Burn Successfully but "Failed to Read Sectors" on verify

[dkazaz]

Hi all

 

I'm having a strange problem. I'm burning bluray discs using a pioneer BDR-209 drive (Windows 10 x64).

 

My burn's complete successfully but I get the following errors in the log:

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I 20:41:44 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 10481439)
I 20:41:44 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 10481439)
W 20:47:11 Failed to Read Sectors 4613216 - 4613247 - Reason: Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (ASC: 0x44, ASCQ: 0x07)
W 20:49:33 Failed to Read Sectors 7431456 - 7431487 - Reason: Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (ASC: 0x44, ASCQ: 0x07)
W 20:50:32 Failed to Read Sectors 8737888 - 8737919 - Reason: Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (ASC: 0x44, ASCQ: 0x07)
I 20:51:47 Exporting Graph Data...
I 20:51:47 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Dimitri\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\PIONEER_BD-RW_BDR-209D_1.10_SUNDAY-13-MAY-2018_20-27_VERBAT-IMe-000_6x.ibg
I 20:51:47 Export Successfully Completed!
I 20:51:47 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:10:03
I 20:51:47 Average Verify Rate: 34,822 KiB/s (7.9x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 49,268 KiB/s (11.2x)

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I'm using a 2-3 different types of media and not had this problem until a week ago. It's worrying because I don't know if I can trust the discs for archiving (I guess I can't). I tried running the verification twice and the same thing happens.

 

Any idea what could cause it? Bad media, problem in the drive, something else?

 

My thanks to anyone who can help!
 

[dbminter]

Is this the 209 or 2209?

 

 

If you've been using this drive fine and it suddenly started acting up, the problem is most likely the drive.  How long have you been using it?  My general experience with the 2209 is it lasts about 2 years before it needs replacing.  Plus, if you're getting this error on all media you try, the problem is either the drive, its connection, or some Windows problem.

 

 

Do you have a known BD you burned and verified successfully that you can put in and manually perform a Verify on?  You probably can't verify against the contents of an image file as you most likely no longer have the image file that the disc was burned from.  But, it can Verify that the contents can be read.  If Verify fails on a disc that Verified before, then it's not the media.  The problem is the drive, its connection, or some Windows error.

[dkazaz]

Hi and thank you for replying. My burner is the 209, which might be the OEM version of the 2209.

 

I have had it for a couple of years so perhaps its on its way out 

 

The strange thing here is that verification seems to complete successfully but with these errors...

I'll try to verify an old disc as you suggest and post back here...

[dbminter]

The 209 and 2209 are just different ways of identifying 2 of Pioneer's BD burners.  They're actually called something else, some kind of string beginning with BD/BDR.  And they have multiple names for them.  I just find it easier to use 209 and 2209 to differentiate them.  The difference between the 209 and 2209 is the 2209 supports BD-R/E T/XL and M-Disc and the 209 doesn't.  You can tell the difference because the 2209 has BDXL printed on the lower left side of the front of the drive and the 209 is just plain blank on the front.

 

 

I recently tried my first 209 and I don't recommend it over the 2209.  In addition to the extra supported media types the 2209 has over the 209, I found some odd behavior with the 209.  For instance, in my USB enclosure where the 2209 works, the 209 doesn't.  The 209 loses communication with the system in mid operation, forcing a power off of the enclosure.  And the 209, when installed internally, works, but will fail Verifies sometimes on Ritek 8x DVD+RW that are brand new and just formatted by the 209.  And when the same discs fail in the 209, they will pass an immediate write test of the same media and image file to the 2209.  Maybe I just got a bad unit, but, as my first experience with the 209, I was underwhelmed by it.  And I recommend the 2209 over it.

 

 

My first 2209 only was just recently replaced.  The Eject button/command, like 1 times in 10, wouldn't work the first time.  But would on the 2nd try.  However all Ejects issued by ImgBurn after a read/write operation were always working.  And it was only writing 4x to 8x DVD+R DL anymore.  It has been used for about 2 years and still "works," just with these odd performance issues.  The Eject button thing also happened to my 2nd 2209.  The 3rd 2209 needed replacing after 7 months, a rare case of Pioneer not being long lived.  My 3rd Pioneer I only just recently replaced after 2 years because what it was writing to formatted rewritable media would not be present once the disc was ejected.  So, it actually wasn't being written to.  My 4th Pioneer I sent back to Amazon.com because it was failing on quality Verbatim BD-R that my other Pioneer was still writing.  The 5th one replaced the 3rd one.  My 6th one replaced the 209 I tried replacing my 3rd 2209 with.

[dkazaz]

So I tested a  few discs including some that are definitely fine and the verification shows the same errors although at the end it says "successfully completed" and plays the happy tune.

 

I guess its time to replace the drive. It seems you recommend the 2209 over the 209? It's about double the price on Amazon UK. Do you think its worth the difference?

[dbminter]

It's a tad odd that the 2209 is double the price.  On Amazon.com, it's only got a 25% premium over the 209.

 

 

If you never plan on using T/XL BD-R/E media or M-Disc or if you never plan on putting the 209 in an external enclosure or if you never plan on using Ritek 8x DVD+RW media (Which, granted, you probably never would as they don't make them anymore and I couldn't find anymore anywhere on the web.) then there's no reason for me to recommend the 2209 over the 209.  However, I never tested the 209 with other types of rewritable DVD's, so the Verifies failing on it that may pass on the 2209 may or may not affect you.  IF you ever even plan on using rewritable DVD media.

[discuser]

The 209 and 2209 are just different ways of identifying 2 of Pioneer's BD burners.  They're actually called something else, some kind of string beginning with BD/BDR.  And they have multiple names for them.  I just find it easier to use 209 and 2209 to differentiate them.  The difference between the 209 and 2209 is the 2209 supports BD-R/E T/XL and M-Disc and the 209 doesn't.  You can tell the difference because the 2209 has BDXL printed on the lower left side of the front of the drive and the 209 is just plain blank on the front.

 

Not all BDR-209 BD writers don't support BDXL media. There are 4 sub-versions of BDR-209. North America gets the worse version of course, which is the BDR-209DBK and that is the only sub-version of BDR-209 that doesn't support BDXL and DVD-RAM media. Without specifying the drive model suffix, it's not possible to determine the exact drive specs.

[dbminter]

Now, that I did not know.  Being in North America, I only ever knew of the strings 209 and 2209, and their various internal ID strings that ImgBurn displays.  So, I always used 209 and 2209 to differentiate between the Pioneer BD drive that supported M-Disc and the one that didn't.  I've only ever had 1 209 and I didn't like it.  It didn't work with my external enclosure like the 2209 did.  And it would fail to Verify DVD+RW that I'd put the exact same disc that had just failed on the 209 in the 2209, burned the same image file to the same disc in the 2209, and it would pass Verify.  So, I don't recommend the 209 over the 2209.  I've had like 6 2209's and only one of them was a dud that had to go back to Amazon.com.  So, I've had better luck with the 2209 over the 209, so I recommend it over the other.

 

 

Now, I could have gotten a bad 209, but it doesn't make me want to try another one to see when I know the 2209 has worked well for me.

[discuser]

Now, that I did not know.  Being in North America, I only ever knew of the strings 209 and 2209, and their various internal ID strings that ImgBurn displays.  So, I always used 209 and 2209 to differentiate between the Pioneer BD drive that supported M-Disc and the one that didn't.  I've only ever had 1 209 and I didn't like it.  It didn't work with my external enclosure like the 2209 did.  And it would fail to Verify DVD+RW that I'd put the exact same disc that had just failed on the 209 in the 2209, burned the same image file to the same disc in the 2209, and it would pass Verify.  So, I don't recommend the 209 over the 2209.  I've had like 6 2209's and only one of them was a dud that had to go back to Amazon.com.  So, I've had better luck with the 2209 over the 209, so I recommend it over the other. Now, I could have gotten a bad 209, but it doesn't make me want to try another one to see when I know the 2209 has worked well for me.

 

09-series is officially a discontinued product. Only the new 11-series is current, even though Pioneer USA web site still lists 09-series products.

[dbminter]

I figured the Ultra HD Pioneer drive would eventually become all you could get.  Why should Pioneer make a drive that costs less and does less when it can charge more for something you may not use? 

 

 

The LG line seems poised to do likewise.  The WH series now has an Ultra HD one.  That's the one I got because the last WH generation had lots of problems writing BD DL media and formatted BD-RE DL that would write corrupt data to Layer 1.  I needed something that still supports 6x DVD-RW for reading.  The 2209 claims it does, but inserting one returns a positioning error where the drive won't even recognize it's been inserted.  I told Pioneer this so maybe they'll investigate.  They did fix the 8x DVD+RW Verify failure that crept in from firmware 1.33 to 1.34 in 1.50.

[discuser]

Don't really have use for U-HD playback on the computer myself, so since Pioneer is charging almost twice for the 11-series at the moment, I just ordered another premium S09 drive, whose inventory is nearly all depleted now but was available almost at the same price I bought the first one four years ago when 09-series was first released. 09 series has had a good four year run. At some point I might consider the S11-J-X ultra-high end version but that's just nice to have, not a must have. I hope I never have to deal with DVD-RW/+RW media again.

[dbminter]

As long as I can find the 2209, I'll keep getting that.  Only when I have to move to the Ultra HD one will I get that.  I've no use for Ultra HD, either.  I do, though, still plenty of DVD writing.  In fact, since they no longer make and I can't find 8x DVD+RW media on the Internet, I got the last 3 cake stacks of 25 Amazon.com was offering last year.  It will take some time before I deplete those.  Once they're gone, I'll use the LG UHD if 6x DVD-RW can still be found.  Which it can still be found laying around Amazon.com, even though they no longer make it.  Otherwise, I'll have to just go to the 4x media they still make.  Which they may not even make those anymore by the time I get around to exhausting my 8x and 6x options.