AlbertEinstein

I just checked. They're all still correct in the Windows 10 File Explorer. I think the software is indexing [0], [1], [2] into my desktop icons versus the absolute values that don't depend on a specific order.

I don't know how it happens but sometimes the incorrect icons are shown for the corresponding file extension types. For instance, my default player for .mp4 files is VLC. The representing icon should be the orange "traffic cone" but it's not. Now, when I right-click the entire line in the DLE and select properties, that window still shows the properly configured icon which is the orange traffic cone. *EDIT for completeness*: This mismatched icon between file extension types is only mismatched in the conceptual view (if you will, will you?) of the DLE, not the top.left actual file explorer view. All those icons still match up properly with their corresponding extension types. *EDIT # 2: More good news. I just realized that the icons being shown in the authoring view of the project files are the very first icons on my desktop. So yeah, this looks like some kind of indexing error (from a programming perspective). While I only have 3 different extension types in my project, I'm guessing the software is indexing (inproperly) into a master Windows icon database and using the same indexes versus the "absolute" indexes that would be required to match these up right. It's just a nitpick bug that I wish would get fixed. It doesn't really effect anything seriously as far as mastering discs go, but hey, it's a bug, and bugs are nasty and we should exterminate them. So, I'm reporting the bug. On a related note, are we any closer to a new release of this software than we were a year ago or is it just kinda suspended in an infinite state of "unknown"?

Actually, I've been playing with PowerShell today using the Get-ChildItem command for a listing of files on my BD-R optical media. I got a ton of read errors along the following lines: + CategoryInfo : ReadError: (I:\archives\data\private\video\homemade:String) [Get-ChildItem], IOException + FullyQualifiedErrorId : DirIOError,Microsoft.PowerShell.Commands.GetChildItemCommand And issuing this command in succession gets different results. The first execution got only 82 results. The second execution got 168 results. So very random. So, I'm pretty sure at this point, the ever-present bumping'n'grinding on my optical drive/media is a fault of either the BD-R drive itself or just crappy optical media. I really should try a more high quality brand like Verbatim. So, I've adjusted my theory yet again. I think it's 100% related to the optical drive or the media and has nothing to do with Windows...at least not much if at all.

Another thought has crept into my brain since my last post. I notice that a lot of this bumping'n'grinding occurs randomly when Windows wakes my PC up out of it's sleep mode. I am wondering if Microsoft's Windows is trying to do some virus scan or file indexing or some other "service" on the optical disc without regard for the very fact that it is an optical disc volume. This would explain the "working perfectly at times" and bumping'n'grinding horribly at other times on the same media... It may not be an issue with the media at all, just a function of what the software is trying to do with it...

I may try this when I run out of my current fat stack of RiTECH BD-R discs. Oh, also. I guess I lied. So, that makes me a LIAR! Okay, I'm just kidding. I forgot. I did purchase a stack of BD-R DL discs in 2023 called 'ValueDisc' from Amazon. Although, I'm not even sure if I've had problems with those. I'll have to start monitoring when my BD-R is 'bumping and a grinding...GOOD TIMES' and when it's not. I don't own a stand alone Blu Ray player. I use the single LG BD-R internal optical drive on my PC for everything, including watching movies burned to BD-R. That's a good idea though. I could test these on a stand alone BD-R player to see how they do.

Hi there. Thank You for your post. It will save me the money I was apparently going to "BLOW" on a Memorex optical media cleaning kit. I can tell you all the brands of BD-R media I've purchased over the lifetime of owning the LG BD-R optical drive: Optical Quantum and RiDATA from New Egg. I never delete my log files so I have a history of probably over 20 burns. I looked in the log files and couldn't find anything that contains 'MID' or 'CMC'. I also looked at my last burned BD-R in the 'Write Mode' as you suggested. It shows a lot of meta-data but nothing that identifies the disc. Does this step require an unburned BD-R disc to get that information? Anyhow, you're probably spot on. My media is mostly Optical Quantum and RiTECH. I've never purchased Verbatim BD-R media. But if that would eliminate the grinding it might be worth it to me. My BD-R motor has probably lost 50% of it's natural life from bumping'n'grinding. So, I guess we all end up paying the same, one way or another. And lastly, and ironically, the BD-R disc seems to behaving perfectly at the moment using your ImgBurn software to access the media. I don't know what causes it to work perfectly at times and horribly at others on the same PC and the same disc. Bizarre!

I know this is an old thread but since I am still suffering from the same issue with the same BD-R optical media player I want to ask a new question which eluded me the first time around. The constant bumping'n'grinding that my BD-R just can't get enough of...could it be due to a dirty laser lens? I've never even thought about this the first time I posted this question. I've never used or let alone purchased an optical media lens cleaning kit. But years later, this just makes some sense, that maybe I do need to purchase an optical media laser lens cleaning kit. You have an LG BD-R optical media burner just like me. You never experience this issue, so why should I have to? Maybe it's not poor burns or even poor media but just a dirty optical laser lens which prolongs my agony? Is this my ticket to nirvana? What are your thoughts?

This is all well and good but I specifically do my burns at 2x because I'm very safe and conservative about the process. Does the burn speed literally burn the maximum read speed into the media as well?

No, it's not. Although, I have some BD-R DL I have burned, this specific disc isn't that.

I just used ImgBurn to verify the disc and it finished in 12+ minutes. No reported errors. So, this is the randomness I speak of. But again, it might be more related to the Windows software than my hardware. ImgBurn had no trouble at all verifying the disc.

My BD-R drive is an LG WH10LS30 with firmware 1.02 which is the latest available according to the LG support website.

Oh, I have believe me. I'm a patient person who likes to learn and understand things. But seriously, waiting 5 minutes for the bump'n'grind to stop just to get a damn root folder up on the screen tells me something isn't right. That's what I hate about optical media. When people laugh at me for still using it today I always have the reliability argument to fall back on. And I still stand by that argument. I think BD-R can last up to 20 years, let alone M-Disc lasting up to a 100 years. But this this painful bumping'n'grinding is what I hate about optical media. If that could be done away with somehow I would be more proud to use this older technology without question. And btw, I think I have said this in times past, but it seems like ImgBurn can get a read on discs faster than Windows, at least sometimes. And I think that has to do with the way the software attempts to read the volume and file descriptors on the disc. So, there's that factor also in all of this craziness.

Okay, firstly, I burned the BD-R as a data disc. Yes, it contains some video clips in mostly .mp4 video container formats. But I wouldn't want to view all the videos to verify the quality of the burn. It contains all manner of different files besides video including images, text files, etc. So, just think of it as a data disc. So, this flakiness I speak of means exactly that. Sometimes, I'll try to read the BD-R disc and Windows spins....*quitely* a few times to get synchronized to whatever the hell it's syncing up with and then it shows me the root folder on my optical media in the 'File Explorer" or a good old fashioned PowerShell prompt (I use both). As I stated, sometimes this process is very quick, sometimes I hear a lot of bumping'n'grinding before I get the display of a root folder. And sometimes I have to end up killing the process because it's just not happening. Much like some blind dates in real life might go down...it's *just not happening*. So you kill the process. And yes, this is on the same disc at different times.

I've recently mastered a freshly burned BD-R 25GB disc. Sometimes it seems to behave properly for the Windows OS and sometimes not. This randomness is the reliability of an optical media disc, literally, from day to day is what puzzles me most about optical media. Is it that flakey? What metrics, if any, can be used to check the quality of a burned disc, if that's even possible. Thanks for reading!

Thank You very much for your reply. It's all that was needed to make me feel better about the wait. As long as there is progress I'm sure the wait will be worth it.

I have this intuition inside me that says it's best to first compress hundreds of small files into single larger files before backing up and burning this data to optical media. And the reason is the horrid noise making that occurs from my past experiences when Windows has to browse through a folder of small files, especially folder/files that are images. I hate the constant grinding noises that occur when browsing optical media full of small files. So, I guess what I am saying (or asking) is should I be using my optical media to archive only and not browsing the data on it as though it were an acceptable device for browsing the data it holds, other than possibly video files which would be written, and likewise, read mostly sequentially anyway. And therefore be larger files by the same token.

I would like to know the state of this software. It's like a mystery. Is there a planned public release date? Is there a planned definite time frame for period of beta which would be to work out bugs and a public release target date for a newer version? I can't help but think the reason for all delays is related to monetary issues. If so, that's perfectly fine but keeping the user base is the dark is not going to effect those issues. At least, I wouldn't think so. It seems like enough time has passed now to work out any bugs. But just some tidbit of what is going on behind the scenes would be nice.

Thank You very much for the help on this. I'll pass your comments on to the developers applications that fall short of this feature!

ImgBurn is, at the moment, the only software package on the Windows platform that I am aware of that supports the maximum character limit of 126 characters for an optical media label using the UDF file system. However, it is fully supported, again AFAIK, on almost every Linux operating system. I keep pushing everyone I can for the adoption of software developers, including Microsoft, to fix this shortcoming in their software packages. But one question I have is, how ImgBurn supports this feature when the Windows Operating System itself, does not? I would be very interested to know so that we could at least offer this solution to other developers interested in supporting the UDF file system properly.

Well, then why won't Microsoft fix this issue? Why does their crappy File Explorer still only show 32 bytes of data for a Volume label these days? I hate that crap!

I think your software got the fields backwards. I read in the UDF standard that the 'Volume Identifier' has a maximum length of 32 characters and it's actually the 'Volume Set Identifier' that get's the recommended maximum length of 128 characters. Not that this matters all that much to me. Because I would rather get 128 characters for the 'Volume Identifier' as I never even really use the 'Volume Set Identifier' when authoring my discs. It's just something I realized today when reading over the standard. Your software has the names backwards but that's a good thing. Anyhoo, looking forward to the next release of this software, if it ever happens.

Thank You for your post. It's not a big deal really. I was just curious if the metadata was there somehow. I guess not. Maybe it's in that real small print literally on the inside ring of the disc? I'll pull out my magnifying glass out and see what I can deduce there. But at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter. I use a regular old black Sharpie marker to label most of my media. It's a perfect stand-in until I find extra time and ambition to do up some fancy laser printed labels. And if it's so damn hard to tell them apart then why treat them as such? LoL! I crack myself up!

I've bought multiple spindles of BD-R media and I was curious to know if I got 2 spindles discs mixed up somehow I could reorganize them into their proper spindle by way of a batch code or something unique that ties them all to a specific spindle? Like a manufacturer date or whatever?

I totally agree with you. Optical media (BD-R @ 50 GB disc for me) plus flash for supplemental backups, not for long-term storage. Or more transient backups when you wanna move files between PCs in a physical way. It's all good.

Well, I have to question your claim that CD's can't be improved on. I mean, you can buy flash/SDXC storage and use them in portable devices these days in most new vehicles. And there is no chance in hell of the disc skipping if you hit a large pothole. The sound quality of music on a flash stick would be the same as it is on a CD-R. I think the biggest plus for optical media is the longevity of the burn and the cost per gigabyte if you get a good buy on the media whether it's CD-R, DVD-R, or BD-R. Of course, I use BD-R because they store 5x as much data as DVD's and up to 50x data over CD-R if you buy dual-layer. And for $5 a pop you could buy a BDXL disc to store 100GBs of data. That is equivalent to 1000 CD-Rs. No swapping of discs would be requiring but then again flash is the most convenient replacement for optical media these days.