Marck@UFB Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 Good day! I'm a new ImgBurn user and overall I'm very impressed with the program! I downloaded it several weeks ago and was finally able to burn a demo music CD for our band that showed the album, band and song titles after struggling to get iTunes or WMP to do it all afternoon. I put the CD in my car player and all titles showed up perfectly. The source files for that burn were WMA files. Now, I am trying to burn an updated copy with songs that are in a WAV format, and not having success with the titles, at least not on my car CD player. What was really odd was that it didn't show the usual "Unknown Artist, Unknown Album, Track1, Track2, etc... it pulled up the title of some James Taylor Album and three unrelated song titles. It played fine, but we need the band name, CD name and song titles to show on conventional CD players as this is for promotional purposes. WMP and Groove Music can't display the titles either, but Roni Music's Amazing Slow Downer can. Seeing that the WAV files were missing metadata such as Title, Album and Track # in Windows Explorer, I found a program that would let me add those (MP3Tag), but still no luck. Wondering if I'd made an error creating the new CUE file for the WAV burn, I compared them in Notepad and they are identical except for the file names and play lengths due to some editing I did in Amazing Slow Downer. Here is the WAV CUE file: TITLE "Prime Cuts Demo"PERFORMER "Unfinished Business"FILE "01 It Don't Come Easy.wav" WAVEREM FILE-DECODED-SIZE 02:44:64 TRACK 01 AUDIO PREGAP 00:02:00 TITLE "It Don't Come Easy" PERFORMER "Unfinished Business" INDEX 01 00:00:00FILE "02 To Love Somebody.wav" WAVEREM FILE-DECODED-SIZE 03:53:20 TRACK 02 AUDIO PREGAP 00:02:00 TITLE "To Love Somebody" PERFORMER "Unfinished Business" INDEX 01 00:00:00FILE "03 Peaceful Easy Feeling.wav" WAVEREM FILE-DECODED-SIZE 04:38:40 TRACK 03 AUDIO PREGAP 00:02:00 TITLE "Peaceful Easy Feeling" PERFORMER "Unfinished Business" INDEX 01 00:00:00 After several more setting adjustments and test burns, I went back and burned another CD from the original WMA CUE file, and that worked perfectly once again. At that point, I wondered if there was something "different" about burning a CD from WAV files and started researching on line and in this forum. I found one post about a similar issue. but that person was content to get WMP to display them with an add-on you suggested, which won't help me. Here is an excerpt from the ImgBurn.log file showing both WAV and WMA test burns today. Both say CD Text was written: I 14:11:25 ImgBurn Version 2.5.8.0 started!I 14:11:25 Microsoft Windows 8 Core x64 Edition (6.2, Build 9200)I 14:11:25 Total Physical Memory: 16,665,168 KiB - Available: 7,931,136 KiBI 14:11:25 Initialising SPTI...I 14:11:25 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...I 14:11:25 -> Drive 1 - Info: hp PLDS DVDRW DU8AESH 6HSM (F:) (RAID)I 14:11:25 Found 1 DVD±RW!I 14:13:15 Operation Started!I 14:13:15 Source File: C:\Users\Owner\Desktop\DemoCD to Burn\Unfinished Business - Prime Cuts Demo WMA.cueI 14:13:15 Source File Sectors: 51,519 (AUDIO/2352)I 14:13:15 Source File Size: 121,172,688 bytesI 14:13:15 Source File Volume Identifier: Unfinished Business - Prime Cuts DemoI 14:13:15 Source File File System(s): NoneI 14:13:15 Destination Device: [0:3:0] hp PLDS DVDRW DU8AESH 6HSM (F:) (RAID)I 14:13:15 Destination Media Type: CD-R (Disc ID: 97m24s16f, Sony Corp.)I 14:13:15 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 10x, 16x, 20x, 24xI 14:13:15 Destination Media Sectors: 359,847I 14:13:15 Write Mode: CDI 14:13:15 Write Type: SAOI 14:13:15 Write Speed: 4xI 14:13:15 Lock Volume: YesI 14:13:15 Test Mode: NoI 14:13:15 OPC: NoI 14:13:15 BURN-Proof: EnabledW 14:13:15 Write Speed Miscompare! - Wanted: 706 KB/s (4x), Got: 1,765 KB/s (10x)W 14:13:15 The drive only supports writing these discs at 10x, 16x, 20x, 24x.I 14:13:16 Filling Buffer... (80 MiB)I 14:13:17 Writing LeadIn... (CD-TEXT)I 14:13:46 Writing Session 1 of 1... (3 Tracks, LBA: 0 - 51518)I 14:13:46 Writing Track 1 of 3... (AUDIO/2352, WMA, LBA: 0 - 12514)I 14:14:03 Writing Track 2 of 3... (AUDIO/2352, WMA, LBA: 12515 - 30477)I 14:14:26 Writing Track 3 of 3... (AUDIO/2352, WMA, LBA: 30478 - 51518)I 14:14:55 Synchronising Cache...I 14:15:04 Exporting Graph Data...I 14:15:04 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\hp_PLDS_DVDRW_DU8AESH_6HSM_SATURDAY-FEBRUARY-3-2018_2-13_PM_97m24s16f_4x.ibgI 14:15:04 Export Successfully Completed!I 14:15:04 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:01:48I 14:15:04 Average Write Rate: 1,740 KiB/s (8.8x) - Maximum Write Rate: 1,748 KiB/s (8.8x)I 14:15:53 Close Request AcknowledgedI 14:15:53 Closing Down...I 14:15:53 Shutting down SPTI...I 14:15:53 ImgBurn closed!;;; //****************************************\\; ImgBurn Version 2.5.8.0 - Log; Saturday, 03 February 2018, 14:11:11; \\****************************************//;;I 13:50:35 ImgBurn Version 2.5.8.0 started!I 13:50:35 Microsoft Windows 8 Core x64 Edition (6.2, Build 9200)I 13:50:35 Total Physical Memory: 16,665,168 KiB - Available: 7,830,024 KiBI 13:50:35 Initialising SPTI...I 13:50:35 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...I 13:50:35 -> Drive 1 - Info: hp PLDS DVDRW DU8AESH 6HSM (F:) (RAID)I 13:50:35 Found 1 DVD±RW!I 13:51:17 Operation Started!I 13:51:17 Source File: C:\Users\Owner\Desktop\DemoCD to Burn\Unfinished Business - Prime Cuts Demo WAV.cueI 13:51:17 Source File Sectors: 51,199 (AUDIO/2352)I 13:51:17 Source File Size: 120,420,048 bytesI 13:51:17 Source File Volume Identifier: Unfinished Business - Prime Cuts DemoI 13:51:17 Source File File System(s): NoneI 13:51:17 Destination Device: [0:3:0] hp PLDS DVDRW DU8AESH 6HSM (F:) (RAID)I 13:51:17 Destination Media Type: CD-R (Disc ID: 97m24s16f, Sony Corp.)I 13:51:17 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 10x, 16x, 20x, 24xI 13:51:17 Destination Media Sectors: 359,847I 13:51:17 Write Mode: CDI 13:51:18 Write Type: SAOI 13:51:18 Write Speed: 4xI 13:51:18 Lock Volume: YesI 13:51:18 Test Mode: NoI 13:51:18 OPC: NoI 13:51:18 BURN-Proof: EnabledW 13:51:18 Write Speed Miscompare! - Wanted: 706 KB/s (4x), Got: 1,765 KB/s (10x)W 13:51:18 The drive only supports writing these discs at 10x, 16x, 20x, 24x.I 13:51:18 Filling Buffer... (80 MiB)I 13:51:19 Writing LeadIn... (CD-TEXT)I 13:51:46 Writing Session 1 of 1... (3 Tracks, LBA: 0 - 51198)I 13:51:46 Writing Track 1 of 3... (AUDIO/2352, WAVE, LBA: 0 - 12513)I 13:52:03 Writing Track 2 of 3... (AUDIO/2352, WAVE, LBA: 12514 - 30158)I 13:52:26 Writing Track 3 of 3... (AUDIO/2352, WAVE, LBA: 30159 - 51198)I 13:52:54 Synchronising Cache...I 13:53:03 Exporting Graph Data...I 13:53:03 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\hp_PLDS_DVDRW_DU8AESH_6HSM_SATURDAY-FEBRUARY-3-2018_1-51_PM_97m24s16f_4x.ibgI 13:53:03 Export Successfully Completed!I 13:53:03 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:01:46I 13:53:03 Average Write Rate: 1,755 KiB/s (8.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 1,755 KiB/s (8.9x)I 14:11:11 Close Request AcknowledgedI 14:11:11 Closing Down...I 14:11:11 Shutting down SPTI...I 14:11:11 ImgBurn closed! The two runs look comparable to me. I've attached the full ImgBurn.log file if that's useful. I need to use the WAV files as they include some edits to EQ and song length, but I can't use a CD those other wacky titles and I have no idea where they are coming from. Does anyone know what the problem might be or have any suggestions other than reconverting the WAV files to WMA and using the original CUE file? Also, BTW, I've not found a way to read in a CUE file so that I can edit it, add tracks, etc. I'm sure that must be supported, but it has eluded me so far. Thanks in advance for any help!! Marck ImgBurn.log
LIGHTNING UK! Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 Those weird names won’t be on the disc, so it’s something your cd player is making up - either based on some sort of internal database or online lookup. Sorry but I don’t really know what you can do about that. There’s no difference in burning wav or wma files - assuming the title and performer are the same in the cue files. That’s where the info comes from, not the tracks themselves. There is no facility to edit the cue file. The feature is purely for creating them. If you want to manipulate the cdtext info, that’s just done in notepad.
Marck@UFB Posted February 4, 2018 Author Posted February 4, 2018 Hi Lightning UK! Thanks for your reply. I wondered about the CD player doing something like that, but I've never seen that before and I don't think my car has Internet access unless it's via BlueTooth through my phone.. in the past, I has always displayed either the correct titles or the usual "Unknown Artist, Unknown Album, Track1, Track2", etc. Very odd. Is there any way to get a more verbose log from ImgBurn showing what CD text was written, or to scan the CD directly to read the CD Text it contains? Are there any Settings that I may have amiss? I have CD-TEXT,- Use ANSI CodePage off, as well as Audio CD - Default to WAV file off Incidentally, this is the test that displays on the CDs burned from WAV files. Apparently it is a real album, so perhaps it is from a lookup, but that still suggests it's not reading the CD Text written by ImgBurn correctly: James Taylor The Pull Over Tour Sampler US Promo CD single (CD5 / 5") Tracklisting / Additional Info: 1. Song For You Far Away 2. (I've Got To) Stop Thinkin' 'Bout That - live at the Beacon Theatre 3. Caroline I See You The more I read on this topic, the more it appears to be a moving target without any solid standards. Apparently, getting your CD to display the artist, title and song titles on th majority of players around requires submittals to several on line databases as well as embracing several "standards" for encoding that information on the CD itself. Can you point me to anything that might help simplify this process? Thanks again for your support, and a great program. Marck
LIGHTNING UK! Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 No, there's no additional logging for CD-TEXT stuff. It writes what's in the CUE, that's all. Nope, no settings to change either. Your car is just favouring its internal lookup to reading CD-TEXT. You can check the CD-TEXT on the disc by going into Read mode and clicking on the little button in the Source box that's a disc with a question mark on it ('View Media Information...'). I'm afraid I have no experience of database submission, so I can't help you there.
Marck@UFB Posted February 4, 2018 Author Posted February 4, 2018 Thanks Lightning, The CD-TEXT on both burns looks perfect. Like you, I have no idea why my car reads one correctly and pulls up other titles for this one. I guess I'll keep experimenting to see if I can find a way to get the album with the edited tracks to read correctly. Thanks again for your help!
Marck@UFB Posted February 4, 2018 Author Posted February 4, 2018 Here is a very old thread describing the hoops and ladders involved in getting CD and song titles to display in various players, if anyone is interested: https://www.gearslutz.com/board/mastering-forum/173881-writing-cd-text.html
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