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  1. On 12/1/2021 at 8:05 AM, kamild_ said:

    Thanks for the advice, but shortly after creating this thread I found a nice deal on a new S12XLT for about 60 EUR, so I chose that one.

    I also forgot to mention that the Pioneer BDR-S12XLT that you purchased, which is the premium retail model for the European region, has the additional feature of Piioneer's PURE READ version 4+, which is for the purpose of maximum CD red book audio reading accuracy and error correction / interpolation. PURE READ function is avaiilable only on their premium drive models only and not available on the lower models such as BDR-212EBK or BDR-212DBK. So the differences are beyond cosmetic compared to the lower models. You can read more about PURE-READ development / concepts here in these Google translated Japanese pages:



    There's also a huge index of Pioneer ODD development articles in this index page and that gives the reader an idea how deeply they are involved in their ODD development in every aspect and component of it as they're they only remaining ODD manufacturer that makes all their own components.

    Japanese text in images on pages don't get translated. Only actual text based characters will be:

    You'll also need to download the Pioneer BDR-S12XLT utility for more specific drive control to fully use the drive's capabilities, available here for that model:


    Might as well also check for available firmware updates while you're on that same page.

  2. On 11/30/2021 at 6:34 PM, dbminter said:

    As far as I know, Ritek is the only manufacturer still making 8x DVD+RW.  And they can only be purchased in Imation branded discs.

    I think you should look a bit more closely at all the Ritek OEMed optical media. They have several brand names and some are licensed to them for use, like Plextor, which is licensed to Ritek for media branding, while Vinpower appears to have licensed the Plextor name for ODD hardware. The Ritek group markets optical media under nine different brands for different geographical regions and media grades. Just click on these sub-brands of the Ritek group to review the media offerings:


    The media MID is probably Ritek anyway so as far as the drive goes it is the same media, more likely than not. You'll just have to buy some to try them out and find out. Also, presently Maxell DVD+RW media is supposedly OEMed by Ritek. I've used those also under the Maxell brand.

  3. 13 hours ago, dbminter said:

    I'm going by experience simply trying to put ODD's into cases.  It was always struggle for me because of my large hands.  And, working with screws is a bit difficult for that reason.

    Most modern casings use tooless drive bays, but you can always add screws to further secure the mounted drives and you can use nose-tipped pliers to hold screws as you operate a screwdriver. Building your own system allows you to have full flexibility and choice of components.

  4. 6 hours ago, dbminter said:

    I can't really build my own rig because of the size of my hands.  I'm 6 foot 6 and a half and my hands are pretty large.  It's difficult to work inside of a tower for me.  So, I've never built my own machines.  I just get Dell's, which I'm (Generally.) happy with.  Dell's used to have 2 half height bays in them until like 4 years ago, when I got my first Dell that had a slim BD in it.

    That's a new one I've never heard of. It's not that hard and it's not like watchmaking, so I think if you tried it, you'll probably discover that you could build a system since everything is standardized and modularized.  If you can hold a regular screw between your fingers and operate a screw driver, then you probably can build a system. There are also various tools but generally building systems these days don't require more than perhaps a flat blade or Philips screw driver at most. Many computer casings are tooless and the only time you need to deal with screws are mounting the motherboard and dealing with expansion slot screws. I've been building all my computers since day one so I've never known what it's like to buy a pre-packaged system, which generally uses much cheaper components. Systems I've built for myself and others have easiliy run 1 1/2 decades or longer without major problems. The only time I would end up getting anything pre-packaged is a notebook computer but you can even easily customize / upgrade those these days.

    It's probably not a good idea to buy a Pioneer 12-series ODD when the 12-series is already on the way out. Best to wait for the 13-series and their various variants. I do plan to pick up a premium 13-series model sooner rather than later. And for reasons I explained earlier, I doubt I will be using any type of DVD media again much, unless it's for a bootable disc for system restore, that sort of thing. But since BDs are bootable with any bootable ISO written on it, anything larger than a single layer DVD will go to a bootable BD for me.

  5. 6 hours ago, dbminter said:

    If I had a PC tower that supported half height bays and had 2 of them, I would keep 2 BD drives.  The WH16NS60 for reading and writing DVD, CD, and BR-RE and a Pioneer for BD-R.  Unlike the NS60, on Pioneer models, you actually can get 16x write speeds on 16x BD-R.  However, my tower only has 1 slim bay in it, so my NS60 is housed in a VanTech USB 3.0 enclosure. I used to rock dual ODD's in my towers back when they made PC's with half height bays and had an extra one in them.  I had a Pioneer BD and a LiteOn for DVD and CD.

    There's still a good number of PC casings with two or more externally accessible drive bays, though they are rarer than before. Most of the lower end casings have them. I usually look for those instead of transparent panels on the side and useless flashy LED illumination in the casing and components.

  6. 6 hours ago, kamild_ said:

    Thanks for the advice, but shortly after creating this thread I found a nice deal on a new S12XLT for about 60 EUR, so I chose that one. Compared to my previous BH16NS40 - no issues so far, it's quieter, faster (the old drive often liked to stall the "closing disc" process for up to an hour) and hasn't failed to verify a single burn yet. Hopefully it remains that way for long.

    Yes, the Pioneer BDR-S12XLT BDXL writer is perfectly fine even though it was just discontinued. I just got one for a system I'm building for someone else and am expecting it to work as well as the several 09-series I have. I hope to acquire a new 13-series soon at some point. The newer generation Pioneer BD drives have faster action in BD recognition to get to ready state when such a disc is inserted. They also manufacture all their components in the drive.

  7. And this review of the Pioneer 12-series on CDR-Info Poland, the review of which is in English (they have some English articles sometimes), details the now discontinued Pioneer 12-series BD / BDXL writer model variants in detail, which goes back to the original topic of this thread:


    The test report is very extensive but the author also misses a lot of the unique / high end features of the Japanese domestic versions of their premium BDXL drive model variants, presumably because this information would only be noted if they had read the Japanese information for those ultra-premium models, which cost about four times the cost of their regular models, a price that few people buying ODDs these days would be willing to shell out.

  8. On 11/29/2021 at 7:22 AM, dbminter said:

    Ah, I was not aware the Optiarc was still in manufacture.  I used to love those.  They were my drives of choice until they disappeared, as far as I could tell.  I use BD burners now, so I wouldn't get an Optiarc, but it's nice to hear they still make those.

    You might be interested in this review on CDR-Info Poland, on the current Vinpower-Optiarc AD-5290-Plus:

    The article is in Polish and unfortunately Google Translate doesn't work in translating the site into English, so you'll have to copy and paste chunks of text into Google Translate to get the gist of it. The PLUS suffix on this drive is the overburn capable version of the current AD-5290 series, of which there are four sub-versions of. In fact, I had just installed this very model for a new system build recently and will soon be able to test it out alone side a Pioneer BDR-S12XLT as this is a dual ODD system. This test report is extensive and also uses Imgburn 2.58 as part of their test tools. Overall, this Philips-Liteon OEMed drive has quite good performance, on par with Sony-Optiarc drives. So I would say Vinpower did a good job of carrying on the Optiarc name. This drive has good performance reading flawed / damaged discs, performed well on CD audio extraction tests, had good access times on the faster side, and overall a pretty good drive. Those that liked the later generation Sony-Optiarc ODDs will find the Vinpower-Optiarc DVD writers to be a worthy successor to carry on the name.

    What's surprising is that in this 2017 test of an early production sample of the Vinpower-Optiarc AD-5290 DVD writer, the older Pioneer 02/03 series BD writers really didn't perform that well for CD/DVD media tests, though a much later 09-series BD drive did much better. This reaffirms my hunch that it's best to have a dual ODD set up with one Optiarc CD/DVD writer and a Pioneer BDXL writer (or whatever BD writer one might prefer) so that each drive can produce the best writes on their respective media that they are best specialized to write on. I don't doubt the 13-series CD / DVD performance has improved compared to the older generations, but for anything non-BD I would use the Optiarc instead and save the wear from the Pioneer BD/BDXL writers. The Vinpower-Optiarcs continue to use Mediatek chipsets, which works fine with quality analysis utilities like Opti-Drive Control.

  9. 10 hours ago, dbminter said:

    No, not incredibly bad luck.  Repeated tests bear out it's the firmware.  I try unformatted discs: failure.  I then regress the firmware back: success.  I then try fully formatting a disc that had failed after regressing the firmware back: success.  Repeated unformatted disc tests for years bear out the same results.  Your success MAY have been on a Pioneer, BUT it was definitely written on a different drive.  Initially, some Pioneer firmware would work IF the disc was first fully formatted on a different drive.  Any formatting the Pioneer firmware would do failed.  However, even that workaround eventually stopped working.  Discs formatted in other drives, like the LG WH16NS60, would also fail on future Pioneer firmware.

    Not sure how you can regress a Pioneer firmware as the Pioneer firmware upgrader doesn't allow that. I write to all DVD media in the Sony Optiarc (as mentioned earlier), and only use the Pioneer BDXL writer for BD media only. The Ritek DVD+RW 8X media I recently used was from an old spindle still having left over virgin media and is the same as the Amazon URL you showed above. I no longer use any DVD media. Error rates on DVD media are also mediocre over long term, and either have to be rewritten or recopied to new discs.

    One of the most important points that most people miss is that CD and DVD media were primarily designed first and foremost as read only media, with writing capability added afterwards, whereas BD media was designed from the outset as recordable / rewritable media. As a result, BD's file system has the important advantage over CD / DVD media in that the BD-RE file system provides for bad sector management / remapping. With CD / DVD media, if you run into bad spots on the media, there's no recourse for logical sector replacement / remapping. You just get corrupted data. For this reason, in additional to low capacity, I no longer use DVD media, rarely so, unless it was a special situation where the DVD was made to be bootable, which is why I wrote that DVD+RW in the first place, as an emergency boot disk for HDD back up image restoration for a back up program. I would only use CD media if it was for red book audio, such as CD-RW for a car player. Other than that, there are extremely few reasons for me to use CD or DVD these days. I've fully migrated to BD-RE-TL for archival (outgrew the 50 GB capacity a number of years ago) and am very glad to leave CD / DVD media behind.

  10. 16 hours ago, dbminter said:

    I forget because it's been so long since I had a BH LG drive, but is the difference between it and the WH that the WH supports M-Disc and the BH doesn't?  I forget if the BH model supported M-Disc writing.

    Nope, it's not related to M-Disc. I did a bit of digging and BD ODD models with B-prefixed models are retail, presumably retail packaged and includes ODD software. W-prefixed models are bulk / OEM. I suppose this is similar to what Pioneer does with their ODD models also, with the branded and unbranded OEM type models where the latter are cheaper but more or less the same drive internally. The Hitachi-LG BD/DVD drives that have C and U-prefixed models are BD-read only with DVD write capability. These particulars are applicable to internal ODD drives from Hitachi-LG or LG alone.

  11. 10 hours ago, dbminter said:

    For the past 5 or so years, Pioneer BD drives have had 2 fatal flaws.  The first is they will always fail to write to Ricoh/Ritek 8x DVD+RW media, when they used to write fine up until like 1.03 firmware on some model from years ago.  Ever since, they will always fail Verify, even when using unformatted discs.  If you regressed the drive back to 1.02 firmware, writing was fine.  Every firmware since has had this flaw.  I keep telling Pioneer about it, every time I try one of their later models to see if they fixed it, but they refuse to.  The MID is listed in the master media list, so there shouldn't be these compatibility issues, and there weren't until after like 1.03 of the firmware for that model. Also for the past few years, BD-RE from Ritek/Memorex refuse to Verify at anything beyond 2.1x for the vast majority of Verify time.  So, it takes about twice as long to Verify a full BD-RE as it should.  This is the 2nd fatal flaw in the firmware. Plus, the last Pioneer model I tried had no staying power whatsoever.  Pioneer replaced it after before 2 months, when it died, and the replacement died after 2 months, too, necessitating a refund. All of these things turned me off from Pioneer, which I used to love.  Pioneer made the first ODD I ever had that lasted beyond 2 years.  I got 2.5 years out of that BD drive.

    Funny you should mention Ritek DVD+RW 8X media made in Taiwan, because I had just finished writing to such a disc just fine a couple of days ago, though I believe I did it on the Sony Optiarc DVD writer. I only use my Pioneer BDXL drive for BD media to keep the wear down. I try to avoid DVD media these days as the capacity is too small for my own use and I think that's why I continue to build systems that have dual ODDs, one of which will be an Optiarc DVD writer. I've not had a single failure though with any Pioneer DVD or BD writer over the last two decades and my 09-series BDXL writers have worked normally, as have a past 06-series BD writer. Perhaps your two failures in a row have been incredibly bad luck.

    As for BD media, I personally would buy discs actually made in Japan only, and avoid other discs. There are numerous ways to ensure the media is Japan made. For sure, for any BD triple layer media, it is for sure made in Japan presumably due to the manufacturing difficulties of triple layer media.

  12. 17 hours ago, dbminter said:

    Ah, I was not aware the Optiarc was still in manufacture.  I used to love those.  They were my drives of choice until they disappeared, as far as I could tell.  I use BD burners now, so I wouldn't get an Optiarc, but it's nice to hear they still make those. Thanks for pointing out about the Pioneer 213 line coming out.  I was about to try a 212 again to see if Pioneer had fixed the glaring issues with the drives/firmware that turned me off of their models.  But, if a new one is coming out possibly next month, I'll wait to see if a 213 is available.

    The current Optiarc DVD ODDs under Vinpower aren't the exact same drives as those made by Sony, so how good / compatible they are remains to be seen. But since Vinpower had technically consulted with Sony for continued development, I'm hoping they are decent. I actually once used one of the later Pioneer sunset models that I believe are similar or the same as the current Vinpower version of the Piodata DVD writers, and they had some problems with CD playback. I'll have to test out the Optiarc drives to see if they have any of these problems as I had just set up a system with one of the Vinpower-Optiarc 5200 series DVD writers, since all of the DVD ODD brands including Plextor, Piodata and Optiarc under Vinpower are all OEMed by Philips-Liteon and all have that distinctive and identifiable drive covered shape that you can tell is a Philips-Liteon OEM product. I think a new system build with an Optiarc DVD writer plus one BDXL writer is still a good dual ODD combo. It also saves the BD/BDXL drive from unnecessary wear from DVD / CD playback, etc. I'm not sure why Vinpower picked up the Optiarc line and restarted production with the AD-5000 series instead of the AD-7000 series, which is where Sony-Optiarc left off when they quit the market.


    What problems with Pioneer BD writer firmware are you referring to? I assume you're aware there's a media compatibility list for each of the BD drives they release (even with the Pioneer BDR-212V customized by Vinpower).

  13. 18 hours ago, LIGHTNING UK! said:

    Does this drive not work? It says the enhanced model of this vinpower drive supports scanning.

    I hadn't noticed this drive before. But it is a Hitachi-LG drive so not sure what chipset the drive is using, but I suppose I could ask them. However, that it can support disc quality scanning will depend on whether it's with the Vinpower scanning utility or Opti-Drive Control utility. The odd part about the Pioneer BD drives is that while they use the Renasas chipset, it is possible to run Opti-Drive control on it for error rates check, but only on DVD media only, and not BD media. I do have a recent model Hitachi-LG ODD that supports BDXL and it doesn't work with Opti-Drive control. I'll have to dig into this a bit further about this drive. Of course, there's always the Pioneer professional BD writers that supports error scanning, but they aren't BDXL drives.

    Speaking of Hitachi-LG drives, I wonder what the difference is between their BH-series and WH-series BDXL writers? The model number suffix appears to depend on if the drive is branded primarily Hitachi-LG or just LG, respectively. Also, it does seem like LG is using the Mediatek chipset, so that gives some hope of using it with Opti-Drive control for BDXL quality scanning. I would say though, when it comes to firmware updates, Pioneer's updates are somewhat more organized / consistent over the life of a given ODD model as well as providing information on the improvements of the firmware update, compared to Hitachi-LG / LG, both of which provides barely any technical information about their drives in the first place, much less firmware update details / improvements.

  14. On 9/24/2021 at 1:19 AM, kamild_ said:

    I'm looking for a new BD-R writer (just for regular backups on multi-layer Blu-Rays and occasionally M-Discs) and as far as specs go, I found two devices that seem to satisfy my requirements - Pioneer BDR-S12XLT and Pioneer BDR-212EBK.

    The Pioneer BDR-S12XLT is the premium branded retail version with glossy piano black front bezel and uses additional Pioneer premium features like honeycomb embossed anti-vibration drive casing, anti-dust design and sealing, etc. The BDR-212EBK is the branded regular OEM grade model. Both were concurrently available models within the Pioneer "12" series ODD product line, which have now been discontinued. The 13-series models will soon be launched by 2021 mid-December in Japan. Most 12-series inventory are now mostly depleted.

    If you can, wait for the 13-series models. Based on past models, you can probably expect a BDR-S13XLT, a BDR-213EBK (the E-suffix appears to denote European market model), BK-suffix denotes black coloured bezel, because Pioneer used to offer several bezel colours, including black, white and a 3rd colour which I don't remember at the moment. There will likely also be a BDR-213DBK OEM unbranded model, which is a BD (non-BDXL) only model, where the D-suffix denote deletion of the DVD-RAM writing function. For North American, there should be a BDR-2213 branded retail bundle with BD software. Pioneer so far has announced two domestic Japan models for the 13-series, an ultra premium model and a regular branded model. I personally use multiple Pioneer 09-series BDXL writers and their performance and consistency have been superb and predictable so far. I also recently installed a Pioneer BDR-S12XLT and will soon find out if this drive will perform as expected.

    An alternative could be the Pioneer BDR-212V BD writer (non-BDXL) whose V-suffix denote the DVD firmware portion optimization by Vinpower for improved DVD media writing and overburn. This drive is fairly reasonably priced. Vinpower is a California based American company who manufactures and distributes ODD duplication towers, as well as continuing Sony-NEC's Optiarc DVD ODD brand (with technical consultation with Sony), Plextor brand and Piodata (having taken over Pioneer's previous DVD line), all of these DVD drives which are now OEMed by Philiips-Lite-On in Taiwan.


  15. Does anyone know which brand / models of BD or BDXL readers or writers use the Mediatek chipset? It seems that Philips-Liteon has discontinued their internal BD reader drives, Sony apparently used to use Mediatek chipsets but have been out of the ODD market for years now. Samsung doesn't appear to make any internal BDXL drives, and Hitachi-LG BD/BDXL ODDs don't appear to use the Mediatek chipset, as I recently tested one from Hitachi-LG and it did not work with Opti-Drive Control utility to test BD LDC/BIS rates.

    Pioneer BDXL writers allow for Opti-Drive Control disc quality tests for DVD media, but not BD/BDXL media.

  16. I was wondering if it would be possible to create a bootable BD on BD-RE-DL media (or any capacity BD media for that matter) from a bootable-DVD ISO image, simply by using the desired BD media and directing Image Burn to that bootable DVD ISO? The image's size normally requires DVD+/-R-DL media and since I have more BD-RE-DL media at hand I would rather not have to buy a stack of blank DVD+/-R-DL discs for very infrequent use. The only concern I could think of is whether modern UEFI based Windows hardware will be able to read a bootable BD (assuming that's possible to create from Image Burn) since BD would require at least UDF 2.5 or later support by the motherboard firmware, whereas DVD reading would only require UDF 1.02 support. Thanks for any input / advice.

  17. Yes, I do normally want all subfolders within a folder I drag to the layout I'm creating, to be added, so in this case I do want RECURSE SUBDIRECTORIES ticked. It was just that it somehow became unticked and it didn't hit me immediately that this could be the reason why the FOLDERS SKIPPED log message occured. As for why that tick box isn't persistent across Imgburn sessions, I think may have something to do with me selecting different ODDs, e.g. between my DVD writer and my BD writer, and perhaps Imgburn stored different values for that tick box. So when I flipped between different ODDs, that box status changed. But I still notice it not sticking all the time and I'll be verifying the state of that tick box closely from now on. Strangely, I don't think I had that box ticked the whole time I was doing BD writes, yet all the files I dragged into the disc layout editor were accepted and no log messages appeared during layout creation.

    I also check all folder and files count closely comparing the layout folders / file count versus the HDD's source folder / files count. After writing to disc, I re-check the written disc's folders / files count to confirm it is exactly the same as the HDD source folder / files count. Only after that do I delete the HDD source folders to free up disc space after archival to optical disc.

  18. Yes, I always had the impression tick boxes like RECURSE DIRECTORIES could be assumed to be persistent across Imgburn sessions, which is why I didn't think of that being an issue and hadn't looked there for a potential problem. I didn't load any saved projects either and have lately mostly used Imgburn with the settings it last saved. I always do only open one instance of Imgburn, never more than one. I would think that would be asking for trouble what with drive locking, etc so I definitely haven't had multiple instances of the program running as I didn't want to risk any drive access conflicts. The FOLDER SKIPPED log messages remain a mystery, but at least now I was able to write out the DVD image to the DVD+RW disc and get on with what I needed that for.

    I just tested Imgburn again. No disc inserted in the ODD this time. But unticking the RECUSE DIRECTORIES box and then trying to create the exact same layout in the disc layout editor, reliably reproduces the same problem with the SKIPPED FOLDERS messages. So for whatever reason Imgburn logic decides to do that, I'm not sure. I surmised originally that it was warning me that I'm losing folders in the layout even though I dragged it to the layout in the editor (when RECURSE box is unticked).

  19. Thanks for the follow up. After a few more failures just now trying to successfully create the disc layout for the DVD+RW write, it turns out the problem is due to the RECURSE SUBDIRECTORIES tick box being disabled. I'm glad it was something simple. Yet strangely, only the long path folders generated the SKIPPED FOLDERS log message but other folders with much shallower folder nesting did not (and also appeared to be added to the disc layout successfully despite recurse option disabled). I also noticed that the RECURSE SUBDIRECTORIES tick box for some reason sometimes does not persist across Imgburn sessions. This means I have to check the status of that box each time I start up Imgburn.

    As far as UDF 2.50 support for BD reading, I'm aware that actually UDF 2.50 was supported beginning with Windows Vista. Win-XP can support BD reading via UDF 2.50 if a 3rd party UDF driver supporting UDF 2.X is installed, such as the Nero UDF driver for In-CD packet writing, and that works fine reading BDs written in UDF 2.50 also.

    Also, just to be sure, if I choose only UDF as the file system, then under the ADVANCED - RESTRICTIONS tab, is it correct to assume that the any file system not used, in this case ISO9660 and JOLIET, that their tabs' settings are completely irrelevant regardless of what they may be set to, since I've selected only UDF as the file system? I was wondering if the on-line Imgburn guides / settings reference have ever been made into a downloadable PDF?

  20. On 1/12/2019 at 3:13 PM, LIGHTNING UK! said:

    Can't say that I've ever tried issuing the SMART ERASE command to an optical drive, I don't recall it being covered in the MMC docs, so I've never had a reason to.

    As far as BD media goes, just now I had accidentally used SMART ERASE (while actually intended to use FULL ERASE) on BD-RE media to do a full erase and Imgburn popped up a dialogue box saying that smart erase cannot be used on BD media, so that answers that question.

  21. I'm trying to archive a number of folders and files onto a single layer DVD+RW disc which has already been properly formatted by Imgburn using the full erase function with the PROPERLY FORMATTED option enabled. There are several concerns / problems arising from building the image with the disc layout editor: I've already read up on the Imgburn guides before posting this.

    1. I am still unclear about which file system needs to be used for a DVD-ROM format write - should only UDF 1.02 be selected, or should ISO9960 + UDF 1.02 be selected? I assume MODE-1/2048 data type is selection to be used. Since this isn't intended to be a DVD-Video format, I'm unsure if UDF should even be included as part of the file system selection.

    2. If I use more than one file system, is it necessary for more than one volume label to be entered into all the file systems' volume label fields in order for the same volume label to appear under all file systems used in the write?

    3. I have a folder on the source disk (HDD) that has more than 8 levels of folder nesting. I'm not sure how I did it the first time, but after using the disc layout editor, I go back to the INFORMATION tab and then click the CALCULATOR button to determine disc space consumption and only on the very first time I did this, the log reported that the long file paths file names were somehow altered (presumably because file path length was too long). Altered to what I'm not sure for starters, but now on a second session of Imgburn I tried to repeat the same process and the disc layout editor simply completely IGNORES the long pathed folders and they are now OMITTED from the layout completely. So I'm not sure which options I did or didn't tick the second time around that caused the file layout editor to ignore folders that had long paths. These tick boxes that I'm not sure about includes:

    FOLDER FILE NAME LENGTH - I selected LEVEL-2, 31 characters, and also ticked the boxes for ALLOW MORE THAN 8 DIRECTORY LEVELS and also ALLOW MORE THAN 255 CHARACTERS IN PATH. But no matter what I do, the disc layout editor continues to ignore long path folders from the layout I create even though I do drag the folders into the layout.

    It would seem to me that I may need to ZIP the long path folders into a ZIP file for optical disc write if the folder nesting is too deep. But I'd like to know which tick boxes I mentioned above should be enabled or not. I knew there was some deep nesting in some folders and had expected this sort of problem to arise during layout creation.


  22. 18 hours ago, dbminter said:

    But, it is a random Windows problem.  It was working fine one day and then stopped working right that was fixed by restoring Windows to a previous point where it was working fine and apparently resumed working fine again.  That's what I define as a random Windows problem.  And Windows is prone to doing just such things.  It will randomly forget user settings or how to perform an operation it had done just fine before.  Or randomly delete important program files that are needed for a program's operation so that it won't work anymore, etc.

    I actually have my suspicions about what the cause is, likely due to a software update in a particular installed program due to the timing of the symptoms' occurance, but didn't want to go into it at length and keep the subject matter on topic related to ODD observations. As for back up, it's a practice for safe computing which goes without saying.

  23. Yes, except this isn't just some random problem with Windows. It was a very specific and never before encountered disk I/O issue that even looked like a hardware problem at first. its symptoms appeared even well before the pre-desktop loading phase finished in Windows, it was something fundamental on the lowest level of OS services. Could have been some type of damage to the installation somehow or it was altered during updating of my anti-virus software. I've been using both DOS and Windows for decades, and have never encountered something like this on a highly stabilized, tightened and lean running OS installation that's been running stably for a very long time. Best just to restore from image than to spend time hunting and fixing the problem. Though ultimately, it was interesting to see the disc tests afterwards in the graphs I posted.

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