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OK, I've experimentally changed I/O from its default setting of SPTI (whatever that is) to WNASPI32.DLL. That refers to the smallish Adaptec file of that name I described. It's still not clear to me why I don't need to use the Nero one of same name. Or how I would do so, come to that! I suppose replacing the \Windows\System32 file with the one from \Progam Fles\ahead\Nero would be a possibility? Anyway, I've started another format with that setting. As I've exhausted my stock of brand new +RW discs, I'm using an existing readable one. It's been stuck at 3% for 10 mins, so I assume that just reinforces your diagnosis. Have finally ejected it after the usual convolutions. A short while earlier, using my very last fresh +RW disc, I tried using the Format/Full Erase facility in Nero CD-DVD Speed. That seemed to be going OK, but froze at some point when I wasn't looking. So that confirms that, whatever the cause is, it's not an ImgBurn issue. While I'm clutching at straws I may as well try that 'Nero ASPI swap' I conjectured about above, but I'm not hopeful. Maybe I'll forget about +RW for the time being. That's about 4 days on trouble-shooting so far, and not a minute on authoring! But I just hate unsolved puzzles -- Terry, West Sussex, UK

OK, thanks, will test on different discs asap. You're still pretty sure that ASPI stuff isn't involved? Thanks for your patience -- Terry, West Sussex, UK

OK, thanks, very helpful. InCD appeared as a discrete Add/Remove entry, so I uninstalled it. So far I've not removed anything else, but I will probably get rid of that MusicMatch entry next. The revised report is now: ---------------------------------------------------- Filter Driver Load Order http://www.bustrace.com ---------------------------------------------------- Upper Class Filter: Pcatip Upper Device Filter: redbook Device Object: DVDRW IDE 16X Lower Class Filter: MxlW2k Lower Class Filter: Pfc Lower Class Filter: PxHelp20 Lower Class Filter: AnyDVD Lower Device Filter: imapi Driver Name: pcatip.sys File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers File Description: Patin-Couffin Autoplay support driver File Version: 1.6.0.0 [1.6.0.0] Product Name: Patin-Couffin Autoplay support driver Product Version: 1.6.0.0 [1.6.0.0] Company Name: VSO Software Driver Name: redbook.sys File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers File Description: Redbook Audio Filter Driver File Version: 5.1.2600.1106 (xpsp1.020828-1920) [5.1.2600.1106] Product Name: Microsoft? Windows? Operating System Product Version: 5.1.2600.1106 [5.1.2600.1106] Company Name: Microsoft Corporation Driver Name: mxlw2k.sys File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers File Description: MusicMatch Access Layer KMD File Version: 1.1.0.121 [1.1.0.121] Product Name: MusicMatch Access Layer Product Version: 1.1.0.121 [1.1.0.121] Company Name: MusicMatch, Inc. Driver Name: pfc.sys File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers File Description: Padus® ASPI Shell File Version: 2, 5, 0, 205 [2.5.0.205] Product Name: Padus® ASPI Shell Product Version: 2, 5, 0, 205 [2.5.0.205] Company Name: Padus, Inc. Driver Name: pxhelp20.sys File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers File Description: Px Engine Device Driver for Windows 2000/XP File Version: 2.03.32a [2.3.32.0] Product Name: PxHelp20 Product Version: [2.0.0.0] Company Name: Sonic Solutions Driver Name: anydvd.sys File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers File Description: AnyDVD Filter Driver File Version: 5.9.6.0 [5.9.6.0] Product Name: AnyDVD Product Version: 5.9.6.0 [5.9.6.0] Company Name: SlySoft, Inc. Driver Name: imapi.sys File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers File Description: IMAPI Kernel Driver File Version: 5.1.2600.1106 (xpsp1.020828-1920) [5.1.2600.1106] Product Name: Microsoft? Windows? Operating System Product Version: 5.1.2600.1106 [5.1.2600.1106] Company Name: Microsoft Corporation --------- OK, now to the 'F8 test;. When I tried to do a Full Erase with ImgBurn, using another fresh DVD+RW, it got no further than 0% this time! Using F8 I got what seemed to be fast scrolling repetitions containing something like this: 11:38:55 [1:0:0] DVDRW IDE 16X A091 (H:) (ATA) 11:38:55 CDB: 00 00 00 00 00 00 11:38:55 CDB Interpretation: Test Unit Ready 11:38:55 SENSE: 70 00 02 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 04 04 00 80 0 00 11:38:55 SENSE Interpretation: Logical Unit not ready, Format in progress 11:38:56 [1:0:0] DVDRW IDE 16X A091 (H:) (ATA) 11:38:56 CDB: 00 00 00 00 00 00 11:38:56 CDB Interpretation: Test Unit Ready 11:38:56 SENSE: 70 00 02 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 04 04 00 80 0 00 11:38:56 SENSE Interpretation: Logical Unit not ready, Format in progress Eventually I restarted and tested the disc with various programs: Nero Info Tool said: General Type: DVD+RW Capacity: 4.38 GB Extended Information Layers: 1 Supported Speeds: 4.0 X - 2.4 X Blank Capacity: n/a Manufacturer ID: MKM A02 Copy Protection: n/a Content File System(s): Title: n/a Date: n/a Publisher: n/a Application: n/a ==================== IsoBuster said: "During mounting of the disc only a session/track layout could be found. No file-systems nor files and folders could be found." ==================== AnyDVD said: Summary for drive H: (AnyDVD 5.9.6.0) Drive (Hardware) Region: 2 Media is a Data DVD. Booktype: dvd+rw (version 2), Layers: 1 Total size: 2295104 sectors (4482 MBytes) ==================== DVD Identifier said: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+RW:MKM-A02-000] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Disc & Book Type : [DVD+RW] - [DVD+RW] Manufacturer Name : [Mitsubishi Kagaku Media] Manufacturer ID : [MKM] Media Type ID : [A02] Product Revision : [Not Specified] Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4.70 GB (4.38 GiB)] Recording Speeds : [1x-2.4x , 1.6x-4x] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- And the 'log' section says (after the intro): 12:30:30 DVD+R/+RW Medium Detected. Starting Identification... . 12:30:30] ** Initiating ADIP Retrieval Method 1 (Original ADIP) 12:30:30] ADIP Read Method 1 Completed Without Errors 12:30:30] Disc Identification Completed Successfully 12:31:11] DVD+R/+RW Medium Information Copied To Clipboard [ DVD Identifier V4.3.0 - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ] ==================== Then I loaded ImgBurn which said: DVDRW IDE 16X A091 (ATA) Current Profile: DVD+RW Disc Information: Status: Complete Erasable: Yes Formatted: No (Started) Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x, 4x Physical Format Information (ADIP): Disc ID: MKM-A02-00 Book Type: DVD+RW Part Version: 2 Disc Size: 120mm Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified Number of Layers: 1 Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP) Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit Track Density: 0.74 um/track First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608 Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,491,711 Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0 Physical Format Information (Last Recorded): Disc ID: MKM-A02-00 Book Type: DVD+RW Part Version: 2 Disc Size: 120mm Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified Number of Layers: 1 Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP) Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit Track Density: 0.74 um/track First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608 Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,491,711 Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0 Current Format Capacity: Sectors: 2,295,104 Size: 4,700,372,992 bytes Time: 510:03:29 (MM:SS:FF) Maximum Format Capacity: Sectors: 2,295,104 Size: 4,700,372,992 bytes Time: 510:03:29 (MM:SS:FF) --------- Now I'm stepping through as I continue to compose the post: The status line says 'Ready (Disc Needs Formatting). On clicking OK the now familiar message appears and I go ahead. After a minute or so I feel confident it's again stuck on 0%. I use F8. The fragment I was able to capture was: 12:50:21 BUFFER: 70 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 04 04 00 80 02 7D 00 00 00 00 00 00 12:50:22 [1:0:0] DVDRW IDE 16X A091 (H:) (ATA) 12:50:22 CDB: 03 00 00 00 18 00 12:50:22 CDB Interpretation: Request Sense 12:50:22 BUFFER: 70 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 04 04 00 80 02 7D 00 00 00 00 00 00 12:50:23 [1:0:0] DVDRW IDE 16X A091 (H:) (ATA) 12:50:23 CDB: 03 00 00 00 18 00 12:50:23 CDB Interpretation: Request Sense 12:50:23 BUFFER: 70 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 04 04 00 80 02 7D 00 00 00 00 00 00 In the absence of any more elegant method, I now forcibly terminate ImgBurn via Task Mgr. By way of a change I now open your DVD Decrypter 3.5.4.0. But it's tricky to get it running properly (just as it was when I used ImgBurn on the last similar test). The status line initially says 'Searching for SCSI/ATAPI deveices...' That looks set to take forever, so I try the manual tray Eject button. After a few seconds that seems to unlock whatever the blockage was, and the status line now says 'Ready'. I now eject it and then reinsert it. Status line now says 'Device Not Ready (Medium Not Present)', although that contradicts what ImgBurn and other info progs reported earlier. I cannot now manually eject. And if I try clicking the 'E' I get: I/O Error! Device: [1:0:0] DVDRW IDE 16X A091 (H:) (ATA) ScsiStatus: 0x02 Interpretation: Check Condition CDB: 1B 01 00 00 02 00 Interpretation: Start/Stop Unit Sense Area: 70 00 02 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 04 04 00 80 02 7D Interpretation: Logical Unit not ready, Format in progress I now start to use Tools|Drive, but before I can complete my intention to use Unlock Tray, the tray opens! I close DVD Decrypter and open Nero Info Tool, which now says: 'No disc inserted'. That appears to be confirmed by DVD Identofier, which says: ERROR : Unable To Initialize Disc : Not ready - Medium not present [02/3A/00] ==================== So the disc is now unreadable -- Terry, West Sussex, UK

Sorry, that paste was incomplete; here's the full Clipboard: ---------------------------------------------------- Filter Driver Load Order http://www.bustrace.com ---------------------------------------------------- Upper Class Filter: InCDPass Upper Class Filter: incdrm Upper Class Filter: Pcatip Upper Device Filter: redbook Device Object: DVDRW IDE 16X Lower Class Filter: MxlW2k Lower Class Filter: Pfc Lower Class Filter: PxHelp20 Lower Class Filter: AnyDVD Lower Device Filter: imapi Driver Name: incdpass.sys File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers File Description: Ahead RW Filter Driver File Version: 4, 3, 20, 1 [4.3.20.1] Product Name: InCD Product Version: 4, 3, 20, 1 [4.3.20.1] Company Name: Nero AG Driver Name: incdrm.sys File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers File Description: Ahead MRW Filter Driver File Version: 4, 3, 20, 1 [4.3.20.1] Product Name: EasyWrite Reader Product Version: 4, 3, 20, 1 [4.3.20.1] Company Name: Nero AG Driver Name: pcatip.sys File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers File Description: Patin-Couffin Autoplay support driver File Version: 1.6.0.0 [1.6.0.0] Product Name: Patin-Couffin Autoplay support driver Product Version: 1.6.0.0 [1.6.0.0] Company Name: VSO Software Driver Name: redbook.sys File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers File Description: Redbook Audio Filter Driver File Version: 5.1.2600.1106 (xpsp1.020828-1920) [5.1.2600.1106] Product Name: Microsoft? Windows? Operating System Product Version: 5.1.2600.1106 [5.1.2600.1106] Company Name: Microsoft Corporation Driver Name: mxlw2k.sys File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers File Description: MusicMatch Access Layer KMD File Version: 1.1.0.121 [1.1.0.121] Product Name: MusicMatch Access Layer Product Version: 1.1.0.121 [1.1.0.121] Company Name: MusicMatch, Inc. Driver Name: pfc.sys File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers File Description: Padus® ASPI Shell File Version: 2, 5, 0, 205 [2.5.0.205] Product Name: Padus® ASPI Shell Product Version: 2, 5, 0, 205 [2.5.0.205] Company Name: Padus, Inc. Driver Name: pxhelp20.sys File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers File Description: Px Engine Device Driver for Windows 2000/XP File Version: 2.03.32a [2.3.32.0] Product Name: PxHelp20 Product Version: [2.0.0.0] Company Name: Sonic Solutions Driver Name: anydvd.sys File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers File Description: AnyDVD Filter Driver File Version: 5.9.6.0 [5.9.6.0] Product Name: AnyDVD Product Version: 5.9.6.0 [5.9.6.0] Company Name: SlySoft, Inc. Driver Name: imapi.sys File Location: c:\windows\system32\drivers File Description: IMAPI Kernel Driver File Version: 5.1.2600.1106 (xpsp1.020828-1920) [5.1.2600.1106] Product Name: Microsoft? Windows? Operating System Product Version: 5.1.2600.1106 [5.1.2600.1106] Company Name: Microsoft Corporation -- Terry, West Sussex, UK

OK, I'm sort of reassured by what you say about ASPI. However, composing my last post got me to thinking I'd screwed up by getting Adaptec into the scene, when I don't use any Adaptec stuff. And just now I saw a recommendation that another thing to try to recover from ASPI troubles (for Nero users) was to paste a copy of the Nero ASPI into C:\WINDOWS\system32\. Anyway, that tool you recommended loks very handy. Here's what it reports: Filter Position Filter Driver / Object Upper Class Filter InCDPass Upper Class Filter incdrm Upper Device Filter redbook Device Object DVDRW IDE 16X Lower Class Filter MxlW2k Lower Class Filter Pfc Lower Class Filter PxHelp20 Lower Class Filter AnyDVD Lower Device Filter imapi Although all that is largely incomprehensible to me, I'm very surprised to see those references to inCD. I disabled inCD a week ago while doing all this DVD work, as I'd heard it could interfere. And I disabled the inCD Helper in Services too. So I was sort of assuming inCD was out of the equation. But that stuff above seems to imply otherwise, in which case maybe that's a possible cause of this formating problem? I'll be back shortly with that 'F8 paste'. -- Terry, West Sussex, UK

Somehow missed your prompt reply, sorry. My last report was obviously sent before reading it. I'll run another one now following the F8 approach. I had a bad experience when I installed SP2 a years or so ago, and promptly reverted to SP1. But yes, I suppose I should bite the bullet again now The only part of your post I don't understand is "...need to check your filter drivers etc." That whole area (amongst many!) is a black art to me. So, if it comes to exploring that, hope you can give me a pointer please? FWIW, a week or so ago I had a message from Nero and other progs saying my ASPI was corrupted. Without really knowing what ASPI is, after much research I found and installed a recommended prog called Force ASPI (apparently OK for XP) which appeared to correct that issue. Its associated tool, Aspichk.exe, reports: ADAPTEC ASPI WINDOWS NT This utility has checked your current ASPI installation. Version information and the operational status of ASPI are listed below. Component Version Date Size WNASPI32.DLL 4.60 (1021) 09/10/99 45056 WINASPI.DLL 4.60 (1021) 09/10/99 5600 ASPI32.SYS 4.60 (1021) 09/10/99 25244 WOWPOST.EXE 4.60 (1021) 09/10/99 4672 ASPI is properly installed and is fully operational. A total of 6 host adapters have been detected. BTW, one aspect of that which confuses me is that I also have that file WnASPI32.dll in my Nero Program folder, several times, all identical at 164,112 bytes in size. Yet the one above clearly refers to C:\WINDOWS\system32\WnASPI32.dll, a very old version that is a mere 45,056 bytes. Sorry to throw in all these issues which are way OT to ImgBurn, but as you'll have seen I'm floundering here -- Terry, West Sussex, UK

OK, it didn't need an hour. I used a fresh Verbatim DVD+RW and went through same procedure as before. The only thing I did differently was to change speed from MAX to 2.4x. Reached 16% of the erase in about 10 mins, but was still at 16% about half an hour later. So I terminated ImgBurn via Task Mgr and tried your method of ejecting by re-running. Took a couple of minutes to get to the stage when 'E' was accessible. After re-inserting, it then took another minute or so to 'Open Device'. Any thoughts on why all that is so slow please? Here's the paste: DVDRW IDE 16X A091 (ATA) Current Profile: DVD+RW Disc Information: Status: Complete Erasable: Yes Formatted: No (In Progress) Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x, 4x Physical Format Information (ADIP): Disc ID: MKM-A02-00 Book Type: DVD+RW Part Version: 2 Disc Size: 120mm Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified Number of Layers: 1 Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP) Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit Track Density: 0.74 um/track First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608 Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,491,711 Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0 Physical Format Information (Last Recorded): Disc ID: MKM-A02-00 Book Type: DVD+RW Part Version: 2 Disc Size: 120mm Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified Number of Layers: 1 Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP) Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit Track Density: 0.74 um/track First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608 Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,491,711 Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0 Current Format Capacity: Sectors: 2,295,104 Size: 4,700,372,992 bytes Time: 510:03:29 (MM:SS:FF) Maximum Format Capacity: Sectors: 2,295,104 Size: 4,700,372,992 bytes Time: 510:03:29 (MM:SS:FF) Hope this helps. Please advise if there are any other tests that might be useful. BTW, I ordered some more RW discs yesterday, and hope to be able to try those in a day or so. -- Terry, West Sussex, UK

OK, thanks. Could I also use Tools|Drive|Unlock Tray? Good - that means my nervousness was unfounded. I'll go ahead and run another blank +RW. BTW, can I just initiate the formating, or do I have to select a burn operation first as I have been doing? I'm wondering if Tools|Drive|Erase Disc|Full is identical to formating? Understood. I suppose it's a matter of opinion, but I'd personally rather not have to wait 30-60 mins or whatever formating should take, before doing a 5 minute burn! Wouldn't it be possible to make that an Option setting? If true that's obviously worrying. But I have used a few DVD+RW discs successfully in the past, so either the software I was using (probably Nero Express, NeroVision Express and ConvertXToDVD) were more tolerant than ImgBurn, or didn't require formating at all, or a fault has developed with my BTC DVD drive since then. Or I suppose a software or driver issue has arisen. Any thoughts on how I might isolate the cause beyond any doubt please? OK, I'll get onto that right now and report back asap. -- Terry, West Sussex, UK

Thanks, appreciate the prompt reply. I've just tried an identical burn in ImgBurn 1.3.0.0 with brand new disc of same type, Verbatim DVD+RW. ImgBurn gave same message but this time progressed steadily from 0%. However, it's now been 102 mins, of which about 75 has been at 99%. Looks like I'm going to have to forcibly terminate again, probably resulting in yet another coaster. Also, if I load brand new disc into Nero Express, why does that not ask me to format or erase? And, if PowerDVD plays the content of a previously-written disc directly before I load it into ImgBurn, how can it need formating? What is the recommended method to terminate ImgBurn in this situation please? I get "Erasing Disc... Sorry, you cannot cancel this operation." And I cannot manually eject the disc. I have used Ctl-Alt-Del to forcibly close ImgBurn, but I still cannot eject the disc. So I'm going to have to reboot again -- Terry, West Sussex, UK

I'm new to ImgBurn, although I have used DVDDecrypter for a few weeks and understand that was its predecessor? I'm getting very frustrated with the following problem, so hope someone can help me resolve it please. At the risk of including redundant stuff, I'll describe a specific example in detail, although this now affects several of my RW discs. I successfully made an ISO from my video file folders with ImgToolClassic. I then tried to burn that with ImgBurn 1.3.0. The +RW Verbatim disc contained a previous DVD I made some time ago, which played fine in PowerDVD directly beforehand. ImgBurn advised me that 'This disc needs formating before you can write...'. I said Yes. It then started erasing, which is presumably part of formating? But it then stayed at 0% for hours! Occasionally '0% - Erasing Disc...' was replaced by 'Erasing Disc...', but then '0% - Erasing Disc...' would appear again. The drive ("BTC DVD +/-R 16x") LED was flashing, but as far as I coud see nothing significant was happening. There's no Abort or Cancel button, so I had to force termination via XP task manager. In case it helps, here's the ImgBurn Log as it stood at 07:43 07:08:15 ImgBurn Version 1.3.0.0 started! 07:08:15 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 1) 07:08:15 Initialising SPTI... 07:08:15 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... 07:08:16 Found 1 CD-RW, 1 DVD-ROM and 1 DVD+/-RW! 07:09:12 Operation Started! 07:09:12 Device: [1:0:0] DVDRW IDE 16X A091 (Hsmile.gif (ATA) 07:09:12 Media Type: DVD+RW (Disc ID: MKM-A02-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x) 07:09:12 Quick Erase: No 07:09:12 Erasing Disc... Happy to provide any other information or try whatever is suggested. I'm very keen to sort this as I have had warm recommendations for the 2-stage ImgTool Classic plus ImgBurn combination as a more reliable way of burning than Nero (6) Express. BTW, posted this in video.help forum (so far with no useful answer), before realising this specialist forum existed -- Terry, West Sussex, UK