roylayer Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 I tried burning my first double layer DVD+R last night. Things went well all the way up until the disc finalization. Specs: Dell pentium 4 2.53 GHz, 1.5 GB RAM, windows xp sp 2, imgburn version 2.1.0.0, sony dru-710a, firmware by03. Verbatim DVD+R DL, burned at 2.4x. Here is the log: I 22:09:19 ImgBurn Version 2.1.0.0 started! I 22:09:19 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2) W 22:09:19 Drive D:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB W 22:09:19 Drive I:\ (FAT) does not support single files > 4 GB W 22:09:19 Drive Q:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB W 22:09:19 Drive R:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB W 22:09:19 Drive T:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB I 22:09:19 Initialising SPTI... I 22:09:19 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 22:09:19 Found 1 CD-RW and 1 DVD?RW! I 22:26:13 Operation Started! I 22:26:13 Building Image Tree... I 22:26:13 Calculating Totals... I 22:26:13 Preparing Image... I 22:26:13 Image Size: 8,543,600,640 bytes I 22:26:13 Image Sectors: 4,171,680 I 22:26:13 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:00 I 22:41:54 Operation Started! I 22:41:54 Corrected conflicting settings for DVD Video disc. I 22:41:54 Building Image Tree... I 22:41:54 Corrected file system selection for DVD Video disc. I 22:41:54 Checking Directory Depth... I 22:41:54 Calculating Totals... I 22:41:54 Preparing Image... W 22:41:54 ISO9660 Directory: [name omitted] W 22:41:54 ISO9660 File: [name omitted] [... snipped other directory/file messages] W 22:42:04 Unable to find any cells that could be used for the layer break! I 22:42:04 Checking Path Length... I 22:42:04 Image Size: 8,543,633,408 bytes I 22:42:04 Image Sectors: 4,171,696 I 22:42:04 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:09 I 22:46:10 Operation Started! I 22:46:10 Building Image Tree... I 22:46:10 Checking Directory Depth... I 22:46:10 Calculating Totals... I 22:46:10 Preparing Image... W 22:41:54 ISO9660 Directory: [name omitted] W 22:41:54 ISO9660 File: [name omitted] [... snipped other directory/file messages] W 22:46:14 Unable to find any cells that could be used for the layer break! I 22:46:14 Checking Path Length... I 22:46:14 Image Size: 8,543,633,408 bytes I 22:46:14 Image Sectors: 4,171,696 I 22:46:46 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:36 I 22:46:46 Operation Started! I 22:46:46 Source File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==- I 22:46:46 Source File Sectors: 4,171,696 (MODE1/2048) I 22:46:46 Source File Size: 8,543,633,408 bytes I 22:46:46 Source File Volume Identifier: PLP I 22:46:46 Source File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.1.0.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER! I 22:46:46 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn I 22:46:46 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02) I 22:46:46 Destination Device: [1:0:0] SONY DVD RW DRU-710A BY03 (F:) (ATA) I 22:46:46 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: MKM-001-00) (Speeds: 2.4x) I 22:46:46 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824 I 22:46:46 Write Mode: DVD I 22:46:46 Write Type: DAO I 22:46:46 Write Speed: 2.4x I 22:46:46 Link Size: Auto I 22:46:46 Test Mode: No I 22:46:46 BURN-Proof: Enabled I 22:46:46 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,085,856 I 22:46:46 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: ECC Block Boundary I 22:47:25 Filling Buffer... I 22:47:26 Writing LeadIn... I 22:47:28 Writing Image... I 22:47:28 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2085855) I 23:08:37 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 2085856 - 4171695) I 23:29:51 Synchronising Cache... I 23:29:54 Closing Track... I 23:29:55 Finalising Disc... W 23:30:04 Potential 'WaitImmediateIO' Deferred Error - (0/2) - Session Fixation Error Writing Lead In W 23:34:07 Potential 'WaitImmediateIO' Deferred Error - (0/2) - Session Fixation Error Writing Lead Out E 23:34:17 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Session Fixation Error Writing Lead Out I 23:34:17 Image MD5: d8e04ae7323f5fdef66571a791605d96 I 23:34:18 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:47:31 I 23:34:18 Average Write Rate: 3,280 KB/s (2.4x) - Maximum Write Rate: 3,413 KB/s (2.5x) -------------- This DVD has a VIDEO_TS folder plus other folders to fill out the unused space from the video DVD. I have burned similar DVDs (DVD-R and DVD+RW) successfully with imgburn. Interestingly, the DVD video portion of the disc seems to play find in my standalone DVD player. I can play the audio tracks (FLAC) fine in my MediaMonkey application, and I can access the files via Windows Explorer. However, Advanced Checksum Verifier (an MD5 checksum utility) hangs when it tries to read the first file that it tries to check. I read old messages in the forum that were similar to my problem, but I didn't see any definite solutions. I tried manually closing the disc via tools / drive / close / disc, but nothing seemed to happen. I have just upgraded the drive's firmware to BYX5, but I don't want to try burning again until I hear what you guys have to say. (I bought a 3 pack of Verbatim's just to do some testing before buying a spindle, so each disc is very expensive!) Do you guys have any ideas why it might have failed or should I just try it again with the new firmware? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blutach Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 I suspect a firmware update might help - http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=1917 Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roylayer Posted November 2, 2006 Author Share Posted November 2, 2006 Thanks, Les. I have already upgraded my drive with the BYX5 firmware mentioned on that site (although I downloaded it from Sony since I am paranoid). I was just waiting to see what you and others thought before trying it again with the new firmware. I guess it's time to potentially sacrifice a new disc. ;-) I'll test it out tomorrow. Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfcrule1972 Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 W 22:41:54 ISO9660 Directory: [name omitted]W 22:41:54 ISO9660 File: [name omitted][... snipped other directory/file messages] W 22:46:14 Unable to find any cells that could be used for the layer break! I haven't burnt more than 20 Dual Layers but this message would worry me, the other discs that you burnt successfully - did they have this message too ? Like I said it might be nothing but you seem to be like me and would rather not see an expensive dual layer coaster ! If your firmware was quite old it could be as easy as the update blu suggested and you have already performed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blutach Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 I 22:46:14 Image Sectors: 4,171,696I 22:46:46 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824 The reason for that cruley is the bloody disk almost full to the brim. It may be that he needs to split a cell to achieve a layer break. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfcrule1972 Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 Ah thanks for that blu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roylayer Posted November 2, 2006 Author Share Posted November 2, 2006 W 22:41:54 ISO9660 Directory: [name omitted]W 22:41:54 ISO9660 File: [name omitted] [... snipped other directory/file messages] W 22:46:14 Unable to find any cells that could be used for the layer break! I haven't burnt more than 20 Dual Layers but this message would worry me, the other discs that you burnt successfully - did they have this message too ? Like I said it might be nothing but you seem to be like me and would rather not see an expensive dual layer coaster ! If your firmware was quite old it could be as easy as the update blu suggested and you have already performed. I don't know much about DL discs, but the disc I was burning had a VIDEO_TS folder that was 4.19 GB. Thus, it seems that it should fit on one layer and not need to be split. I was assuming that Imgburn would be smart enough to do the split on some other data file where it wouldn't be as noticeable as when watching the video DVD portion of the disc. I thought that the "Unable to find any cells that could be used for the layer break" message refered to not being able to find any such cells to split the video since it didn't need to split the video. Am I assuming too much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roylayer Posted November 2, 2006 Author Share Posted November 2, 2006 Next (failed) experiment: After updating my drive's firmware to BYX5, I tried burning another Verbatim DL disc. This time, I tried a straight data disc (i.e. no video_ts folder). Very similar result, although this time I only got the "lead out" error, not the "lead in" one. The disc has mpeg4 files on it that my standalone Philips DVD player can play, so I tested the disc in it. As far as I can tell, all of the files are playable on it. However, the DVD burner in PC does not even recognize the disc. Here is the log: I 08:46:55 ImgBurn Version 2.1.0.0 started! I 08:46:55 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2) W 08:46:55 Drive D:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB W 08:46:55 Drive I:\ (FAT) does not support single files > 4 GB W 08:46:55 Drive Q:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB W 08:46:55 Drive T:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB I 08:46:55 Initialising SPTI... I 08:46:55 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 08:46:55 Found 1 CD-RW and 1 DVD?RW! I 08:47:10 Operation Started! I 08:47:10 Building Image Tree... I 08:47:10 Checking Directory Depth... I 08:47:10 Calculating Totals... I 08:47:10 Preparing Image... W 08:47:10 ISO9660 Directory: [name omitted] W 08:47:10 ISO9660 File: [name omitted] [more directory and file messages] I 08:47:11 Checking Path Length... I 08:47:11 Image Size: 8,872,951,808 bytes I 08:47:11 Image Sectors: 4,332,496 I 08:47:11 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:00 I 08:48:27 Operation Started! I 08:48:27 Building Image Tree... I 08:48:27 Checking Directory Depth... I 08:48:27 Calculating Totals... I 08:48:27 Preparing Image... W 08:47:10 ISO9660 Directory: [name omitted] W 08:47:10 ISO9660 File: [name omitted] [more directory and file messages] I 08:48:27 Checking Path Length... I 08:48:27 Image Size: 8,505,982,976 bytes I 08:48:27 Image Sectors: 4,153,312 I 08:48:27 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:00 I 08:52:17 Operation Started! I 08:52:17 Building Image Tree... I 08:52:17 Checking Directory Depth... I 08:52:17 Calculating Totals... I 08:52:17 Preparing Image... W 08:47:10 ISO9660 Directory: [name omitted] W 08:47:10 ISO9660 File: [name omitted] [more directory and file messages] I 08:52:17 Checking Path Length... I 08:52:17 Image Size: 8,505,982,976 bytes I 08:52:17 Image Sectors: 4,153,312 I 08:52:35 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:18 I 08:52:35 Operation Started! I 08:52:35 Source File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==- I 08:52:35 Source File Sectors: 4,153,312 (MODE1/2048) I 08:52:35 Source File Size: 8,505,982,976 bytes I 08:52:35 Source File Volume Identifier: TV I 08:52:35 Source File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.1.0.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER! I 08:52:35 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn I 08:52:35 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02) I 08:52:35 Destination Device: [1:0:0] SONY DVD RW DRU-710A BYX5 (F:) (ATA) I 08:52:35 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: MKM-001-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x) I 08:52:35 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824 I 08:52:35 Write Mode: DVD I 08:52:35 Write Type: DAO I 08:52:35 Write Speed: 2.4x I 08:52:35 Link Size: Auto I 08:52:35 Test Mode: No I 08:52:35 BURN-Proof: Enabled I 08:52:35 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,076,656 I 08:52:35 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: ECC Block Boundary I 08:53:31 Filling Buffer... I 08:53:32 Writing LeadIn... I 08:53:34 Writing Image... I 08:53:34 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2076655) I 09:14:38 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 2076656 - 4153311) I 09:35:47 Synchronising Cache... I 09:35:49 Closing Track... I 09:35:50 Finalising Disc... W 09:36:11 Potential 'WaitImmediateIO' Deferred Error - (0/2) - Session Fixation Error Writing Lead Out E 09:39:07 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Session Fixation Error Writing Lead Out I 09:39:07 Image MD5: ca2b3d6f0e9c7d598e4206013539c020 I 09:39:07 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:46:32 I 09:39:07 Average Write Rate: 3,280 KB/s (2.4x) - Maximum Write Rate: 3,413 KB/s (2.5x) ------ This is frustrating. I am going to try burning to another brand, but the consensus here seems to be that Verbatim is one of the best, and it is also recommended by Sony for this drive. Does anyone have any other ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blutach Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 So, you got lotsa DVD ROM files, yes? There should be no issue of the disk breaking at or in any DVD ROM file, I don't think. Does the image get built if you build to ISO and not to device? Also, try to close the disk manually thru the tools menu. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roylayer Posted November 2, 2006 Author Share Posted November 2, 2006 Good, I didn't think DVD ROM files should be affected by the layer break. Thanks for that. I tried to close the disc manually, but nothing seemed to happen - no message... nothing! I haven't tried building an ISO first. That is a good idea. I will give that a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roylayer Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share Posted November 3, 2006 I successfully burned my first DL disc... a TDK! Then I tried a similar burn with a Verbatim, and it failed. Score so far: TDK - 1 out of 1, Verbatim - 0 out of 3. I am running more tests now and will let you know what I find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roylayer Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share Posted November 3, 2006 OK. I just successfully burned a TDK disc with the exact same contents, under the exact same conditions that failed with my last Verbatim disc. Here are the tests that I've done so far: Test# Disc Type Reboot File system Full Contents Result 1 Verbatim n iso9660+udf y video_ts error in finalizing - lead in and out 2 Verbatim n iso9660+udf y files error in finalizing - lead out 3 TDK y udf n files ok 4 Verbatim y udf n files error in finalizing - lead out 5 TDK y udf n files ok. (identical files to test 4) Reboot: Whether I rebooted before burning. (Note: Extraneous tasks were shut down for all tests.) Full: I normally use a program called Burn to the Brim to fill up discs as much as possible. "y" means space was 100% used. "n" means that I filled it to about 98% capacity. From these tests, it sure looks like the burner likes TDK and not Verbatim. That is strange because Verbatim seems to be one of the prefered brands in this forum. Some possibilities: 1) Maybe the real manufacturer of the Verbatims is different for their 3 packs than for their spindles. I've seen things like that happen with CD-Rs. 2) Maybe Verbatim has changed their manufacturer from a good one to a bad one recently. 3) Maybe my Sony burner simply works better with TDKs. That seems strange because their documentation says that Verbatim is a prefered brand for their drive. (Of course, possibilities 1 and 2 could have negated that.) OTOH, TDK is one of the brands that works consistently well for my single layer burns using the same burner, so maybe that isn't surprising. I thought you guys might be interested in my findings. I'll let you know if I learn anything more. Roy P.S. Sorry for the bad format of the "test table." They showed up in separate columns when I composed the note, but the rows were collapsed when I posted it. (I guess this BBS doesn't handle tabs well.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIGHTNING UK! Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 If you're burning non DVD Video data too, there is an option for where you want the DVD Video data to be positioned. Either at the start, mixed in or at the end. It defaults to mixed in. So although your VIDEO_TS folder might be quite small (and fit on 1 layer), some of the other stuff is probably pushing it over the edge. When it does / can fit on 1 layer, ImgBurn IS clever enough to know that it doesn't need splitting across the layer break. So perhaps you just need to play around with the 'Folder Content Location' option on the 'Build' tab in the settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roylayer Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share Posted November 3, 2006 Thanks, LUK. I will play around with that setting. Imgburn sure is flexible. I like that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blutach Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Also, if you are in the US, you need to be aware that some Verbatims are made by Prodisc and are inferior to the ones made by CMC (believe it or not). In any event, look for Made in Singapore (or Japan) on the packaging. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roylayer Posted November 4, 2006 Author Share Posted November 4, 2006 Believe it or not, my failed Verbatims were made in Singapore. Very strange! Here's another oddity that happened in connection with this exercise: Yesterday, I went to erase two DVD-RWs, but the burner failed with both of them. Since the only thing that I've changed recently is the firmware, I reverted to my old firmware, and then they erased with no problem. Arghh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blutach Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Well, it could be the burner just doesn't like the media. I have not heard report that a 710A doesn't like Verbatims. You might actually have a problem with the burner - or a bad batch of Verbs. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roylayer Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 Too many strange things were happening, so I finally bought a new burner. Guess what? No problems now! So it looks like all of my problems on this thread were actually due to a burner that was in the processing of self-destructing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfcrule1972 Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Thanks for the update, was a bit there that Verbs were going the way of Riteks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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