Verb +R DL's

[Grain]

Finally tried out 8X DL burning a little while back with a Pioneer 111D, as the BenQ 1650/5 won't/can't do better than 2.4X with MKM-001-00 Here's the result:

 

I 20:59:44 ImgBurn Version 1.2.0.0 started!

I 20:59:44 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)

I 20:59:44 Initialising SPTI...

I 20:59:44 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 20:59:44 Found 4 DVD?RWs!

I 21:01:10 Operation Started!

I 21:01:10 Source File: G:\DVD ISO's\Maxtor ISO's\Q_THE_WINGED_SERPENT.MDS

I 21:01:10 Source File Sectors: 3,219,789 (MODE1/2048)

I 21:01:10 Source File Size: 6,594,127,872 bytes

I 21:01:10 Source File Implementation Identifier: Daikin U.S. Comtec Lab

I 21:01:10 Destination Device: [1:1:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-111D 1.06 (F:) (ATA)

I 21:01:10 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: MKM-001-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x, 8x)

I 21:01:10 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824

I 21:01:10 Write Mode: DVD

I 21:01:10 Write Type: DAO

I 21:01:10 Write Speed: MAX

I 21:01:10 Link Size: Auto

I 21:01:10 Test Mode: No

I 21:01:10 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 21:01:10 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1,999,200

I 21:01:10 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: Copied From Original Disc

I 21:01:37 Filling Buffer...

I 21:01:42 Writing LeadIn...

I 21:01:53 Writing Image...

I 21:01:53 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 1999199)

I 21:08:50 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 1999200 - 3219788)

I 21:13:13 Synchronising Cache...

I 21:13:14 Closing Track...

I 21:13:26 Finalising Disc...

I 21:19:06 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:17:55

I 21:19:06 Average Write Rate: 9,483 KB/s (6.8x) - Maximum Write Rate: 11,159 KB/s (8.1x)

I 21:19:06 Cycling Tray before Verify...

I 21:19:32 Device Ready!

I 21:19:33 Operation Started!

I 21:19:33 Source Device: [1:1:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-111D 1.06 (F:) (ATA)

I 21:19:33 Source Media Type: DVD+R DL (Book Type: DVD-ROM) (Disc ID: MKM-001-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x, 8x)

I 21:19:33 Image File: G:\DVD ISO's\Maxtor ISO's\Q_THE_WINGED_SERPENT.MDS

I 21:19:33 Image File Sectors: 3,219,789 (MODE1/2048)

I 21:19:33 Image File Size: 6,594,127,872 bytes

I 21:19:33 Image File Implementation Identifier: Daikin U.S. Comtec Lab

I 21:19:33 Verifying Sectors...

I 21:33:38 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:14:02

I 21:33:38 Average Verify Rate: 7,657 KB/s (5.5x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 10,350 KB/s (7.5x)

 

 

Not that great

Here's one at 6X.

 

I 19:45:42 ImgBurn Version 1.3.0.0 started!

I 19:45:42 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)

I 19:45:42 Initialising SPTI...

I 19:45:42 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 19:45:52 Found 4 DVD?RWs!

I 19:47:15 Operation Started!

I 19:47:15 Source File: G:\DVD ISO's\Maxtor ISO's\RE_ANIMATOR_DISC1.MDS

I 19:47:15 Source File Sectors: 2,917,199 (MODE1/2048)

I 19:47:15 Source File Size: 5,974,423,552 bytes

I 19:47:15 Source File Volume Identifier: RE_ANIMATOR_DISC1

I 19:47:15 Source File UDF Revision: 1.02

I 19:47:15 Destination Device: [1:1:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-111D 1.06 (F:) (ATA)

I 19:47:15 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: MKM-001-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x, 8x)

I 19:47:15 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824

I 19:47:15 Write Mode: DVD

I 19:47:15 Write Type: DAO

I 19:47:15 Write Speed: 6x

I 19:47:15 Link Size: Auto

I 19:47:15 Test Mode: No

I 19:47:15 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 19:47:15 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1,686,608

I 19:47:15 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: Copied From Original Disc

I 19:47:40 Filling Buffer...

I 19:47:49 Writing LeadIn...

I 19:48:01 Writing Image...

I 19:48:01 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 1686607)

I 19:55:11 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 1686608 - 2917198)

I 20:00:42 Synchronising Cache...

I 20:00:43 Closing Track...

I 20:00:54 Finalising Disc...

I 20:04:27 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:17:12

I 20:04:27 Average Write Rate: 7,666 KB/s (5.5x) - Maximum Write Rate: 8,377 KB/s (6.0x)

I 20:04:27 Cycling Tray before Verify...

I 20:04:53 Device Ready!

I 20:04:53 Operation Started!

I 20:04:53 Source Device: [1:1:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-111D 1.06 (F:) (ATA)

I 20:04:53 Source Media Type: DVD+R DL (Book Type: DVD-ROM) (Disc ID: MKM-001-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x, 8x)

I 20:04:53 Image File: G:\DVD ISO's\Maxtor ISO's\RE_ANIMATOR_DISC1.MDS

I 20:04:53 Image File Sectors: 2,917,199 (MODE1/2048)

I 20:04:53 Image File Size: 5,974,423,552 bytes

I 20:04:53 Image File Volume Identifier: RE_ANIMATOR_DISC1

I 20:04:53 Image File UDF Revision: 1.02

I 20:04:53 Verifying Sectors...

I 20:18:28 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:13:31

I 20:18:28 Average Verify Rate: 7,194 KB/s (5.2x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 9,682 KB/s (7.0x)

 

[Grain]

Here's a comparison on a burn scanned on both a BenQ1655 & the Plex 716 it was burned on.

 

I 09:59:17 Operation Started!

I 09:59:17 Source File: G:\DVD ISO's\Maxtor ISO's\ROBOCOP Dirrectors Cut\ROBOCOP_USSE.MDS

I 09:59:17 Source File Sectors: 4,063,713 (MODE1/2048)

I 09:59:17 Source File Size: 8,322,484,224 bytes

I 09:59:17 Source File Implementation Identifier: Daikin U.S. Comtec Lab

I 09:59:17 Destination Device: [0:0:0] PLEXTOR DVDR PX-716A 1.09 (D:) (ATA)

I 09:59:17 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: MKM-001-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x)

I 09:59:17 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824

I 09:59:17 Write Mode: DVD

I 09:59:17 Write Type: DAO

I 09:59:17 Write Speed: MAX

I 09:59:17 Link Size: Auto

I 09:59:17 Test Mode: No

I 09:59:17 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 09:59:17 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,050,592

I 09:59:17 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: Copied From Original Disc

I 09:59:17 Filling Buffer...

I 09:59:24 Writing LeadIn...

I 10:00:09 Writing Image...

I 10:00:09 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2050591)

I 10:08:34 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 2050592 - 4063712)

I 10:16:55 Synchronising Cache...

I 10:17:07 Closing Track...

I 10:17:08 Finalising Disc...

I 10:17:50 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:18:32

I 10:17:51 Average Write Rate: 8,078 KB/s (5.8x) - Maximum Write Rate: 8,380 KB/s (6.1x)

I 10:17:51 Cycling Tray before Verify...

I 10:18:29 Operation Started!

I 10:18:29 Source Device: [0:0:0] PLEXTOR DVDR PX-716A 1.09 (D:) (ATA)

I 10:18:29 Source Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: MKM-001-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x)

I 10:18:29 Image File: G:\DVD ISO's\Maxtor ISO's\ROBOCOP Dirrectors Cut\ROBOCOP_USSE.MDS

I 10:18:29 Image File Sectors: 4,063,713 (MODE1/2048)

I 10:18:29 Image File Size: 8,322,484,224 bytes

I 10:18:29 Image File Implementation Identifier: Daikin U.S. Comtec Lab

I 10:18:29 Verifying Sectors...

I 10:36:07 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:17:32

I 10:36:07 Average Verify Rate: 7,725 KB/s (5.6x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 11,134 KB/s (8.0x)

 

BenQ Scan

 

Plextor Scan

 

Appears the Plex can read it's own burn fairly well. Strangely enough, the Plex does each check as an independant scan ie the Pi, Pif, & jitter were independant scans/reads, took a long time.

[Pain_Man]

The speeds you got on your 111D are almost identical to the speeds I get on my 110D Pioneer for DLs. Set at 8x, it averages 6.01, 6.02, with peaks about 8.1, 8.2.

 

The scans you put up for the burn at 6x looks very much like the scans I get for disks burnt in the 110D at 8x.

 

Basically, in the scans I've done, 16x with single layers and 8x with DLs rarely get anywhere near their supposed maximums. With the 16xers I average around 10ish and with the 8x on the DLs, as I've said, its a little above 6.

 

For whatever reason, reaching those manufacturer rated "maximums" just doesn't happen. The speed difference between 8x and 16x single layers (both formats) is 60 to 90 seconds in favor of the latter.

 

So, in my opinion, it really isn't worth spending extra money to buy 16x media even Taiyo 16x. As both Grain and I have observed, we get better scans when we slow the max down to 8x or 12x. And with the Pioneer and the Plex the 8x media should burn at 12x*--so you're going to achieve about the same average burn time/speed as with the 16x media (again, both formats).

 

Plus, to reiterate, for whatever reason, the scans look better when the speed is set to the lower numbers.

 

*That's for Taiyos.

 

(BTW: As I'm sure you know, the Plex comes with its own extensive set of testing tools.

 

I've run comparative scans with Nero's CD/DVD Speed tool and there's quite a bit of difference between its scans and DIP's.)

Edited April 22, 2006 by Pain_Man