AlbertEinstein

Another thought has crept into my brain since my last post. I notice that a lot of this bumping'n'grinding occurs randomly when Windows wakes my PC up out of it's sleep mode. I am wondering if Microsoft's Windows is trying to do some virus scan or file indexing or some other "service" on the optical disc without regard for the very fact that it is an optical disc volume. This would explain the "working perfectly at times" and bumping'n'grinding horribly at other times on the same media... It may not be an issue with the media at all, just a function of what the software is trying to do with it...

I may try this when I run out of my current fat stack of RiTECH BD-R discs. Oh, also. I guess I lied. So, that makes me a LIAR! Okay, I'm just kidding. I forgot. I did purchase a stack of BD-R DL discs in 2023 called 'ValueDisc' from Amazon. Although, I'm not even sure if I've had problems with those. I'll have to start monitoring when my BD-R is 'bumping and a grinding...GOOD TIMES' and when it's not. I don't own a stand alone Blu Ray player. I use the single LG BD-R internal optical drive on my PC for everything, including watching movies burned to BD-R. That's a good idea though. I could test these on a stand alone BD-R player to see how they do.

Hi there. Thank You for your post. It will save me the money I was apparently going to "BLOW" on a Memorex optical media cleaning kit. I can tell you all the brands of BD-R media I've purchased over the lifetime of owning the LG BD-R optical drive: Optical Quantum and RiDATA from New Egg. I never delete my log files so I have a history of probably over 20 burns. I looked in the log files and couldn't find anything that contains 'MID' or 'CMC'. I also looked at my last burned BD-R in the 'Write Mode' as you suggested. It shows a lot of meta-data but nothing that identifies the disc. Does this step require an unburned BD-R disc to get that information? Anyhow, you're probably spot on. My media is mostly Optical Quantum and RiTECH. I've never purchased Verbatim BD-R media. But if that would eliminate the grinding it might be worth it to me. My BD-R motor has probably lost 50% of it's natural life from bumping'n'grinding. So, I guess we all end up paying the same, one way or another. And lastly, and ironically, the BD-R disc seems to behaving perfectly at the moment using your ImgBurn software to access the media. I don't know what causes it to work perfectly at times and horribly at others on the same PC and the same disc. Bizarre!

I know this is an old thread but since I am still suffering from the same issue with the same BD-R optical media player I want to ask a new question which eluded me the first time around. The constant bumping'n'grinding that my BD-R just can't get enough of...could it be due to a dirty laser lens? I've never even thought about this the first time I posted this question. I've never used or let alone purchased an optical media lens cleaning kit. But years later, this just makes some sense, that maybe I do need to purchase an optical media laser lens cleaning kit. You have an LG BD-R optical media burner just like me. You never experience this issue, so why should I have to? Maybe it's not poor burns or even poor media but just a dirty optical laser lens which prolongs my agony? Is this my ticket to nirvana? What are your thoughts?

This is all well and good but I specifically do my burns at 2x because I'm very safe and conservative about the process. Does the burn speed literally burn the maximum read speed into the media as well?

No, it's not. Although, I have some BD-R DL I have burned, this specific disc isn't that.

I just used ImgBurn to verify the disc and it finished in 12+ minutes. No reported errors. So, this is the randomness I speak of. But again, it might be more related to the Windows software than my hardware. ImgBurn had no trouble at all verifying the disc.

My BD-R drive is an LG WH10LS30 with firmware 1.02 which is the latest available according to the LG support website.

Oh, I have believe me. I'm a patient person who likes to learn and understand things. But seriously, waiting 5 minutes for the bump'n'grind to stop just to get a damn root folder up on the screen tells me something isn't right. That's what I hate about optical media. When people laugh at me for still using it today I always have the reliability argument to fall back on. And I still stand by that argument. I think BD-R can last up to 20 years, let alone M-Disc lasting up to a 100 years. But this this painful bumping'n'grinding is what I hate about optical media. If that could be done away with somehow I would be more proud to use this older technology without question. And btw, I think I have said this in times past, but it seems like ImgBurn can get a read on discs faster than Windows, at least sometimes. And I think that has to do with the way the software attempts to read the volume and file descriptors on the disc. So, there's that factor also in all of this craziness.

Okay, firstly, I burned the BD-R as a data disc. Yes, it contains some video clips in mostly .mp4 video container formats. But I wouldn't want to view all the videos to verify the quality of the burn. It contains all manner of different files besides video including images, text files, etc. So, just think of it as a data disc. So, this flakiness I speak of means exactly that. Sometimes, I'll try to read the BD-R disc and Windows spins....*quitely* a few times to get synchronized to whatever the hell it's syncing up with and then it shows me the root folder on my optical media in the 'File Explorer" or a good old fashioned PowerShell prompt (I use both). As I stated, sometimes this process is very quick, sometimes I hear a lot of bumping'n'grinding before I get the display of a root folder. And sometimes I have to end up killing the process because it's just not happening. Much like some blind dates in real life might go down...it's *just not happening*. So you kill the process. And yes, this is on the same disc at different times.

I've recently mastered a freshly burned BD-R 25GB disc. Sometimes it seems to behave properly for the Windows OS and sometimes not. This randomness is the reliability of an optical media disc, literally, from day to day is what puzzles me most about optical media. Is it that flakey? What metrics, if any, can be used to check the quality of a burned disc, if that's even possible. Thanks for reading!

Thank You very much for your reply. It's all that was needed to make me feel better about the wait. As long as there is progress I'm sure the wait will be worth it.

I have this intuition inside me that says it's best to first compress hundreds of small files into single larger files before backing up and burning this data to optical media. And the reason is the horrid noise making that occurs from my past experiences when Windows has to browse through a folder of small files, especially folder/files that are images. I hate the constant grinding noises that occur when browsing optical media full of small files. So, I guess what I am saying (or asking) is should I be using my optical media to archive only and not browsing the data on it as though it were an acceptable device for browsing the data it holds, other than possibly video files which would be written, and likewise, read mostly sequentially anyway. And therefore be larger files by the same token.

I would like to know the state of this software. It's like a mystery. Is there a planned public release date? Is there a planned definite time frame for period of beta which would be to work out bugs and a public release target date for a newer version? I can't help but think the reason for all delays is related to monetary issues. If so, that's perfectly fine but keeping the user base is the dark is not going to effect those issues. At least, I wouldn't think so. It seems like enough time has passed now to work out any bugs. But just some tidbit of what is going on behind the scenes would be nice.

Thank You very much for the help on this. I'll pass your comments on to the developers applications that fall short of this feature!