Shoomy Posted November 13, 2005 Posted November 13, 2005 (edited) I have a pioneer dvr-110 and my problem is that it seems to be capped at x2 no matter what i do also the buffer is crazy, goes up and down by huge percentages constantly I know this is not an imgburn problem(since it happens on nero too) but i dont know where else to ask i tried other places but they did not know what might be causing this a bit of info: I have the latest firmware (1.22) According to the imgburn & nero logs my DMA is on I try burning with verbatim x16 and LG x8 and the problem is the same on both All my burns are successful, just extremely slow at x2 and a crazy buffer( as mentioned above) system specs: P4 3.2GHZ Gigabyte 8I915P Duo 1024MB RAM I would really appreciate any ideas on what to try Edited November 13, 2005 by Shoomy
l8nights Posted November 13, 2005 Posted November 13, 2005 (edited) as far as the buffer goes how long has it been since you defraged once upon a time in a land far away w/ a program that was similar to this very one, I was able to tame a wild buffer by defragging, after getting rid of all unnessecary files and moving all video files to media that is what it's there for and keeping as much free space as possible ever after. as far as the burning is your drive recognizing the media as able to to be burnt faster than 2x? Edited November 13, 2005 by l8nights
Shoomy Posted November 13, 2005 Author Posted November 13, 2005 Well i have 19% total fragmentation so i will defrag and see what happens and according to imgburn: Supported Write Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x
cornholio7 Posted November 13, 2005 Posted November 13, 2005 hello and welcome to the imgburn forum Shoomy can you give us a bit more info about how the drive is connected , maybe post an imgburn log. how is the jumper set?
Shoomy Posted November 13, 2005 Author Posted November 13, 2005 (edited) Hi again holio the drive is connected to the primary IDE as the master i hope this willl help, it is the beginning of a burn in test mode i dont have a full one cause i guess im too tired to wait 30 minutes for a burn I 18:50:28 ImgBurn Version 1.0.0.0 started! I 18:50:28 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2) I 18:50:28 Initialising SPTI... I 18:50:28 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 18:50:28 Found 1 CD-RW, 1 DVD-ROM and 1 DVD?RW! I 18:50:33 Operation Started! I 18:50:33 Source File: C:\Program Files\iso.iso I 18:50:33 Source File Sectors: 508,931 (MODE1/2048) I 18:50:33 Source File Size: 1,042,290,688 bytes I 18:50:33 Destination Device: [1:0:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-110D 1.22 (J:) (ATA) I 18:50:33 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: MCC 03RG20) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x) I 18:50:33 Destination Media Sectors: 2,297,888 I 18:50:33 Write Mode: DVD I 18:50:33 Write Type: DAO I 18:50:33 Write Speed: 16x I 18:50:33 Link Size: Auto I 18:50:33 Test Mode: Yes I 18:50:33 BURN-Proof: Enabled I 18:50:36 Filling Buffer... I 18:50:37 Writing LeadIn... I 18:50:51 Writing Image... Edited November 13, 2005 by Shoomy
cornholio7 Posted November 13, 2005 Posted November 13, 2005 (edited) just to recap - you have been into your device manager and removed the controller and re-booted? have you installed the intel matrix storage manager? http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df...44&submit=Go%21 and your chipset version is 7.2.2.1006 ? Edited November 13, 2005 by cornholio7
LIGHTNING UK! Posted November 13, 2005 Posted November 13, 2005 Look in task manager when you're burning. Is it running at a high percentage? (i.e. 50% (with Hyperthreading) or 100% without) If it is, DMA is your problem. You're using an 80 wire cable yeah?
Shoomy Posted November 14, 2005 Author Posted November 14, 2005 The cpu usage never got to 20% and i dont know if i'm using 80wire cable im using the ones that came with the motherboard
lfcrule1972 Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 Can you take a look at the cables ? The 80 wire ones are obvious as the wires are very fine, the 40's are much more chunky...... Of course you can count them as well - you shouldn't have to count much past 20 to be able to see which cables you have.
LIGHTNING UK! Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 and just checking.... the hdd you're burning from isn't on that same cable?
Shoomy Posted November 14, 2005 Author Posted November 14, 2005 My hdd is sata and i'm using 80wire cables
LIGHTNING UK! Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 and both buffers go mad? According to windows device manager, your burner should be in running Ultra DMA 4 I believe. Just check that's the case for you. Try reading a disc (with a different program of course!), that too should reach a max of 2x if this problem is to make any sense at all! If you whack the buffer in ImgBurn right up, the 'Buffer' should just go down gradually - until it reaches the bottom where it may then start going mad. Whilst the Buffer is gradually going down, how is the Device Buffer behaving? The left one basically means the program cant read from your hdd quickly enough. Data goes from the hdd into memory - so should just be using the SATA stuff. The Device buffer is going from memory to your drive - so will be using your ATA connection. Even though you say the CPU usage isn't high, it seems VERY weird as what you describe has 'DMA problem' written all over it!
Shoomy Posted November 14, 2005 Author Posted November 14, 2005 (edited) The windows device manager says the burner is running at ultra DMA 5 how can i test my read speed? and my device buffer(right) is the crazy one while the left one titled 'buffer' is steady at 100% sorry for being such a novice but i did not understand what it is you wanted me to describe what is whacking the buffer right up? Edited November 14, 2005 by Shoomy
LIGHTNING UK! Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 Ok, if 'Buffer' is always at 100%, reading from your hdd is not a problem. Have you burnt *any* dvds? You need to find a program that can read them and report the speed back to you. Or burn a disc in ImgBurn with Verify enabled and wait for it to verify. The verify part is reading the disc back and it tells you on the screen what speed it's doing it at. Is anything else attached to the cable your Pioneer drive is on? Have you tried a different cable? Oh and when I said whack the buffer right up, I meant go into the settings and change the 'Buffer' slider to 256MB rather than 20MB. But as you've already said the Buffer stays at 100%, there is no need to do that.
Shoomy Posted November 14, 2005 Author Posted November 14, 2005 My burns ( i tried 3) were all successful my problem is speed There is nothing else on my cable and i didnt try another one, but i will is there another way to check read speed?
Grain Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 go into the settings and change the 'Buffer' slider to 256MB rather than 20MB This old dog just learned something new
LIGHTNING UK! Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 Eh, what did you guys just learn?! I thought I was explaining the 'whack' term more than anything! lol Shoomy, like I said, burn and verify something or read a burnt dvd back using another tool. Ahh, here we go! http://cdspeed2000.com/go.php3?link=download.html Download CD/DVD Speed 4.10 and test the read speed that way.
Shoomy Posted November 14, 2005 Author Posted November 14, 2005 (edited) and i just tried connecting the burner to my old computer its a P3 667GHZ with 128RAM i ran a burn in test mode and the device buffer didnt go under 97%! and the burn speed was x6 ( althought i set it at x8 - still a huge improvement going over x2) that was untill the left buffer bar went down, i cause of the crappy computer Then i reconnected it to my current PC with the same 80 wire cable i used on the P3 and i still have problems Edit: I just tried the read test never went above x2.3 Edited November 14, 2005 by Shoomy
LIGHTNING UK! Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 Does test mode on your main pc also go at 2x? (Not sure you've mentioned trying that before). As you've come from the Digital Digest forums, did you try the filter driver discovery tool I suggested (via someone else perhaps) ? You get it from the free downloads section over at www.bustrace.com Either your PC just cant cope with that drive, there's a bad driver in your system, or DMA STILL isn't working properly. You've got the latest firmware on your pioneer but how about on the motherboard? Is the bios correctly configured to use DMA on the drive etc? These things are so hard to fix when you're not physically at the machine. I'd have either done it by now or just rebuilt the damn thing lol.
Shoomy Posted November 14, 2005 Author Posted November 14, 2005 (edited) Yes test mode on my main pc is also x2 my current PC is alot better than the P3 machine so i dont think it cant cope with it what should i look for in the bios? i do not know what to configure there Edit: by filter driver discovery tool im hoping you meant the Filter Driver Load Order v1.0.005 i ran it and it shows 4 things upper device filter: redbook device object: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-110D lower class filter: pxhelp20 lower device filter: imapi Edited November 14, 2005 by Shoomy
LIGHTNING UK! Posted November 14, 2005 Posted November 14, 2005 Sorry, by 'cope' I meant that is has some compatibilty issue with it, rather than it not being powerful enough. That's why I said to check the motherboard bios. I guess you didn't build the PC yourself or you'd already know how to configure the bios, so just go to the site of whoever made your machine and find the latest bios update for it. Once you're sure it's on the latest version, select the option to reset to default values. Then just double check everything and anything that's related to IDE, DMA etc is enabled and on the fastest option. Most bios auto detect the drives now. I have a 875 chipset on my board but I can see the diagnostics screen just before windows boots up and it clearly says what speeds my drives are running at. To see that diagnostics screen you may need to disable 'quiet boot' / 'quick boot' within the bios and also possibly turn off the 'show logo' option. As for the filter tool, yeah that's the one. Only thing I don't like seeing there is the pxhelp20 driver. That's normally from recordnow max or some other 'pinnacle' tool. If you're not using such tools, I suggest you uninstall them. There's a chance pxhelp20 wont vanish. You 'could' remove it via regedit but perhaps you're not quite ready for that task. Maybe in device manager with 'show hidden devices' enabled in the menu system, you could find it in the 'Non-Plug and play drivers' section. Just right click it and select uninstall. What you could also do for me is to export the following key via the regedit tool. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E96A-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318} Just navigate to it, right click and then select export. Save it to a file, open that file in notepad and then copy + paste the contents to a post here in the forum.
Shoomy Posted November 14, 2005 Author Posted November 14, 2005 I did build my pc myself but i guess i didnt change much in the bios except boot from hardisk and disabled onboard raid(just wondering if this might be causing the problem) but i did go to the gigabyte site and found that the latest bios for my mobo is F6 which is what i have and i will configure things as you said I did not find pxhelp20 on non-plug and play drivers The reg file: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E96A-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}] "Class"="hdc" @="IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers" "Icon"="-9" "Installer32"="SysSetup.Dll,HdcClassInstaller" "TroubleShooter-0"="hcp://help/tshoot/tsdrive.htm" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E96A-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}\0000] "EnumPropPages32"="storprop.dll,IdePropPageProvider" "InfPath"="mshdc.inf" "InfSection"="atapi_Inst_primary" "ProviderName"="Microsoft" "DriverDateData"=hex:00,80,62,c5,c0,01,c1,01 "DriverDate"="7-1-2001" "DriverVersion"="5.1.2600.2180" "MatchingDeviceId"="primary_ide_channel" "DriverDesc"="Primary IDE Channel" "MasterDeviceType"=dword:00000001 "SlaveDeviceType"=dword:00000000 "SlaveDeviceDetectionTimeout"=dword:00000001 "MasterDeviceTimingMode"=dword:00010010 "MasterDeviceTimingModeAllowed"=dword:ffffffff "MasterIdDataCheckSum"=dword:0002043c "SlaveDeviceTimingMode"=dword:00000000 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E96A-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}\0001] "MasterOnMask"=dword:00000080 "MasterOnConfigOffset"=dword:00000041 "SlaveOnMask"=dword:00000080 "SlaveOnConfigOffset"=dword:00000043 "InfPath"="ich6ide.inf" "InfSection"="intelide" "ProviderName"="Intel" "DriverDateData"=hex:00,40,da,53,a7,f6,c4,01 "DriverDate"="1-10-2005" "DriverVersion"="7.0.0.1011" "MatchingDeviceId"="pci\\ven_8086&dev_2651&cc_0101" "DriverDesc"="Intel® 82801FB Ultra ATA Storage Controllers - 2651" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E96A-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}\0002] "EnumPropPages32"="storprop.dll,IdePropPageProvider" "InfPath"="mshdc.inf" "InfSection"="atapi_Inst_secondary" "ProviderName"="Microsoft" "DriverDateData"=hex:00,80,62,c5,c0,01,c1,01 "DriverDate"="7-1-2001" "DriverVersion"="5.1.2600.2180" "MatchingDeviceId"="secondary_ide_channel" "DriverDesc"="Secondary IDE Channel" "MasterDeviceType"=dword:00000002 "SlaveDeviceType"=dword:00000002 "MasterDeviceTimingMode"=dword:00000410 "MasterDeviceTimingModeAllowed"=dword:ffffffff "MasterIdDataCheckSum"=dword:00010d64 "SlaveDeviceTimingMode"=dword:00000410 "SlaveDeviceTimingModeAllowed"=dword:ffffffff "SlaveIdDataCheckSum"=dword:0001bdcb "SlaveDeviceDetectionTimeout"=dword:00000001 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E96A-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}\0003] "MasterOnMask"=dword:00000080 "MasterOnConfigOffset"=dword:00000041 "SlaveOnMask"=dword:00000080 "SlaveOnConfigOffset"=dword:00000043 "InfPath"="mshdc.inf" "InfSection"="intelide_Inst" "ProviderName"="Microsoft" "DriverDateData"=hex:00,80,62,c5,c0,01,c1,01 "DriverDate"="7-1-2001" "DriverVersion"="5.1.2600.2180" "MatchingDeviceId"="pci\\ven_8086&dev_266f"
Shoomy Posted November 14, 2005 Author Posted November 14, 2005 (edited) Oh my god. I played with bios PATA SATA settings did a test with imgburn and it burned at x8 it was a bit unstable for a sec left buffer dropped alot but it got back up! I have no idea what i did i will try a burn now and see what happens if this works i will find out what i did and tell you about it and i cant thank lightning and cornholio enough for helping so much Edit: Just burned 4482MB at x16 in 6 minutes! And i found out what i did I set the on chip sata mode to Combined and the PATA IDE Set to ch.1 master/slave i dont know why i did it or what it means but i do know it fixed my problem i hope this helps someone with the same problem Edited November 14, 2005 by Shoomy
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