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: Copied From Original Disc

I 21:52:58 Filling Buffer...

I 21:53:19 Writing LeadIn...

I 21:54:04 Writing Image...

I 22:09:36 Synchronising Cache...

I 22:09:41 Closing Track...

I 22:09:43 Finalising Disc...

I 22:11:36 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:18:37

I 22:11:36 Average Write Rate: 8,088 KB/s (5.8x) - Maximum Write Rate: 8,367 KB/s (6.0x)

I 22:11:36 Cycling Tray before Verify...

I 22:12:14 Operation Started!

I 22:12:14 Source Device: [0:0:0] PLEXTOR DVDR PX-716A 1.09 (D:) (ATA)

I 22:12:14 Source Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: MKM-001-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x)

I 22:12:14 Verifying Sectors...

I 22:58:39 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:46:20

I 22:58:39 Average Verify Rate: 2,708 KB/s (2.0x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 2,782 KB/s (2.0x)

Edited November 16, 2005 by Grain

[gnowangerup]

thanks heaps IFcrule1972

[lfcrule1972]

@gnowangerup - no worries

 

@Grain - nice one !!!

[Grain]

If I can save 36 minutes and get a good burn like that, no more 2.4X for me.

[gnowangerup]

Hi ifcrule and grain

 

I tried to change my booktype on the weekend without success.

I have a pioneer dvr-108 and there are no pioneer tabs to change.

 

Also all the tabs do not say DVD-ROM they all say DVD+R DL or DVD+R or DVD-R.

 

How can I change the booktype??

 

Thanks

[lfcrule1972]

I would wait for Lightning UK! to read this and advise if any of the tabs can be used for Pioneer drives. On mine (NEC) I select change for media type DVD+R DL, then in the next drop down menu I select DVD-Rom as the book type

[kevdriver]

gnowangerup, I don't believe Pioneer drives support bit setting. I have a 109 and it won't support it and the 110 doesn't either. I might be wrong but thats why the pioneers aren't listed in IMGburn.

Edited November 22, 2005 by kevdriver

[Kenadjian]

Spot on Kev.

[kevdriver]

Spot on Kev.

 

 

 

Oh No!!!!!!! not again, Jmet, where's those depends......... How are you doing Ken, Glad to see you again on the forum. Still recovering from Ken Jrs' party

Edited November 22, 2005 by kevdriver

[lfcrule1972]

Spot on Kev.

 

Actually if you ever saw the pic that kev posted it was more of a "lake" of oil than just a "spot" !!!

[kevdriver]

#39;( #39;(

[Grain]

I 20:53:08 Destination Device: [0:0:0] PLEXTOR DVDR PX-716A 1.09 (D:) (ATA)

I 20:53:08 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RICOHJPN-D00-01) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x)

I 21:20:33 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:27:24

I 21:20:33 Average Write Rate: 5,409 KB/s (3.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 5,854 KB/s (4.2x)

I 21:21:15 Verifying Sectors...

I 21:39:18 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:17:56

I 21:39:18 Average Verify Rate: 7,712 KB/s (5.6x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 11,143 KB/s (8.0x)

 

 

Not as nice as the Verb 6X scan, but I like it. Decent verify rate.

[Grain]