Errors starting with the second layer for BD-REs

[blueq]

Hello,

I'm addressing a common error that appears on rewriteable DL blurays, that start with the second layer usually with the first sector or set of sectors here.

 

The error looks like this:

I 11:26:32 Verifying Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 12219391)
I 11:47:48 Verifying Layer 1... (LBA: 12219392 - 21538335)
W 11:47:59 Failed to Read Sectors 12219392 - 12219423 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 11:48:08 Failed to Read Sector 12219392 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error

 

Similar issues, that may have the same causes, are here:

 

http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?/topic/23861-movies-always-stuck-randomly-on-50gb-bd-re-dl/

http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?/topic/24285-io-error-burning-dual-layer-bluray-re/

http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?/topic/24588-blu-ray-burning-fails-during-verification/

 

I don't have a root explanation why is this happening but I'll share my experience on that.

 

I'm using:

I 20:56:39 -> Drive 1 - Info: ASUS BW-16D1HT 1.01 (K:) (SATA)

 

First media was:

I21:02:19 Source Media Type: BD-RE (Disc ID: VERBAT-IM1-000), about 10 of them. They worked flawlessly until I started to rewrite them, when some iso's gave the error described.

 

I suspected the drive unit, so the vendor replaced it as faulty, giving me a new one with 3.0 firmware.

I 18:40:57 -> Drive 1 - Info: ASUS BW-16D1HT 3.00 (H:) (SATA)

The big surprise was that the errors still come as usual. After trials I found that a simple but loooong full erase before writing result in a good copy.

So the first rule: Always run a full erase before writing!

 

Sadly, later, I found that certain images won't give up with a good copy whatever full erases done or measures taken. So, reading some posts here, I acquired

I 09:23:59 Destination Media Type: BD-RE (Disc ID: MEI-T01-001) that seems to work flawlessly testing with the prior images that weren't working on Verbatim. The media Is Panasonic from ebay.

So the second rule: Try another media!

 

It appears that the drive unit is not important as the error appears for different units. The media may be important as different media may give different results, but I think there is more than that, concerning a combination of BDRE standard implementation, the image content you try to write and the media type.

 

My advice may not be too much, but if I had known these it would've saved me a lot of time.

 

Haven't tried yet to write on Panasonic without prior full erase.

 

Cheers,

Edited June 11, 2017 by blueq

[dbminter]

Well, I know the internal ASUS I tried was absolutely useless at writing rewritable media, BD-RE DL or otherwise.  It was junk; it destroyed a BD-RE DL I threw at it, along with a DVD+RW.  LG's BD writer was also trash at writing DL media.

 

 

So, it's a combination of the drive not liking to write BD-RE DL and the media you're using.  The only drive I've ever seen that wrote BD-RE DL correctly was my Pioneer BD-2209.

[blueq]

Hi dbminter,

I had read your review about the Asus drive but I cannot confirm the deviant behaviour of the drives you had. I had no BD-RE DL damaged from writing with my unit.

But yeah the culprit may be also the writing quality of the unit. This was my first guess at the time anyway.

In that error case I wrote, I red the complains of several guys that had different drive units, so my conclusion was that the unit is less implied in it.

[dbminter]

I had 2 different samples of that ASUS model and both did the same thing, so it's a performance flaw in the design on the unit.    The BD-RE DL issue didn't happen right away.  It wrote a few times and then killed it.  DVD+RW killed right away after the first write.  Funny thing is my USB ASUS did nowhere near this bad.

[blueq]

This is one more example of the error, (thanks dbminter!):

http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?/topic/24442-lg-hl-dt-st-bd-re-wh16ns40/

same media Verbatim but different drive.

 

Anyway I think it's easier trying to change the media before changing the unit with possible no avail for a greater loss.

Edited June 11, 2017 by blueq

[dbminter]

Yeah, I would say start with Verbatim media for BD-RE DL first.  Like with DVD+R DL, Verbatim may be the only real quality media out there.  Plus, it's definitely easier to try different media than to crack open your tower and swap out burners.  You could get an enclosure and test them first.  Then if you're satisfied a particular burner is fine with a particular BD-RE DL, you could swap it into the case then.

 

 

Plus, I think the problem is simply the inherent issues always present with more than layer.  If something is going to fail, it's almost always going to fail at the layer change(s) with multiple layer media.

 

 

With my LG WH16NS40, it completes Writes fine but will most of the time fail to Verify at the layer change.  If it does once in a full moon pass Verify, the Verify goes less than 1x on Layer 1.  Luckily, most of my BD-RE DL's only ever burn like 25 to 27 GB, so it's not that much I really need to burn on to the 2nd layer.