PhilJW Posted January 19, 2017 Posted January 19, 2017 Following issues with the internal DVD writer on my laptop I've bought an external BD writer (Samsung SE-506CB). I've burn one SL and one DL fine, with no problems with them being verified. But since these first two every disc has failed verification (both SL and DL). Can anyone explain why as I'm getting through a lot of discs..... I 12:52:14 Operation Started!I 12:52:14 Building Image Tree...I 12:52:22 Calculating Totals...I 12:52:22 Preparing Image...I 12:52:23 Contents: 64 Files, 17 FoldersI 12:52:23 Content Type: BD VideoI 12:52:23 Data Type: MODE1/2048I 12:52:23 File System(s): UDF (2.50)I 12:52:23 Volume Label: VOL_1_1965_1967_CAMBRIDGE_ST_ATIONI 12:52:23 Size: 11,910,706,007 bytesI 12:52:23 Sectors: 5,815,809I 12:52:23 Image Size: 11,912,085,504 bytesI 12:52:23 Image Sectors: 5,816,448I 12:52:25 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:11I 12:52:25 Operation Started!I 12:52:25 Source File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-I 12:52:25 Source File Sectors: 5,816,448 (MODE1/2048)I 12:52:25 Source File Size: 11,912,085,504 bytesI 12:52:25 Source File Volume Identifier: VOL_1_1965_1967_CAMBRIDGE_ST_ATIONI 12:52:25 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 4A3366870058BFC1I 12:52:25 Source File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0I 12:52:25 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurnI 12:52:25 Source File File System(s): UDF (2.50)I 12:52:25 Destination Device: [0:0:0] TSSTcorp BDDVDW SE-506CB TS02 (E:) (USB)I 12:52:25 Destination Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: CMCMAG-BA5-000)I 12:52:25 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6xI 12:52:25 Destination Media Sectors: 12,219,392I 12:52:25 Write Mode: BDI 12:52:25 Write Type: DAOI 12:52:25 Write Speed: 2xI 12:52:25 Hardware Defect Management Active: NoI 12:52:25 BD-R Verify Not Required: YesI 12:52:25 Link Size: AutoI 12:52:25 Lock Volume: YesI 12:52:25 Test Mode: NoI 12:52:25 OPC: NoI 12:52:25 BURN-Proof: EnabledI 12:52:25 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 8,992 KB/s (2x)I 12:53:29 Filling Buffer... (80 MiB)I 12:53:30 Writing LeadIn...I 12:53:54 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 5816447)I 12:53:54 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 5816447)I 13:09:16 Synchronising Cache...I 13:09:23 Closing Track...I 13:09:24 Finalising Disc...I 13:11:09 Exporting Graph Data...I 13:11:09 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Phil\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_BDDVDW_SE-506CB_TS02_19-JANUARY-2017_12-52_CMCMAG-BA5-000_2x.ibgI 13:11:09 Export Successfully Completed!I 13:11:09 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:18:43I 13:11:09 Average Write Rate: 12,617 KiB/s (2.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 20,691 KiB/s (4.7x)I 13:11:09 Cycling Tray before Verify...W 13:11:39 Waiting for device to become ready...I 13:11:40 Device Ready!I 13:11:41 Operation Started!I 13:11:41 Source Device: [0:0:0] TSSTcorp BDDVDW SE-506CB TS02 (E:) (USB)I 13:11:41 Source Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: CMCMAG-BA5-000)I 13:11:41 Source Media Supported Read Speeds: 2.2x, 4x, 6xI 13:11:41 Source Media Supported Write Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6xI 13:11:41 Source Media Sectors: 5,816,448I 13:11:41 Source Media Size: 11,912,085,504 bytesI 13:11:41 Image File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-I 13:11:41 Image File Sectors: 5,816,448 (MODE1/2048)I 13:11:41 Image File Size: 11,912,085,504 bytesI 13:11:41 Image File Volume Identifier: VOL_1_1965_1967_CAMBRIDGE_ST_ATIONI 13:11:41 Image File Volume Set Identifier: 4A3366870058BFC1I 13:11:41 Image File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0I 13:11:41 Image File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurnI 13:11:41 Image File File System(s): UDF (2.50)I 13:11:41 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAXI 13:11:42 Read Speed - Effective: 2.2x - 6xI 13:11:42 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 5816447)I 13:11:42 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 5816447)W 13:20:39 Failed to Read Sectors 3733536 - 3733567 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 13:20:47 Failed to Read Sector 3733536 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 13:20:47 Sector 3733536 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2tsW 13:20:58 Retrying (1)...W 13:21:08 Retry Failed - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorE 13:21:16 Failed to Read Sector 3733536 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorE 13:21:16 Sector 3733536 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2tsE 13:21:16 Failed to Verify Sectors!I 13:21:17 Exporting Graph Data...I 13:21:17 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Phil\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_BDDVDW_SE-506CB_TS02_19-JANUARY-2017_12-52_CMCMAG-BA5-000_2x.ibgI 13:21:17 Export Successfully Completed!E 13:21:17 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:09:35I 13:21:17 Average Verify Rate: 13,031 KiB/s (3.0x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 17,635 KiB/s (4.0x)I 13:21:18 Close Request AcknowledgedI 13:21:18 Closing Down...I 13:21:18 Shutting down SPTI...I 13:21:18 ImgBurn closed!
Ch3vr0n Posted January 19, 2017 Posted January 19, 2017 Use better blanks. CMCmag is pure crap of the cheapest kind. Sent from my Nexus 6P with Tapatalk.
dbminter Posted January 19, 2017 Posted January 19, 2017 I was going to suggest the same thing. Even if the first 2 worked fine, CMC is known to have a failure rate on DVD, SL and DL. My experience with a few cakestacks before I knew about them were that they failed to burn 50% of the time. Of the 50 that passed burning, 50% of them failed Verify. You could try checking the Disc ID on the 2 discs that passed and see if they're CMC as well. If they're not, that's probably why they worked before.
PhilJW Posted January 19, 2017 Author Posted January 19, 2017 Now this is worrying. The SL that burned okay is a CMCMAG-BA5-000 The DL that burned okay is a VERBAT-IMf-000 However both were Verbatim discs (SL a cake, DL from jewel case). If I bought Verbatim how did I get CMC?
PhilJW Posted January 19, 2017 Author Posted January 19, 2017 I just thought I'd check a Verbatim DVD-DL I have also burned successfully using the Samsung writer (though it took an age to verify with a speed of only 0.5 - it did verify successfully) and that is a MKM-003-00. Maybe I'm being dim but when I buy Verbatim how am I getting other makes?
dbminter Posted January 19, 2017 Posted January 19, 2017 Verbatim is known to farm out to CMC for its BD-RE. Never have known Verbatim to farm out to CMC for BD-R. Verbatim also farms out all of its CD and DVD to CMC if you buy the Life series from brick and mortar stores. Only the DataLife Plus CD and DVD media found online are any good from Verbatim. What country are you posting from? Verbatim might be using CMC when selling in other countries. I know some other manufacturers in other countries farm out to other manufacturers for their outside the US sales. I know the BD-R Verbatim makes that are sold in Office Depot are not CMC. If you're in the United States, I can give you a link to the Amazon.com BD-R SL I've used for 5 years.
PhilJW Posted January 19, 2017 Author Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) I'm in the UK and have always used Verbatim (way back to the days of burning CDs for mates). Bought through Amazon.co.uk where the vast majority of the reviews are glowing though several people have put "As others have mentioned the discs are made by CMC Magnetics. DVD identifier shows as "CMCMAG" BA5." Is there anyway of telling from the packaging who the 'real' make is? Or how I can get genuine Verbatim discs? Edited January 19, 2017 by PhilJW
dbminter Posted January 19, 2017 Posted January 19, 2017 No, there is no indication on any manufacturer's packaging that lists who the actual manufacturer is. They don't put that information on there because if you knew the source of who made it, you may not buy it because it's junk media. The only way you'll know relatively surely is to buy off of online stores with reviews that tell you the manufacturer. However, that's not always reliable because companies can change the manufacturer of their discs at a moment's notice. I used to use Optodisc about 15 years ago because they used to make their own quality blank DVD. Then, they switched to CMC, and that's how I learned about them. I posted somewhere else about my issues and they eventually revealed to me I was using CMC media. And, some people don't mind using CMC. Some people never have burning or verify issues with CMC on their particular model of burner. However, the disc quality is generally so low that the discs probably won't be readable after a few years. Anyway, issues on this board deal with CMC media all the time. In like 75% of the cases, their problems go away when they don't use CMC. So, we God posters tend to immediately lay the blame on CMC media when we see it used and recommend getting rid of it as the first step. As I said, it doesn't ALWAYS solve the issue. But, since it generally happens a lot, it tends to fix a lot of the issues.
dbminter Posted January 19, 2017 Posted January 19, 2017 I checked Amazon.co.uk for any DataLifePlus BD-R media. The only DataLifePlus BD media there is DL, but you seemed to already have a good BD-R DL source as that wasn't CMC. So, I guess there is no BD distinctly labeled DataLifePlus. I know on Amazon.com, there was no need to look for DataLife Plus Verbatim BD-R as all the BD-R's I ever got weren't made by CMC. My guess is CMC will probably never make a BD-R(E) DL because they can't be made cheaply. Verbatim used to farm out to TDK for its BD-RE DL before it started making its own. If they could be made cheaply, CMC would already be flooding the market with them. They do make DVD DL media and some of Verbatims BD-RE, and apparently their BD-R for the UK market.
PhilJW Posted January 19, 2017 Author Posted January 19, 2017 Would you mind posting the Amazon.com link please? Just so I can compare with whats available in the UK. Many thanks.
dbminter Posted January 19, 2017 Posted January 19, 2017 There are two kinds I've gotten, branded and inkjet. The difference is simply the branded surface has Verbatim's logo on it, and other identifying information about the media, and the inkjet media can be printed to on its label surface. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GSQ4DBM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-DataLifePlus-White-Inkjet-Printable/dp/B004477BQQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1484853459&sr=8-1&keywords=inkjet+verbatim+bd-r I've used more of the branded label surfaces versus the inkjet label surfaces. Oh, wait, those inkjet BD-R's do say DataLifePlus. I had forgotten. I thought there was no such designation for BD-R. I was wrong. Of course, I haven't used the inkjet ones in a long time.
Ch3vr0n Posted January 19, 2017 Posted January 19, 2017 You have branded inkjet datalife ones, and non branded. Neither have ever given me issues. I've pretty much only used printable verbatim (branded and non branded) with my lg burners. No issues ever. Sent from my Nexus 6P with Tapatalk.
dbminter Posted January 19, 2017 Posted January 19, 2017 The only issues I've ever encountered with inkjet media were double layer media. For whatever reason, the inkjet Verbatim DataLifePlus DVD+R DL would fail to verify at the layer break on my Pioneer BD burner. The branded ones, with the SAME Disc ID, would work, but not the inkjet ones. A firmware update fixed that issue, though. Now, my LG burner does have the same issue with Verbatim inkjet BD-RE DL that Verbatim makes. They fail at the 2nd layer to verify. Now, the same Disc ID on Verbatim's branded BD-RE DL don't fail, and neither do the inkjet Verbatim BD-RE DL that TDK made for them. However, the ones Verbatim makes themselves came out AFTER the last firmware update to the LG BD drive 2 years ago. Since it seems LG will never update the firmware for this drive again, it seems unlikely this issue will ever get resolved. The only failures I've ever had with the BD-R branded were drive related. The drives needed replacing. The last Pioneer I got of the same kind failed to write to these BD-R right out of the box. I did have one weird case where a Verify failed because it said the next sector it was expecting to read simply wasn't there. I burned the same image again without problem.
PhilJW Posted January 20, 2017 Author Posted January 20, 2017 Interestingly my issues started with the same thing. My Pioneer DVD burner would not burn past the layer break on Verbatim DVD+R DL printables. I couldn't find a firmware update (even with help here) so I thought I'd buy a Blu Ray burner to replace and that way could back up a few BDs I have that are known to fail (Pink Floyd Immersion boxsets etc) as well as burn the DVDs I needed to. Then the problems started with burning BDs........ I am going to talk to Verbatim and see if they can tell which discs aren't made by CMC
PhilJW Posted January 20, 2017 Author Posted January 20, 2017 I received these details from Verbatim customer support - might be useful information for anyone in the UK The 437xx series has the Mediacode VERBATIMe, The 43804, 43811, 43812 have the media code CMCMAG BA5. So at least hopefully you can order selectively.
zurst Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 Hi people I'm using CMCMAG-BA5-000 also (Verbatim Datalife), and I think are quality media, these discs are HTL. Sometimes is difficult to trust which discs to buy, not enought info on the internet. As far as I know is true, CMC made pure DVD rubbish, not the same with these ones, I burnt more than 40 without problems. I don't understand 'On this drive' statistics, not true https://www.raymond.cc/blog/test-cd-or-dvd-readability-by-running-surface-scan-and-file-test/ I purchased these week 1 spindle of Mediarange MR508 BD-R Dual layer 50 GB 6x, these discs are HTL, and Mediacode is . . . VERBAT-IMf-000 Not tested yet, but I think these discs should have a good quality. Kind regards
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now