Supported Write Speed?

[magic144]

Hi,

I use ImgBurn for DVD+R DL burning since it is about the only tool I've found that lets you set the break-point with some assurance :-)

 

The problem I'm having is that I have a new PC (DELL) with an LG-H31N SATA DVD burner.

 

The latest firmware (B110) - and the last for that matter, B109 - both show in Media Code Speed Edit that the DL discs I am using (shows up in ImgBurn with Disc ID: RITEK-D01-01 , listed in Media Code Speed Edit as Ritek D01 - Rev is Blank) supports (or should support) Write Speeds of 2.4x and 4x. The discs are actually labelled Fujifilm

 

However, in ImgBurn, this disc only lists supported write speed of 4x (and consequently ImgBurn always attempts to burn at 4x which so far has always failed).

 

I can burn the same discs without error on my H10N at 2.4x in ImgBurn with no problems. Strangely, ImgBurn with the same media on my H10N ONLY lists 2.4x under "supported write speeds" and NOT 4x!!!

 

Is there a reason why MCSE would show 2.4x AND 4x from the firmware's own .bin file, but ImgBurn would only list 4x (or ONLY 2.4x on my H10N)???

 

If I double-click in MCSE on the Ritek-D01 Disc ID, the only option I get is to swap another media-code's to replace it, but surely these "write strategies" are very specific to media types, are they not? (i.e. if I choose another ID with only 2.4x listed would that work??, and how would I make such a choice?)

 

cheers in advance for answers or other suggestions,

 

m

[volvofl10]

discs carry manufacturers ID codes on them, and the drives firmware tells the drive how to interpret that code.

the code relates to burn strategy .so basically its down to the firmware on each drive as to what write speeds ImgBurn reports back to you

 

IB only reports back what info the drive passes to it from reading the Manufacturers info on the disc.

 

after reading your using ritek/fuji I would thoroughly recommend you get verbatims for dual layer writing though, nothing else is as reliable

[magic144]

thanks volvo,

 

I kind of understand that it is the drive that is telling ImgBurn what it supports

 

but doesn't the fact the MCSE shows both 2.4x AND 4x as supported write speeds for that ID IN THE FIRMWARE mean that the drive should be reporting BOTH when asked, or am I missing something???

 

I will look for Verbatim DLs in future, but I've got a batch of these Fujifilm's to get through for now!!! They work just fine on my H10N - it's just this dang H31N that's giving me the grief...

 

cheers,

 

m

 

discs carry manufacturers ID codes on them, and the drives firmware tells the drive how to interpret that code.

the code relates to burn strategy .so basically its down to the firmware on each drive as to what write speeds ImgBurn reports back to you

 

IB only reports back what info the drive passes to it from reading the Manufacturers info on the disc.

 

after reading your using ritek/fuji I would thoroughly recommend you get verbatims for dual layer writing though, nothing else is as reliable

[chewy]

would you pop a ritek d01 in and verfiy what you are saying?

 

post the right hand screen/ copy and paste

 

I loaded your B109 firmware after extracting in MSCE(latest version) and the 2.4x is listed as a burn speed

[mmalves]

There's a B110 firmware on Dell's Support site if you want to try it out.

[magic144]

alrighty

here's the mcse screencap of b110's .bin file, showing 2.4x and 4x

 

and here's imgburn's view of the disc on my machine with the H10N (only shows 2.4x support)

 

and here's the way imgburn sees things on my other machine with the H31N (only shows 4x support)

 

thoughts??

 

m

 

would you pop a ritek d01 in and verfiy what you are saying?

 

post the right hand screen/ copy and paste

 

I loaded your B109 firmware after extracting in MSCE(latest version) and the 2.4x is listed as a burn speed

[chewy]

will dell let you go back to 109?

 

more dellhell?

 

oem drives are an accident waiting to happen

[magic144]

I got EXACTLY the same results with 109 - going back would achieve no improvement/difference, so it's not an option worth pursuing

 

my question is about the perceived difference between what ImgBurn is telling me, and what MCSE is telling me... what's the reason??!!

 

can someone comment on what I see as this disparity?

 

m

 

will dell let you go back to 109?

 

more dellhell?

Edited September 16, 2007 by magic144

[LIGHTNING UK!]

The 'supported write speeds' text means nothing to the program really, it's purely cosmetic.

 

Even if the 2.4x speed isn't mentioned there, you could still set it to 2.4x and IF the drive really did support it, it would burn at it.

 

I do not limit (in any way, shape or form) the speed you can select and hence what the program will instruct the drive to burn at.

 

By that I mean you can tell it to burn at 48x for all I care, the program will send the appropriate speed to the drive and the drive can either use it or ignore it (which of course it would if you chose 48x!) and select the next best (closest) speed automatically.

[chewy]

according to the author of MCSE, firmware tables may list burn speeds that are actually disabled

 

have you tried to set 2.4 as a burn speed?

[magic144]

Hmm, it actually seemed to burn without a hitch this time

dunno if that's to do with B110 f/w upgrade or just blind luck

 

anyway, here's the log:

as you can see, it wrote at 4x regardless of specifying 2.4x

(since the drive only reports that it supports 4x, that doesn't surprise me - regardless of what the firmware says in MCSE)

 

well, let's see how long this success lasts... cheers for your responses to date all

 

I 09:59:55 Operation Started!

I 09:59:55 Source File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-

I 09:59:55 Source File Sectors: 3,514,032 (MODE1/2048)

I 09:59:55 Source File Size: 7,196,737,536 bytes

I 09:59:55 Source File Volume Identifier: DVD_VIDEO

I 09:59:55 Source File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.3.2.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!

I 09:59:55 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn

I 09:59:55 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 09:59:55 Destination Device: [1:2:0] HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GSA-H31N B110 (G:) (ATAPI)

I 09:59:55 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RITEK-D01-01) (Speeds: 4x)

I 09:59:55 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824

I 09:59:55 Write Mode: DVD

I 09:59:55 Write Type: DAO

I 09:59:55 Write Speed: 2.4x

I 09:59:55 Link Size: Auto

I 09:59:55 Test Mode: No

I 09:59:55 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 09:59:55 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1,938,320

I 09:59:55 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: IFO Cell Boundary

I 09:59:55 Filling Buffer... (40 MB)

I 09:59:56 Writing LeadIn...

I 10:00:22 Writing Image... (LBA: 0 - 3514031)

I 10:00:22 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 1938319)

I 10:12:53 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 1938320 - 3514031)

I 10:22:45 Synchronising Cache...

I 10:23:10 Closing Track...

I 10:23:46 Finalising Disc...

I 10:26:10 Image MD5: ef32ea58f2b3f4e019c4500f5c2717a0

I 10:26:10 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:26:15

I 10:26:10 Average Write Rate: 5,237 KB/s (3.8x) - Maximum Write Rate: 5,584 KB/s (4.0x)

I 10:26:10 Operation Started!

I 10:26:10 Source Device: [1:2:0] HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GSA-H31N B110 (G:) (ATAPI)

I 10:26:10 Source Media Type: DVD+R DL (Book Type: DVD-ROM) (Disc ID: RITEK-D01-01) (Speeds: 4x)

I 10:26:10 Image File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-

I 10:26:10 Image File Sectors: 3,514,032 (MODE1/2048)

I 10:26:10 Image File Size: 7,196,737,536 bytes

I 10:26:10 Image File Volume Identifier: DVD_VIDEO

I 10:26:10 Image File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.3.2.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!

I 10:26:10 Image File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn

I 10:26:10 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 10:26:10 Verifying Sectors... (LBA: 0 - 3514031)

I 10:26:10 Verifying Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 1938319)

I 10:34:40 Verifying Layer 1... (LBA: 1938320 - 3514031)

I 10:40:57 Device MD5: ef32ea58f2b3f4e019c4500f5c2717a0

I 10:40:57 Image MD5: ef32ea58f2b3f4e019c4500f5c2717a0

I 10:40:57 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:14:47

I 10:40:57 Average Verify Rate: 7,923 KB/s (5.7x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 11,030 KB/s (8.0x)

Edited September 16, 2007 by magic144

[magic144]

Nope, spoke too soon

 

2 subsequent coasters.

 

This drive just doesn't like/play-nicely-with these discs. Poor.

[blutach]

You've learned not to waste money on Ritek D01's.

 

Maybe shell out a few more pennies and get Verbatim MKM-001s instead?

 

Regards

[magic144]

true enough Les

 

although I can't help but feel that since I get flawless burns with the same media on my H10N, that this is something to do with the firmware/write-strategy employed for this media in the H31N drive...

 

I guess I'll just have to stick to the H10N for this media until it's gone !

 

btw, any idea on whether the MKM-003's are as good?? I've seen some Verbatim DLs on the blankmedia.ca website, but it doesn't quote the media ID and I'm not sure just how many flavours of Verbatim DLs exist and what they're all like :-)

[blutach]

We tend to recommend the 001s (2.4x) - they seem to produce better burns than the 003s (8x).

 

Regards

[magic144]

cheers Les

 

any idea if these are the 001's?

blankmedia.ca link

the blurb claims they're 2.4x (but then goes on to give some spiel about how they can be burnt AS FAST AS 8x)

(I've sent them a quick email to query the media ID too)

 

if they're the 001's, I'll give 'em a go... they seem to have plenty in stock, and this is where I get my Taiyo Yuden single-layer +R's (T02)

 

thanks

Edited September 18, 2007 by magic144

[blutach]

Sorry mate, I wouldn't know. Seems like they might be 001s though if they are listed as 2.4x

 

Regards

[chewy]

the faster 003's

 

http://www.blankmedia.ca/proddetail3.asp?id=1178

 

future shop had the 20 packs of the 2.4x for 20$ last week in their mid week flyer

[magic144]

thanks for the help and advice guys

[Copperhead]

SONY DVD+-RW DW-D56A PDS7 Slimline (Lite-On)

 

I think my notebook's drive has reduced laser beam power for 2.4x and stronger power for 4x-8x, so I would like to try to burn a Verbatim DL MKM-001 disk at 4x to see if I get a better burn at higher power, but the firmware won't allow faster than 2.4x.