Tayo Yuden's Failing

[Kenadjian]

What happens if you don't restart the computer just before the burn?

 

Do you make coasters?

[Tom Saurus]

lfcrule1972: I haven't had the fresh install done yet. I am saving for a new computer to take some of the burden off my existing one. Once I have it up and running, and have everything backed up off of the C Drive, I will have the technician do a re-install of Windows XP Pro.

 

Kenadjian: Most of the time I was getting discs that would burn but fail during the verify stage. I did have one failed burn last night even after restarting the computer, but the disc only had a slight flaw and I sat down and watched it. I was able to have three successful burns this morning, so I am hoping the failure after restarting was just an isolated incident. I am hoping I will be able to get the second computer built soon, and have this one worked on and perhaps I will get many more years out of it.

[lfcrule1972]

The burns that fail to verify are they watchable ?

[Kenadjian]

Ah, ok, thanks for coming back to me, although I would have thought that the verification would be more due to media related issues, and maybe drive rather than anything else.

 

Anyway, good luck with the new gear.

[Tom Saurus]

A New Wrinkle Has Developed: I seem to be able to write and verify the DVD, and the program says it has completed the task successfully, then when a person presses OK, it is revealed in the disc information box that the disc is Incomplete. A person can play the DVD in there DVD player, but the computer drive says that there is nothing on the disc. Does anyone have a clue what is going on? The name I gave the ISO doesn't even show up when I go to my computer, when I look at the icon for the DVD drive, that is when ImagBurn says the disc is incomplete.

[Kenadjian]

Tom, as usual, we need a log to see what's going on.

 

(The complete log please.)

[Tom Saurus]

Here is the log:

 

I 12:31:32 ImgBurn Version 2.1.0.0 started!

I 12:31:32 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)

I 12:31:32 Initialising SPTI...

I 12:31:32 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 12:31:32 Found 1 DVD?RW!

I 12:31:38 Operation Started!

I 12:31:38 Source File: F:\Video Projects\Movie DVD 1219.iso

I 12:31:38 Source File Sectors: 1,435,632 (MODE1/2048)

I 12:31:38 Source File Size: 2,940,174,336 bytes

I 12:31:38 Source File Volume Identifier: MOVIE_DVD_1219

I 12:31:38 Source File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.1.0.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!

I 12:31:38 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn

I 12:31:38 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 12:31:38 Destination Device: [1:0:0] _NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG 2.1B (D:) (ATA)

I 12:31:38 Destination Media Type: DVD+R (Disc ID: YUDEN000-T02-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x)

I 12:31:38 Destination Media Sectors: 2,295,104

I 12:31:38 Write Mode: DVD

I 12:31:38 Write Type: DAO

I 12:31:38 Write Speed: 8x

I 12:31:38 Link Size: Auto

I 12:31:38 Test Mode: No

I 12:31:38 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 12:31:39 Filling Buffer...

I 12:31:40 Writing LeadIn...

I 12:32:00 Writing Image...

I 12:40:26 Synchronising Cache...

I 12:40:27 Closing Track...

I 12:40:41 Finalising Disc...

I 12:40:56 Image MD5: 2e8e8f1a702f53235fe94150989eecc4

I 12:40:57 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:09:18

I 12:40:57 Average Write Rate: 5,674 KB/s (4.1x) - Maximum Write Rate: 8,638 KB/s (6.2x)

I 12:40:57 Cycling Tray before Verify...

I 12:41:25 Device Ready!

I 12:41:25 Operation Started!

I 12:41:25 Source Device: [1:0:0] _NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG 2.1B (D:) (ATA)

I 12:41:25 Source Media Type: DVD+R (Book Type: DVD+R) (Disc ID: YUDEN000-T02-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x)

I 12:41:25 Image File: F:\Video Projects\Movie DVD 1219.iso

I 12:41:25 Image File Sectors: 1,435,632 (MODE1/2048)

I 12:41:25 Image File Size: 2,940,174,336 bytes

I 12:41:25 Image File Volume Identifier: MOVIE_DVD_1219

I 12:41:25 Image File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.1.0.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!

I 12:41:25 Image File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn

I 12:41:25 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 12:41:25 Verifying Sectors...

I 12:45:09 Device MD5: 2e8e8f1a702f53235fe94150989eecc4

I 12:45:09 Image MD5: 2e8e8f1a702f53235fe94150989eecc4

I 12:45:09 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:03:44

I 12:45:09 Average Verify Rate: 12,818 KB/s (9.3x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 17,123 KB/s (12.4x)

 

Here is what the display panel in ImagBurn says about the disc, once it has been written and verified:

 

_NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG 2.1B (ATA)

Current Profile: DVD+R

 

Disc Information:

Status: Incomplete

Erasable: No

Sessions: 1

Free Sectors: 854,352

Free Space: 1,749,712,896 bytes

Free Time: 189:53:27 (MM:SS:FF)

Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x

 

Physical Format Information (ADIP):

Disc ID: YUDEN000-T02-00

Book Type: DVD+R

Part Version: 1

Disc Size: 120mm

Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified

Number of Layers: 1

Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)

Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit

Track Density: 0.74 um/track

First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608

Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,491,711

Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0

 

This has me concerned; as I like my disc to be acessable on my computer at a later date, incase I need to copy the disc or put the data back on the hard drive. Thank you in advance for whatever information you can give me concerning this matter.

[Kenadjian]

Even tho the log shows finalization, it doesn't seem to have worked, you can try to close the disc manually via the tools>drive>close option.

 

Also, there is a firmware update your drive that may fix the problem.

 

http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?cate...p;manufactor=23

[polopony]

Even tho the log shows finalization, it doesn't seem to have worked, you can try to close the disc manually via the tools>drive>close option.

 

Also, there is a firmware update your drive that may fix the problem.

 

http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?cate...p;manufactor=23

 

although it says new I believe that the 2.1b is the newest for the 3500 the 2.58 is a rehash of the old 2.18 strategy it also takes you to an HP site

[Tom Saurus]

I updated the firmware to 2.06 and I shouldn't have. Now my burner doesn't recognize the Maxell Discs that I use to put my friend's stuff on. These are Maxell Discs manufactured by Ritek, and now I have about 40 discs that can't be recognized by the burner. I tried installing the 2.1B firmware and I can't do it, it says it can't find the drive. I don't know how to get out of this mess. Thanks in advance to anyone that can give me some advice on how to get back to the 2.1B firmware.

[dontasciime]

you have updated it to being a packard bell, the 2.58 should be the only other firmware you can use for that drive now, you will need to use an unofficial flasher now.

 

not sure about nec drives but having a look around for some more info on crossflashing etc.

 

 

 

you may be able to use this to go to 21a then go back to try 21b back to where you started

 

http://rapidshare.com/files/11695031/3500W21A.ZIP.html

 

 

edit don't think you have gone upto packard bell now after having another look, however if yur still saying it will not let you upgrade firmware, they way you tried then give the firmware i listed ago.

Edited January 14, 2007 by dontasciime

[Kenadjian]

Why on earth would you have gone back to 2.06? Anyway, did you reboot after the last flash?

 

There is no reason why you shoudn't be able to flash it back to 2.1B.

[dontasciime]

@ken if the 21b is official nec firmware and he has flashed it to packard bell, then the checksum to see what drive is, is whats stopping him, as official is saying no compatible drive found or words similar.

 

 

edit as in previous post, don't think you flashed to packrd bell.

 

but something is making your drive not allow you to revert back to where you were

Edited January 14, 2007 by dontasciime

[Tom Saurus]

dontasciime: I downloaded 21A and the computer accepted it. According to ImagBurn I have 21A as my firmware. Thank you for your help on this issue. Here is some information about the Maxell Discs, my friend bought them in a store and they are obviously made by Ritek. I have been able to place stuff on these discs in the past, but due to the Disc ID, I am now having problems. I am going to try 21B again, but if it still doesn't like these discs, I won't be able to write data to them. Here is the information from ImagBurn:

 

_NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG 2.1A (ATA)

Current Profile: DVD-R

 

Disc Information:

Status: Empty

Erasable: No

Free Sectors: 2,297,888

Free Space: 4,706,074,624 bytes

Free Time: 510:40:38 (MM:SS:FF)

Supported Write Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x

 

Pre-recorded Information:

Manufacturer ID: RITEKF1

 

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):

Disc ID: 0@P-!-00

Book Type: DVD-R

Part Version: 5

Disc Size: 120mm

Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified

Number of Layers: 1

Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)

Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit

Track Density: 0.74 um/track

First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608

Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,495,103

Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0

 

Last time I tried writing to this type of disc, the burner wouldn't even complete the lead in before it rejected it. It said something like this disc type is not supported.

[Tom Saurus]

I now have 21B installed. I just burned an ISO to a Maxell Disc manufactured by Ritek and it turned out successfully. Thank you Kenadjian, dontasciime and polopony for the information you have provided. I am relieved that now I can put stuff on the Ritek Discs for my friend as well and the Taiyo Yudens I have purchased for my own use.

[volvofl10]

did you ever try the Taiyos in another computer ? if not, then you didnt eliminate the possibility of the spindle of discs being a bad batch .

 

having just read thru the whole thread, im inclined/tempted to say it WAS a bad batch of discs off the same spindle

[lfcrule1972]

That RitekF1 dye is shocking - check out the media forum......

 

http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=539

[Tom Saurus]

volvofl10: I have bought several spindles of dvd's since this problem with the Taiyo Yuden's failing. Other brands of discs have failed as well. A local computer technician is building me a computer as soon as I fork over the check. It is going to have a E6400 Dual Core CPU and a Pioneer Burner in it. If I still have failures then I think I might just give up on computing. Since if you have good quality discs, a good quality computer and things still don't turn out, then it is pretty much a waste of time to keep continuing to pour money into the effort. Thank you for your input.

 

Ifcrule1972: My friend thought these discs might save him some money, and I know they don't have a good media code to them, but I have had as much success with them as I have had with my geniune Taiyo Yudens. I am kind of perplexed over the whole situation. Thank you for your input.

 

I don't know what this means but lately I have noticed that sometimes on a successful burn that during the verify stage, that the drive when it is reading the burn, is will slow way down even as low as 0.0 and then gradually build itself up again to 4.5 and 11.0, ect until it is finally finished. I checked this discs with the nero error checking program, and the disc has no errors, but it seems it hits a point and it slows down as well, until it has got passed that spot and then builds up its speed again to reveal no errors on the disc.

[lfcrule1972]

If all programs are slowing down when reading/verifying that disc I would suggest that the drive is having problems reading them Again typically this would be because of either poor media (especially if all progs are struggling at the same part of the disc) or dodgy drive (if the slow downs are random even on the same disc).

[Tom Saurus]

Update: I got my other computer today. It has a Pioneer DVD Burner. I burned a disc and here are some results:

 

Image Burn Log:

 

I 07:23:26 ImgBurn Version 2.1.0.0 started!

I 07:23:26 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)

I 07:23:26 Initialising SPTI...

I 07:23:26 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 07:23:26 Found 1 DVD?RW!

I 07:24:15 Operation Started!

I 07:24:15 Source File: C:\Two Pints Series 03 Disc 01.iso

I 07:24:15 Source File Sectors: 2,034,768 (MODE1/2048)

I 07:24:15 Source File Size: 4,167,204,864 bytes

I 07:24:15 Source File Volume Identifier: TWO_PINTS_SERIES_03__DISC_01

I 07:24:15 Source File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.1.0.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!

I 07:24:15 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn

I 07:24:15 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 07:24:15 Destination Device: [0:0:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-111D 1.23 (D:) (ATA)

I 07:24:15 Destination Media Type: DVD+R (Disc ID: YUDEN000-T02-00) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x)

I 07:24:15 Destination Media Sectors: 2,295,104

I 07:24:15 Write Mode: DVD

I 07:24:15 Write Type: DAO

I 07:24:15 Write Speed: 4x

I 07:24:15 Link Size: Auto

I 07:24:15 Test Mode: No

I 07:24:15 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 07:24:15 Filling Buffer...

I 07:24:16 Writing LeadIn...

I 07:24:34 Writing Image...

I 07:37:09 Synchronising Cache...

I 07:37:10 Closing Track...

I 07:37:12 Finalising Disc...

I 07:38:07 Image MD5: da5afd4eb9a84904bd10452dbf10cd58

I 07:38:07 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:13:51

I 07:38:07 Average Write Rate: 5,397 KB/s (3.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 5,592 KB/s (4.0x)

I 07:38:07 Cycling Tray before Verify...

I 07:38:25 Device Ready!

I 07:38:25 Operation Started!

I 07:38:25 Source Device: [0:0:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-111D 1.23 (D:) (ATA)

I 07:38:25 Source Media Type: DVD+R (Book Type: DVD+R) (Disc ID: YUDEN000-T02-00) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x)

I 07:38:25 Image File: C:\Two Pints Series 03 Disc 01.iso

I 07:38:25 Image File Sectors: 2,034,768 (MODE1/2048)

I 07:38:25 Image File Size: 4,167,204,864 bytes

I 07:38:25 Image File Volume Identifier: TWO_PINTS_SERIES_03__DISC_01

I 07:38:25 Image File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.1.0.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!

I 07:38:25 Image File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn

I 07:38:25 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 07:38:25 Verifying Sectors...

I 07:44:21 Device MD5: da5afd4eb9a84904bd10452dbf10cd58

I 07:44:21 Image MD5: da5afd4eb9a84904bd10452dbf10cd58

I 07:44:21 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:05:56

I 07:44:21 Average Verify Rate: 11,431 KB/s (8.3x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 16,515 KB/s (11.9x)

 

Here is some text from a scan by Nero:

 

General Information

Drive: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-111D

Firmware: 1.23

Disc: DVD+R (YUDEN000 T02)

Selected speed: 8 X

PI errors

Maximum: 58

Average: 17.06

Total: 186552

PI failures

Maximum: 28

Average: 0.06

Total: 440

PO failures: n/a

Jitter: n/a

Scanning Statistics

Elapsed time: 25:21

Number of samples: 15895

Average scanning interval: 8.00 ECC

Glitches removed: 0

 

The Scan Disc test in Nero indicated not one single error.

 

I image these PI Failures and Errors probably mean something significant; but at the moment I am accepting this as a good burn and taking comfort in that.

[kevdriver]

Tom, looks like a fairly good burn. One thing the firmware for your drive is now at 1.29. Best to flash your drive with the updated firmware. www.rpc1.org That pioneer drive will auto booktype those DVD+Rs to DVD-ROM, this is okay as most bought DVDs are booked as ROMs since 99% of stand alone players read these fine.

[lfcrule1972]

You can also flash that Pioneer drive from a DVR-111D to the slightly more expensive DVR-111 with DVD-Ram capabilities. If that would be any use to you check out my post here, it's a little confused but the links are correct and the final link to a post by the Dangerous Bros over at cdfreaks gives you the correct procedure. I did mine using this method and it works !

 

http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?s=&...ost&p=37810

[kevdriver]

Tom, just to confirm what lfc was saying about flashing your drive......... just did mine several minutes ago and it works like a charm...........