Aten Posted February 17, 2007 Posted February 17, 2007 (edited) Hi there. My first post. Recently installed DVD Decrypter, DVD Shrink and ImgBurn. Very impressed with all 3 esp Imgburn. Been using only the 4.7gb dvd-r Disks (Taiyo Yuden). No touble so far, been working like a charm until i recently decided to purchase some 8gb Umedisk dvd dl +r. Had three coatsers in a row after using decrypter and then burning with imgburn. Using a LG GSA 4163b Drive with latest firmware (A105). This paticular firware suposedly supports Ume (Aml 002 0) but then i noticed that the Umedisk i purchased hav ADVDInfo: RICOHJPND01. Perhaps this could be the reason why the disks are coasting and not the fact that i hav a bad batch. Got decent pc specs with windows xp home. Ive included the log info for those who know how to read this cryptic stuff lol: I 18:07:07 DVD Decrypter Version 3.5.4.0 started! I 18:07:07 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2) I 18:07:07 Initialising SPTI... I 18:07:07 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 18:07:07 Found 1 DVD-ROM/CD-RW and 1 DVD-RAM/?RW! I 18:08:50 Operation Started! I 18:08:50 Source File: C:\Documents and Settings\stewart\My Documents\My Videos\DVD ISO\DONNIE_DARKO.iso I 18:08:50 Source File Sectors: 2,150,464 (MODE1/2048) I 18:08:50 Source File Size: 4,404,150,272 bytes I 18:08:50 Source File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.1.0.0 I 18:08:50 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn I 18:08:50 Destination Device: [2:0:0] HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B A105 (D:) (ATA) I 18:08:50 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RICOHJPN-D01-67) (Speeds: 2.4x) I 18:08:50 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824 I 18:08:50 Write Mode: DVD I 18:08:50 Write Type: SAO I 18:08:50 Write Speed: MAX I 18:08:50 Link Size: Auto I 18:08:50 Test Mode: No I 18:08:50 BURN-Proof: Enabled I 18:08:50 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1,075,552 I 18:08:50 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: ECC Block Boundary, VOBU Boundary I 18:09:28 Filling Buffer... I 18:09:28 Writing LeadIn... W 18:09:28 Failed to Write Sectors 32 - 63 - Invalid Address For Write W 18:09:28 Retrying (1 of 20)... W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:09:28 Retrying (2 of 20)... W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:09:28 Retrying (3 of 20)... W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:09:28 Retrying (4 of 20)... W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:09:28 Retrying (5 of 20)... W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:09:28 Retrying (6 of 20)... W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:09:28 Retrying (7 of 20)... W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:09:28 Retrying (8 of 20)... W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:09:28 Retrying (9 of 20)... W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:09:28 Retrying (10 of 20)... W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:09:28 Retrying (11 of 20)... W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:09:28 Retrying (12 of 20)... W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:09:28 Retrying (13 of 20)... W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:09:28 Retrying (14 of 20)... W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:09:28 Retrying (15 of 20)... W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:09:28 Retrying (16 of 20)... W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:09:28 Retrying (17 of 20)... W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:09:28 Retrying (18 of 20)... W 18:09:29 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:09:29 Retrying (19 of 20)... W 18:09:29 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:09:29 Retrying (20 of 20)... W 18:09:29 Retry Failed! - Invalid Address For Write E 18:09:37 Failed to Write Sectors 32 - 63 - Invalid Address For Write I 18:09:37 Synchronising Cache... I 18:09:38 Closing Track... I 18:09:42 Finalising Disc... Would really appreciate any help as i need to see if i can return these umediscs to the supplier. Btw i just did some research and found that the best dvd dl +r disks to use with my drive are called MITSUBISHI KAGAKU. Are they any relation to TY or MKM or Verbatim? RushOrDie Edited February 18, 2007 by RushOrDie
digidragon Posted February 18, 2007 Posted February 18, 2007 You're right about the discs. Although RICOHJPN are normally pretty good for single layer discs, most people here will tell you that the only reliable DVD+DL discs are Verbatims (MKM-001-00). MKM = Mitsubishi Kagaku Media
dontasciime Posted February 18, 2007 Posted February 18, 2007 Still the only consistent choice Verbatim MKM
Aten Posted February 18, 2007 Author Posted February 18, 2007 Thanks for the input but could i also ask if my log file breakdown is consistent with some sort of conflict between the Ume media and my dvd drive? Could i also ask if theres an alternative DVD DL disk aside from the verbatims that would be compat with my LG 4163b drive. I find the VB DL to be slightly out of my price range. ?1.70 a disk is reasonable but you would hav thought by now that they would hav come down after the release of Blu Ray and HD DVD formats. One last thing. As Dvd Decypter has been discontinued for sometime now is it as effective as it was then as it is now, what with new securities being updated and released. Does any1 hav any recomendations and if not im happy to stick with it.
dontasciime Posted February 18, 2007 Posted February 18, 2007 You could try loads of dual layer and when they don't work cost you more than getting ones that do work AKA Verbatim. For the 2nd question I am afraid you will have to google an alternative to DD
Aten Posted February 18, 2007 Author Posted February 18, 2007 You could try loads of dual layer and when they don't work cost you more than getting ones that do work AKA Verbatim. dontasciime, 1) Yeah your probably right about this. Although if anyone else is using a LG 4163b dvd drive please let me know if you are having any success with other dvd DL medias aside from Verbatim and MKM. Umediscs seem to crash and burn for me. 2) Im a great advocate of googling but in this case based on such a great site and knowledge base is it possible to ask if DD even has a freeware alternative. 3) On a seperate not despite setting up my avatar in profile settings why doesnt it appear in my posts under user name?
cornholio7 Posted February 18, 2007 Posted February 18, 2007 with reference to question 2, we are not allowed to discuss ripping software on this forum so google is your friend here. did your avatar meet the criteria ? was it maybe too big in size ?
polopony Posted February 18, 2007 Posted February 18, 2007 You could try loads of dual layer and when they don't work cost you more than getting ones that do work AKA Verbatim. dontasciime, 1) Yeah your probably right about this. Although if anyone else is using a LG 4163b dvd drive please let me know if you are having any success with other dvd DL medias aside from Verbatim and MKM. Umediscs seem to crash and burn for me. 2) Im a great advocate of googling but in this case based on such a great site and knowledge base is it possible to ask if DD even has a freeware alternative. 3) On a seperate not despite setting up my avatar in profile settings why doesnt it appear in my posts under user name? #1 after much testing Verbatim dual layer discs are the ONLY discs that work right all others are inferior and most of the time cant even be burned to completion #2 we cant offer you any advice on bypassing copyright protection or any programs that can, its a legal issue and the ability to rip was what put the author in trouble and put an end to decrypter
Aten Posted February 18, 2007 Author Posted February 18, 2007 (edited) Thanks for the input guys and girls. 2) Im a great advocate of googling but in this case based on such a great site and knowledge base is it possible to ask if DD even has afreeware alternative. Im actually aware of the site rules which is why i meant q2 to be kinda vague. How about if i rephrase without any legal ramifications. Is it in my interest to google an alternative FREEWARE to the before-mentioned program. Not asking for a name, just yes or no. Regardless of the answer i ll never ask this question again. Can i just say that this is one of the best forums ive been to. Clean manageable inteface, Great Profileing and quick replies. Used to think ZA forum was impressive... Where the hell was i when imgburn was doing it stuff back in 05. Man ive been missing out. Edited February 18, 2007 by RushOrDie
digidragon Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 Yes, you will find some freeware to do what you want. This, and the previous forum, is (was) excellent. There is seldom a post that goes without an answer. And the Beta guys here are very helpful and very knowledgable.
Aten Posted February 19, 2007 Author Posted February 19, 2007 Using a LG GSA 4163b Drive with latest firmware (A105). This paticular firware suposedly supports Ume (Aml 002 0) but then i noticedthat the Umedisk i purchased hav ADVDInfo: RICOHJPND01. Perhaps this could be the reason why the disks are coasting and not the fact that i hav a bad batch. Did a little checking and it looks like these DL UmeDisks ADVDInfo: RICOHJPND01 are not supported or at least favoured by my LG Drive. Im considering one more attempt but with NERO instead of ImgBurn. Would this make much of a difference because i saw the same I/0 error in DD? Not suprised with those results as DD uses the same burn engine more or less.
Shamus_McFartfinger Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 Did a little checking and it looks like these DL UmeDisks ADVDInfo: RICOHJPND01 are not supported or at least favoured by my LG Drive. Imconsidering one more attempt but with NERO instead of ImgBurn. Would this make much of a difference because i saw the same I/0 error in DD? Not suprised with those results as DD uses the same burn engine more or less. In reality it shouldn't make any difference. Afterall, your drive is ultimately responsible for what is burned to disk. ImgBurn or Ner0 or whatever are just the interfaces that tell your hardware how to behave and to do as it's told. If the drive and media have a compatibility problem, the choice of burning program is irrelevant.
Aten Posted February 19, 2007 Author Posted February 19, 2007 (edited) Been browsing through the support section. Came across some chatter regarding PgcEdit. Need to confirm something. Bascially, I thought the reason why my DL +R Umedisks were coasting were probably related to an incompatibilty with my DVD drive. No one definitively confirmed this based on my log which is why im wondering, could the coasters hav anything to do with not using PgcEdit to restrucuture the dvd? Now i think ive been using a 1:1 reading program (DVD Decrypter) and being left with an ISO and a MDs File so this shouldnt even be an issue. Just hoping to eliminate all possibilites and be as close to 100% certainty if pos. This guy had all the right media and so fourth but it wasnt until he rebuilt the layer breaks b4 he could get good burns. Why would a program not make a clone of whats it copying and need to be restructured in the case of DL media??? Am i making sense or hav i spent too much time scanning though the support sections lol. Edited February 21, 2007 by RushOrDie
jack Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 Not sure what thread you are referring to, but if you have created the ISO using DVDD then you should be fine to burn it straight back using the MDS file as it will contain all the info about layer break etc that you need. The problems you are having are certainly due to the piss poor media you are using and you could use a gallon of petrol and a big box of matches and still not get a decent burn. As the others have said, Verbs are the way to go on dual layer. I know it's a real pisser when you have a stack of crap dual layers that you want to use but the best thing to do if you cant exchange them is offer them to a ninja as cut price shurikens!! "Hi Ho, Hi Ho, its off to buy verbs I go!"
lfcrule1972 Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 I agree with all the fella's above don't even bother trying Dual Layer burns without the Verbatim DVD+R DL's ( DO NOT BUY THE DVD-R DL's). Check out the Drives/Media area where different drives have burnt DL media, only the Verbatims stand up to the tests consistently....
Aten Posted February 21, 2007 Author Posted February 21, 2007 (edited) Just discovered a firmware update for my LG GSA-4163b that wasnt listed with LG's US or European driver site. Upgraded from A105 > A106. As a result i decided to try and burn those DL UmeDiscs out of curiosity. Same prob as b4 i think. Heres the info: Inc Log: I 18:36:47 ImgBurn Version 2.1.0.0 started! I 18:36:47 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2) I 18:36:47 Initialising SPTI... I 18:36:47 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 18:36:47 Found 1 DVD?RW/RAM! I 18:42:11 Operation Started! I 18:42:11 Source File: X:\BROKEN_FLOWERS\BROKEN_FLOWERS.MDS I 18:42:11 Source File Sectors: 3,368,607 (MODE1/2048) I 18:42:11 Source File Size: 6,898,907,136 bytes I 18:42:11 Source File Volume Identifier: BROKEN_FLOWERS I 18:42:11 Source File Implementation Identifier: Spruce Technologies I 18:42:11 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02) I 18:42:11 Destination Device: [2:0:0] HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B A106 (D:) (ATA) I 18:42:11 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RICOHJPN-D01-67) (Speeds: 2.4x) I 18:42:11 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824 I 18:42:12 Write Mode: DVD I 18:42:12 Write Type: DAO I 18:42:12 Write Speed: 2.4x I 18:42:12 Link Size: Auto I 18:42:12 Test Mode: No I 18:42:12 BURN-Proof: Enabled I 18:42:12 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1,688,720 I 18:42:12 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: Copied From Original Disc I 18:42:48 Filling Buffer... I 18:42:48 Writing LeadIn... W 18:42:48 Failed to Write Sectors 32 - 63 - Invalid Address For Write W 18:42:48 Retrying (1 of 20)... W 18:42:48 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:42:48 Retrying (2 of 20)... W 18:42:48 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:42:48 Retrying (3 of 20)... W 18:42:48 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:42:48 Retrying (4 of 20)... W 18:42:48 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:42:48 Retrying (5 of 20)... W 18:42:48 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:42:48 Retrying (6 of 20)... W 18:42:48 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:42:48 Retrying (7 of 20)... W 18:42:48 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:42:48 Retrying (8 of 20)... W 18:42:48 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:42:48 Retrying (9 of 20)... W 18:42:48 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:42:48 Retrying (10 of 20)... W 18:42:48 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:42:48 Retrying (11 of 20)... W 18:42:48 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:42:48 Retrying (12 of 20)... W 18:42:48 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:42:48 Retrying (13 of 20)... W 18:42:48 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:42:48 Retrying (14 of 20)... W 18:42:48 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:42:48 Retrying (15 of 20)... W 18:42:48 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:42:48 Retrying (16 of 20)... W 18:42:48 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:42:48 Retrying (17 of 20)... W 18:42:48 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:42:48 Retrying (18 of 20)... W 18:42:48 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:42:48 Retrying (19 of 20)... W 18:42:48 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write W 18:42:48 Retrying (20 of 20)... W 18:42:48 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write E 18:42:50 Failed to Write Sectors 32 - 63 - Invalid Address For Write E 18:42:50 Next Writable Address: 0 I 18:42:50 Synchronising Cache... I 18:42:51 Closing Track... I 18:42:55 Finalising Disc... E 19:18:12 Failed to Write Image! E 19:18:12 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:36:00 I 19:18:12 Average Write Rate: 0 KB/s (0.0x) - Maximum Write Rate: 0 KB/s (0.0x) Sits there and takes about 40mins to Finalise. Why would it do that if the disk cant be burned to. When i tried to cancel Imgburn it had to be shut down via taskmanager and pc needed to be reset b4 i could pull the disk from the drive. Didnt mention b4 but want to be thorough this time. I know the media is pretty shoddy but are u guys sure its not something else? Ive seen some talk about changing the booktype but since i hav an LG player this is done automatically right? Under book type window (in my settings) > LG tab Change For: is set at Please Select... and the same for New Setting: PS. Do i not hav to change these options or will it not make a diff in my case??? Another issue that im wondering about is the wHAT Happens when u buy media that runs at say x4 or x8 but your dvd drive for DL only writes at x2 (and i think x4). Do the x8 disks default to x2 or are they set at those speeds. Just wanted to clarify b4 i proceeded with asking for an exchange. Gonna try and request some DL Verbatims after returning the Ume's. Thanks Again.... Edited February 21, 2007 by RushOrDie
polopony Posted February 21, 2007 Posted February 21, 2007 your drive will burn media at speeds that is supported by the firmware (supported write speeds in the log ) honestly you're wasting time and effort with those discs like its been said Verbatim is the way the ONLY way. get 1 and see for yourself " Another issue that im wondering about is the wHAT Happens when u buy media that runs at say x4 or x8 but your dvd drive for DL only writes at x2 (and i think x4). Do the x8 disks default to x2 or are they set at those speeds." they should default to a speed supported by the firmware ,although the media is rated for say 8X it will default to a speed that the drive has a write strategy for
Aten Posted February 21, 2007 Author Posted February 21, 2007 Ok, I officially giv up. You'll not hear another post about burning dud DL's. Had to get it out of my system but time to move on. Im awaiting an email from the returns department. Will repost with details when i burn with Verbatims. Hopefully withing a week. Only been three days here but managed to pick up loads of useful info. Meant the difference between coasting 15+ disks in a row or only five in my case. Can live with that. Really didnt realise though that its that bad with finding compat dyes for DL disks. Unbelieveabe that only MKM are the only choice. What the hell are these other companies doing. Hav they never heard of Research and Dev. Shame on them.
lfcrule1972 Posted February 21, 2007 Posted February 21, 2007 They have heard of R&D and also quality dye, they just can't be arsed with it and turn out cheapo shite that frustrates the hell out of it's users.
Aten Posted March 7, 2007 Author Posted March 7, 2007 (edited) Finally managed to pick up some Verbatims DL's for my LG GSA-4163b. Previous attemps with the Ume's just wouldnt cut it. Burn process for the verbs so far hav been flawless. Complete success Heres the log with a couple of queries regarding burn speeds for DL and bi-settings: 1) First arrow points to media speed. DL media stated that it burns at 2.4 on the box. But my burner will write at 4. Will Imgburn allow me to burn at 4 despite the DL limitation of 2? 2) Second arrow regards my question on bi-setting. I recall reading somwhere in this forum that dvd movies should be set to -ROM bs if burning a DL disk instead of the default +R DL as Rom is read better by stand alone players? Is this correct. Would they still work if set to default bi-setting. In my case i hav to use Verbatim media when burning DL disks based on the firmware of my Writer. Would still rather shrink films to single layer so only reason to justify buying DL in the future is a) price drops dramatically or b ) finally get round to flashing the FW on my 360. Appreciate all the previous posts. RushorDie Edited March 7, 2007 by RushOrDie
dontasciime Posted March 7, 2007 Posted March 7, 2007 would depend on your DVD player if it will read dl when book type is + far better to just use DVD-ROM IMO
cornholio7 Posted March 7, 2007 Posted March 7, 2007 the speeds are a firmware thing, i have drives that will burn these same discs at 8x, so you should be able to burn at 4x -ROM is more compatible in stand alones and with the price of the discs , i wouldn't risk not bit setting
lfcrule1972 Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Me either I always bit set my DL burns so as to avoid coasters ! Pleased to see that it all worked out with Verbatims - you got there in the end eh !!
Aten Posted March 8, 2007 Author Posted March 8, 2007 you got there in the end eh Yup, despite trying to swim up river for a bit. How does that quote go.... "should have taken a page from that b$t%h Hilary Clinton and let it go" Still curious though if any1 else has got other branded DL's to work with my burner LG GSA 4163b. Might buy a batch of mixed media and list a post with results at some point.
LIGHTNING UK! Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 1. Yes, the drive controls the speeds. If it lists 4x as a supported write speed, you can set it to 4x in ImgBurn and it'll burn at that speed. In this instance, you could also use 'MAX' as that's the maximum supported by the drive on this media. 2. Firstly, it's BIT setting, not BI setting DVDROM is more compatible with older standalones that were made before the DVD+ format was out/in widespread use. In newer players, it probably doesn't make a difference. There's no reason NOT to bitset to DVDROM, so you can pretty much leave it as it is and just forget about it. btw, I hope you're now using 2.2.0.0 rather than 2.1.0.0!
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