Verification problems

[xpandy]

Hi guys, could do with your input and help. It's not a problem with imgburn itself, I know that.

 

I WAS getting major problems with my DL media - Datawrite 8x DVD+R DL [RICOHJPN-D01-67]

 

I was using a Pioneer 110D - and started getting regular issues with burns failing to verify at around 52 to 64%. I replaced the drive - with a brand new spare of the same drive. I completely reinstalled windows and had nothing else on it but imgburn. I even put the burner in a whole other system to eliminate any possible motherboard, memory, processor, harddrive, psu, cable, etc issues.

 

I finally decided that although the media isn't the best, it's certainly better than a 35% failure rate out of 2 25 tubs, which is what I was getting, so I figured that it must be a "compatability" issue due to the age of my Pioneers.

 

So off I went, and came back with a nice new Optiarc AD 5200-A. First thing I noticed was that my media was now ABLE to be burned at 8x - but I was happy with the Pioneer's 2.4x for compatibility. The optiarc wouldn't burn at 2.4 even though it let me select it in imgburn, but burned at 4x - Hopefully this will be fine for me, and certainly speeded up the burn process - and the verification, thanks to it reading back at around 12x instead of 4x.

 

SUCCESS!!!, my DL burns went from 35% failure, to 0%. 10 from 10 so far

 

 

Now comes the problem though, I went to burn an SL disc, using Verbatim 16x DVD-R [MCC 03RG20]

 

imgburn tells me nicely that it can be burned at 4x,6x,8x,12x,16x,18x,20x - impressive as it's labelled 16x media. I select 8x to give me my usual compatibily and some reasonable speed. However, it only burns at 4x, and then FAILS verification after 20 odd percent

 

This just about floored me, I'm using the "gospel" media, and a decent burner, and I get problems - what gives?

 

Maybe I need to go back to my Pioneer for my DVD5 and just stick to DL with the optiarc?

 

I'm happy with my Datawrite media - it's about the third the price of Verbs, but got a deal on the Verb SL so have another 70 or so discs left/

 

Anyone had similar problems, or have any ideas what's going on with the speed selection issue or any idea why the cheap media works, but the Verb doesn't?

[Cynthia]

Hi and welcome to the forum, xpandy!

 

You have checked that DMA is still enabled?

 

The latest firmware for that burner is 1.05 - is that what you have installed?

 

Can you post a log from that burn? You should find it here: Main Menu -> Help -> ImgBurn Logs

[xpandy]

Hi and welcome to the forum, xpandy!

 

Dumb question. What have you set the write speed selector on? Just to be sure that it's not set to 4x.

 

The latest firmware for that burner is 1.05 - is that what you have installed?

 

 

Hi Cynthia, thanks for the welcome and the reply - yes I installed 1.05 when I installed the drive- was on 1.03. I thought I did say that I selected 8x burn, but it went ahead and burned at 4x anyway. Likewise with the DL, selected 2.4x but it burns at 4x

[xpandy]

post moderation is painful. lol. I replied the minute you posted, but half hour later, it's still to show

 

 

hmm, that one showed up right away - so to "queue-jump", thanks again for the welcome and reply, Yes dma4 is enabled, yes, I installed 1.05 when I got the drive - it was 1.03, and yes I'm sure I keep selecting 8x but it burns at 4x - just as with the DL I select 2.4x but it burns at 4x

Edited April 29, 2008 by xpandy

[LIGHTNING UK!]

You joined the forum at the wrong time, it's been turned off for new members again for a while now.

[xpandy]

You joined the forum at the wrong time, it's been turned off for new members again for a while now.

 

I joined about a month or so ago - are you talking about the post moderation?

[LIGHTNING UK!]

Yes.

 

You only needed 5 posts to jump out of the 'moderated' group anyway - so it's no longer an issue for you.

 

Any one of us can moderate your posts so it's not like you were missing out on anything... nobody was here looking at them.

[xpandy]

Yes.

 

You only needed 5 posts to jump out of the 'moderated' group anyway - so it's no longer an issue for you.

 

 

lol, no probs, and I see that it doesn't show if a mod edits their post - as my quote of Cynthia shows, thanks for the turn off

[xpandy]

oooh, she edited again to ask for log - here goes :

 

I 19:03:11 ImgBurn Version 2.4.0.0 started!

I 19:03:11 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 3)

I 19:03:11 Total Physical Memory: 523,760 KB - Available: 282,120 KB

I 19:03:11 Initialising SPTI...

I 19:03:11 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 19:03:11 Found 1 DVD

Edited April 29, 2008 by xpandy

[Cynthia]

Sorry for the additional editing. Was only trying to keep my post count as low as possible.

 

W 19:06:20 Waiting for buffers to recover...

W 19:06:39 Waiting for hard disk activity to reach threshold level...

The source stuff - you are burning - is that on a physical disc on the computer or some sort of network drive?

 

To me it looks as the transfer rate from that source disc might be the problem.

 

[xpandy]

Sorry for the additional editing. Was only trying to keep my post count as low as possible.

 

W 19:06:20 Waiting for buffers to recover...

W 19:06:39 Waiting for hard disk activity to reach threshold level...

The source stuff - you are burning - is that on a physical disc on the computer or some sort of network drive?

 

To me it looks as the transfer rate from that source disc might be the problem.

 

 

 

no probs with the edits Cynthia - that buffer problem was me stupidly trying to do an sfv check, while un-rarring, while burning. Doesn't normally happen, and isn't the reason for the speed or verification problem - just happens to be the last log. the source was an extracted Video_ts folder on the hard drive

[xpandy]

Good burn, bad verify - looks like the speed issue resolved itself, but still this prob with the verbs, I can see myself needing to put them in the Pioneer

 

I 21:21:23 ImgBurn Version 2.4.0.0 started!

I 21:21:23 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 3)

I 21:21:23 Total Physical Memory: 523,760 KB - Available: 354,680 KB

I 21:21:23 Initialising SPTI...

I 21:21:23 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 21:21:23 Found 1 DVD

[Cynthia]

How is this writer attached?

 

As you only have one writer attached - is it on it's own IDE channel? Not on one of those JMicron channels? Not having a hard disk on the same cable as the writer.

 

The jumper at the back of the writer - is that one in 'Master' mode? Normally by default they are shipped in 'Slave' mode.

[Cynthia]

Curious. Any reason for not using ver 2.4.1.0?

 

Edit:

 

I 21:21:23 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 3)

First log with SP3 I've seen - hope it's not related to SP3.

 

Edit 2:

 

If you use the 'Test Mode' option in the write function and set it to 'MAX' speed - can it perform at 16x speed then? Just to see how fast you can get it.

 

[xpandy]

Curious. Any reason for not using ver 2.4.1.0?

 

Edit:

 

I 21:21:23 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 3)

First log with SP3 I've seen - hope it's not related to SP3.

 

 

on this machine, the optical is primary master, with hdd on primary slave, secondary master, secondary slave - the way the setup has always been, all drive are set to CS with 80pin IDE cables. The other box - the one I also tried when I got the errors had the odd on an ide channel of it's own - again CS, on the master of the cable. That box was using 2.4.1.0, just not got around to updating this one, but will do that now - for purposes of elimination. The other box is running 2KSP4 so again, not likely to be down to SP3 I think - and as I said, the "questionable" DL media is working fine, just this issue with the Verb SL not verifying - I know they're not the tiptop singapore ones, but still.....

[LIGHTNING UK!]

Have you tried burning at faster speeds? You might find it burns better at 16x than at 8x.

 

If you could get a pic of the IBG info displayed via DVDInfoPro that would really help too.

 

If you don't have DVDInfoPro, you can attach your IBG file (zipped up or whatever).

 

That'll show us the nice write/verify speed graphs.

 

If the DVD-R verbs aren't working for you, you might like to try the DVD+R ones.

I generally stick to Taiyo Yuden DVD-R's and Verbatim (MCC) DVD+R's.

[xpandy]

same prob with 2.4.1.0 :

 

I 21:50:38 ImgBurn Version 2.4.1.0 started!

I 21:50:38 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 3)

I 21:50:38 Total Physical Memory: 523,760 KB - Available: 353,900 KB

I 21:50:38 Initialising SPTI...

I 21:50:38 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 21:50:38 Found 1 DVD

[xpandy]

test burn :

 

I 22:14:45 Operation Started!

I 22:14:45 Source File: E:\quantumleap.iso

I 22:14:45 Source File Sectors: 2,285,823 (MODE1/2048)

I 22:14:45 Source File Size: 4,681,365,504 bytes

I 22:14:45 Source File Volume Identifier: QUANTUM_LEAP

I 22:14:45 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 3CBB34B7DVDSHRNK

I 22:14:45 Source File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink

I 22:14:45 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 22:14:45 Destination Device: [0:0:0] Optiarc DVD RW AD-5200A 1.05 (D:) (ATA)

I 22:14:45 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: MCC 03RG20) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x, 18x, 20x)

I 22:14:45 Destination Media Sectors: 2,298,496

I 22:14:45 Write Mode: DVD

I 22:14:45 Write Type: DAO

I 22:14:45 Write Speed: MAX

I 22:14:45 Link Size: Auto

I 22:14:45 Test Mode: Yes

I 22:14:45 OPC: Yes

I 22:14:45 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 22:14:50 Filling Buffer... (40 MB)

I 22:14:51 Writing LeadIn...

I 22:15:10 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 2285822)

I 22:15:10 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 2285822)

I 22:19:32 Synchronising Cache...

I 22:19:36 Cycling Tray after Test Write...

I 22:19:43 Exporting Graph Data...

I 22:19:43 Graph Data File: C:\Documents and Settings\Terry\Application Data\ImgBurn\IBG Files\Optiarc_DVD_RW_AD-5200A_1.05_29-APRIL-2008_22-14_MCC_03RG20_MAX.ibg

I 22:19:43 Export Successfully Completed!

I 22:19:43 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:04:57

I 22:19:43 Average Write Rate: 17,449 KB/s (12.6x) - Maximum Write Rate: 24,943 KB/s (18.0x)

[Cynthia]

I used those discs (Made in India) in the past with a similar Nec writer on 12x speed. But the quality went down - so I moved over to the +R instead. I think you should try with another media code as LUK suggested above - just to rule out the media as the base of the problem and also try to burn one at 12x or 16x.

 

[xpandy]

one worked, one didn't

 

I 22:37:14 Operation Started!

I 22:37:14 Source File: E:\quantumleap.iso

I 22:37:14 Source File Sectors: 2,285,823 (MODE1/2048)

I 22:37:14 Source File Size: 4,681,365,504 bytes

I 22:37:14 Source File Volume Identifier: QUANTUM_LEAP

I 22:37:14 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 3CBB34B7DVDSHRNK

I 22:37:14 Source File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink

I 22:37:14 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 22:37:14 Destination Device: [0:0:0] Optiarc DVD RW AD-5200A 1.05 (D:) (ATA)

I 22:37:14 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: MCC 03RG20) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x, 18x, 20x)

I 22:37:14 Destination Media Sectors: 2,298,496

I 22:37:14 Write Mode: DVD

I 22:37:14 Write Type: DAO

I 22:37:14 Write Speed: 16x

I 22:37:14 Link Size: Auto

I 22:37:14 Test Mode: No

I 22:37:14 OPC: Yes

I 22:37:14 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 22:37:20 Filling Buffer... (40 MB)

I 22:37:21 Writing LeadIn...

I 22:37:39 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 2285822)

I 22:37:39 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 2285822)

I 22:42:44 Synchronising Cache...

I 22:42:48 Exporting Graph Data...

I 22:42:48 Graph Data File: C:\Documents and Settings\Terry\Application Data\ImgBurn\IBG Files\Optiarc_DVD_RW_AD-5200A_1.05_29-APRIL-2008_22-37_MCC_03RG20_16x.ibg

I 22:42:48 Export Successfully Completed!

I 22:42:48 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:05:34

I 22:42:48 Average Write Rate: 15,038 KB/s (10.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 22,317 KB/s (16.1x)

I 22:42:48 Cycling Tray before Verify...

W 22:42:56 Waiting for device to become ready...

I 22:43:05 Device Ready!

I 22:43:09 Operation Started!

I 22:43:09 Source Device: [0:0:0] Optiarc DVD RW AD-5200A 1.05 (D:) (ATA)

I 22:43:09 Source Media Type: DVD-R (Book Type: DVD-R) (Disc ID: MCC 03RG20) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x, 18x, 20x)

I 22:43:09 Image File: E:\quantumleap.iso

I 22:43:09 Image File Sectors: 2,285,823 (MODE1/2048)

I 22:43:09 Image File Size: 4,681,365,504 bytes

I 22:43:09 Image File Volume Identifier: QUANTUM_LEAP

I 22:43:09 Image File Volume Set Identifier: 3CBB34B7DVDSHRNK

I 22:43:09 Image File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink

I 22:43:09 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 22:43:09 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX

I 22:43:09 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 2285822)

I 22:43:09 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 2285822)

I 22:48:06 Exporting Graph Data...

I 22:48:06 Graph Data File: C:\Documents and Settings\Terry\Application Data\ImgBurn\IBG Files\Optiarc_DVD_RW_AD-5200A_1.05_29-APRIL-2008_22-37_MCC_03RG20_16x.ibg

I 22:48:06 Export Successfully Completed!

I 22:48:06 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:04:57

I 22:48:06 Average Verify Rate: 15,392 KB/s (11.1x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 22,344 KB/s (16.1x)

 

 

 

I 22:50:53 Operation Started!

I 22:50:53 Source File: E:\quantumleap.iso

I 22:50:53 Source File Sectors: 2,285,814 (MODE1/2048)

I 22:50:53 Source File Size: 4,681,347,072 bytes

I 22:50:53 Source File Volume Identifier: QUANTUM_LEAP

I 22:50:53 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 3A828325DVDSHRNK

I 22:50:53 Source File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink

I 22:50:53 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 22:50:53 Destination Device: [0:0:0] Optiarc DVD RW AD-5200A 1.05 (D:) (ATA)

I 22:50:53 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: MCC 03RG20) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x, 18x, 20x)

I 22:50:53 Destination Media Sectors: 2,298,496

I 22:50:53 Write Mode: DVD

I 22:50:53 Write Type: DAO

I 22:50:53 Write Speed: 16x

I 22:50:53 Link Size: Auto

I 22:50:53 Test Mode: No

I 22:50:53 OPC: Yes

I 22:50:53 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 22:50:57 Filling Buffer... (40 MB)

I 22:50:58 Writing LeadIn...

I 22:51:16 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 2285813)

I 22:51:16 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 2285813)

I 23:02:38 Synchronising Cache...

I 23:02:51 Exporting Graph Data...

I 23:02:51 Graph Data File: C:\Documents and Settings\Terry\Application Data\ImgBurn\IBG Files\Optiarc_DVD_RW_AD-5200A_1.05_29-APRIL-2008_22-50_MCC_03RG20_16x.ibg

I 23:02:51 Export Successfully Completed!

I 23:02:51 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:11:58

I 23:02:51 Average Write Rate: 6,703 KB/s (4.8x) - Maximum Write Rate: 12,576 KB/s (9.1x)

I 23:02:51 Cycling Tray before Verify...

W 23:02:59 Waiting for device to become ready...

I 23:03:08 Device Ready!

I 23:03:11 Operation Started!

I 23:03:11 Source Device: [0:0:0] Optiarc DVD RW AD-5200A 1.05 (D:) (ATA)

I 23:03:11 Source Media Type: DVD-R (Book Type: DVD-R) (Disc ID: MCC 03RG20) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x, 18x, 20x)

I 23:03:11 Image File: E:\quantumleap.iso

I 23:03:11 Image File Sectors: 2,285,814 (MODE1/2048)

I 23:03:11 Image File Size: 4,681,347,072 bytes

I 23:03:11 Image File Volume Identifier: QUANTUM_LEAP

I 23:03:11 Image File Volume Set Identifier: 3A828325DVDSHRNK

I 23:03:11 Image File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink

I 23:03:11 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 23:03:11 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX

I 23:03:11 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 2285813)

I 23:03:11 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 2285813)

E 23:05:25 Failed to Read Sector 696352 - Reason: No Seek Complete

E 23:05:25 Sector 696352 maps to File: \VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_2.VOB

E 23:05:25 Failed to Verify Sectors!

I 23:05:25 Exporting Graph Data...

I 23:05:25 Graph Data File: C:\Documents and Settings\Terry\Application Data\ImgBurn\IBG Files\Optiarc_DVD_RW_AD-5200A_1.05_29-APRIL-2008_22-50_MCC_03RG20_16x.ibg

I 23:05:25 Export Successfully Completed!

E 23:05:25 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:02:14

I 23:05:25 Average Verify Rate: 10,471 KB/s (7.6x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 14,566 KB/s (10.5x)

[xpandy]

I 23:18:13 ImgBurn Version 2.4.1.0 started!

I 23:18:13 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 3)

I 23:18:13 Total Physical Memory: 523,760 KB - Available: 278,476 KB

I 23:18:13 Initialising SPTI...

I 23:18:13 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 23:18:13 Found 1 DVD

[Cynthia]

The only thing that I can think of is that these discs are rather new and perhaps the Optiarc firmware needs to be developed a bit more to fully support this media code. I haven't seen Verbatims that supports 18x and and 20x in my shops yet.

 

I 23:25:39 Source Media Type: DVD-R (Book Type: DVD-R) (Disc ID: MCC 03RG20) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x, 18x, 20x)

[xpandy]

The only thing that I can think of is that these discs are rather new and perhaps the Optiarc firmware needs to be developed a bit more to fully support this media code. I haven't seen Verbatims that supports 18x and and 20x in my shops yet.

 

I 23:25:39 Source Media Type: DVD-R (Book Type: DVD-R) (Disc ID: MCC 03RG20) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x, 18x, 20x)

 

 

they're badged as 16x, I'd already read on several forums that the optiarc supports overburn on several media, obviously these included, now burning at 4x to see, if not, back to the Pioneer for these, and keep this drive for my DL

[Cynthia]

Yes, I got some TDK's badged as 16x - but they included 18x rated discs.

 

Overburn for me is when you burn more data then what the default size shows. I think they are meaning Overspeed. Normally you need patched firmware to allow the Optiarcs to perform that. But your media is manufactured as 20x media already.

[xpandy]

Yes, I got some TDK's badged as 16x - but they included 18x rated discs.

 

Overburn for me is when you burn more data then what the default size shows. I think they are meaning Overspeed. Normally you need patched firmware to allow the Optiarcs to perform that. But your media is manufactured as 20x media already.

 

 

ah, I see what you mean - thought it was the overburn(speed) that was letting them show available at 18x and 20x. Well I've no intention of burning them at that speed, I like my compatability. The 4x burn worked perfectly, tried another at 8x and bang, failed verification, doing another at 4x now, then I'll give up and only use this drive for the DL