Just thought I'd say Hi

[spinningwheel]

Merry Christmas back at ya Kev ....WOW...I went on a rant yesterday...musta been something I ate.....

 

 

[Altercuno]

Merry Christmas to you too Nano

 

According to Wikipedia: The term "political correctness" is derived from Marxist-Leninist vocabulary, and was used to describe the appropriate "party line", commonly referred to as the "correct line". Those people who opposed (or were seen as opposing) the "correct line" were often punished. A similar term has been used in communist countries, such as China.

 

Dunno if that helps...

 

p.s. its server or waitperson, not waiter or waitress.

 

satire: alternative shopper in exchange for robber, or "vagino-Americans" instead of "women".

[AlienX69]

I used to be depressed then things got better, I got divorced.

 

 

@ dont and Spin

On my second for 12+ years now, found a keeper I hope !!!

 

Hi Capt Kirk,

 

Hope things get better with yor dad !!!

 

AX

[spinningwheel]

Ax;

 

Glad you did brother. It took me 3 tries, but I'm 18 years into it now and rolling along just as well as can be!!!

[cathater]

alternative shopper in exchange for robber

I wonder if thats a legal defense?

 

Now lets get back on the original topic-

Hows everthing progressing Kirk???

[cathater]

alternative shopper in exchange for robber

I wonder if thats a legal defense?

 

Now lets get back on the original topic-

Hows everthing progressing Kirk???

[polopony]

a little late but Merry Christmas to you all.(flu is kicking my butt)

[spinningwheel]

a little late but Merry Christmas to you all.(flu is kicking my butt)

 

Take a couple aspirins, a bottle of your favorite beverage, crawl under the blankets and watch reruns of your favorite shows on tv until the flu has passed or the writers strike is over......

[kirk1701™]

alternative shopper in exchange for robber

I wonder if thats a legal defense?

 

Now lets get back on the original topic-

Hows everthing progressing Kirk???

 

Nothings changed here. Kinda back to thinking its ALZ again now because he's doing things that just ain't him, this is not my dad anymore its like he is a stranger

 

Fcuken confusing as hell for me and my mom.

 

Christmas day the batteries in his remote went out, OK so replace the batteries but mom and I were scavenging for some that were not being used.

 

Here's where it gets weird, he sneaks off to the exercise room, takes the batteries out of the remote to the TV out there.

 

(Thats being sneaky, not someone you would consider having ALZ)

 

That's not bad enough, we catch him in the act taking the batteries and he's standing there with them in his hands denying having stolen the dam batteries

 

Thats just an example of the things going on at a daily basis and it always ends up in an argument, him lying his way out of it and totally stressing my mother out to the point I'm more worried about her having a nervous breakdown or something and concerned for her more then I am my dad.

 

No Holiday or Christmas spirit for me this year, just grief. and more grief.

[kirk1701™]

Sorry guys I haven't been around much for an update.

 

Dad had his appointment at the VA last week, don't know what to say as I'm a bit confused at the outcome because he got the same test the family doctor gave him, you know the what day of the week is it, what year is it, what season is it and so on.

 

Well, he answered all the questions on spot no problems and looked real sharp but thats not the same way he acted when the family doctor put him on the meds

 

So even though he pretty much passed the test the VA still approved the drug so he will now get it through them rather then my mom having to buy it outright every month (which was $200 per script).

 

Guess I don't understand why they would give him the test for ALZ to determine if he had ALZ and if he passes the test still provide him the medication

 

So thats where we are at now, nothing else has changed, he's still the same old mean person, says things to me and my mom that just hurt so my mom still argues with him but I have took the path of just leaving him alone, if I do that he can't say things that hurt and will remain with me the rest of my life.

 

More later guys

[kirk1701™]

Just an update for you guys.

 

Dad had his appointment with my neurologist last week and was an instand replay of the visit when he went to the VA clinic. However, he didn't see my neurologist for ALZ he seen him for cronic headaches assoceated with his neck pain he was refered by his orthapedic Doctor. Anyhow, this gave us a chance to bring up the ALZ and he tested dad the same way the VA did and answered all the questions flawlessly.

 

I had my appointment with my neurologist today and after my visit we talked a bit about dad. It is his medical opinion he does not have ALZ if he can remember like he does and if he did have ALZ the demetia would be consistant all the time not just when he wants it to be. This was after we explained to the neurologist that dad wanted to be petted

 

My neurologist did say he could have some depression issues going on and thats consistant with what we and the whole family thinks. He has pretty much withdrawn himself from everything and everyone around him, don't want to be around anyone and expects everyone to cater to him. So, my doctor has e-mailed my dads family doctor and said he would talk to my dads doctor in person also before dads next appointment the end of this month

 

Now as for me.

I got a letter from the case manager at Cyberonics which makes the VNS device and in a nutshell it says:

 

The clinical information submitted for review has been certified as medically necessary

 

So now that my neurologist knows the procedure is covered he set me up with an appointment with the surgeon which is in April to get the ball moving now.

 

I so can't wait, a chance and thats all it is a chance (because its not guaranteed to completely control the seizures in everyone) to do something everyone takes for granted like drive a car, go swimming or dive off a diving board or snorkeling in the ocean

 

Finally, a chance to get off all this crap medication I'm on and have a better quality of like and not forget shit from one day to the next which is a side effect from the medications.

 

The next loop hole, the surgeon used to be here locally however has moved to Tennesse and now can only do so many operations here in Kentucky (don't understand that part at all). Anyhow, he is allowed like 20 operations per year in the state of Kentucky and there is no one else close to me who does the procedure and I can't actually get it done out of town right now due to transportation and a my dad which we can't leave. Plus, I definatly don't want someone who has only done the procedure once or twice and me being the third person who's he/she has done the procedure on

 

So now it depends if the surgeon will concider me as one of his 20 per year I guess

 

More to follow as I find out.

[Pain_Man]

Amen.

 

Once the Slut From Hell decided her Old Man's money was more important than my love and dumped me (the bitch literally took a bribe!), I had the time of my life . Partying almost everynight with the uppercrust of Lafayette, IN. Cool thing about hanging with millionaires: you never pay for a meal or a drink. And I didn't for about two years.

 

'Course, I've since remarried and I've got an 8 yr old daughter with this wife.

 

Ain't been easy, I admit; I don't think any marriage every is. But it's a lot easier when the wife ain't running around fuckin' everybody.

 

I used to be depressed then things got better, I got divorced.

Edited February 16, 2008 by Pain_Man

[Pain_Man]

I feel for ya Kirk.

 

I can understand the anxiety around Alzheimer's. It's the one that scares the shit out of me. It literally robs you of your identity; tho' to be honest I'm pretty sure I'd choose it over ALS (i.e. "Lou Gehrig's Disease").

 

Alzheimer's runs on my mother's side.

 

My great-grandmother (mother's father's mother) died of it (of course, in the 50s they just said, "She went crazy! Just went plumb crazy. Had to put her in a home." Of course, once someone described the symptoms to me, I realized that great-grandma--who died before I was born--wasn't mentally ill).

 

Two of her three children died of it (my great aunt and uncle) and my grandfather was showing signs of it before he died in a car crash (of course the fact that he was drinking two cases of beer a day, topped off by Demerol every 6h might have had something to do with it ).

 

Basically, the disease killed all of my great-grandmother's children; or would have if my grandfather hadn't committed suicide @59.

 

So, yeah, I worry about it.

 

Parkinson's also runs in my mother's family.

 

In my Dad's family it's mostly assholery: an incurable, highly irritating condition occasionally known for driving those around the sufferer to justifiable homicide....

[LOCOENG]

In my Dad's family it's mostly assholery: an incurable, highly irritating condition

 

That runs on my dad's side too and I've unfortunately inherited it, just ask my wife and most of the people I work with.

[Pain_Man]

I don't understand how a group that is in the fringe minority can dictate to the majority in this country what can and cannot be.

 

The reason? SCOTUS--the Supreme Court of the United States. The same august body that told you, when you were a cop, that perfectly good collars had to be tossed because somebody fucked up and used a Drug Warrant Form instead of a Murder Evidence Warrant Form (seriously: this dude tied his girlfriend up with electrical cord and burned her alive and the case was tossed because a cop grabbed the wrong kind of warrant application!!!!

 

Why--and who--decided that we have to bow down to the Supreme Court? (In fact, to what are often five old people!) The Supreme Court is not given absolute power by the Constitution. Theoretically co-eval with the other two branches, there's no way the Founders thought it should be the most powerful! Yet we've made it so by the lack of will in presidents and congresses to tell the Court to go fuck itself. Congress controls which kinds of cases SCOTUS can review; it could have pared back the Supreme Court (and has done so occasionally, e.g. when it exempted from SCOTUS review certain kinds of terrorist cases).

 

instead of trying to rein in the Nine Supremes, both parties try to pack it with judges they hope will support their agenda. THANK GOD the Younger Bush was able to put such able justices as Roberts and Alito on the court. Alito's great, but there other judges I would have preferred as Chief to Roberts (i.e. Scalia).

 

 

The seriously dicked-up religious right...

 

There is no such thing as The Religious Right. It's a Drive-by media myth. If it exists...

 

1.) Who's in charge of it?

2.) Where's it located?

3.) When was it founded?

4.) Who founded it?

 

Are there Christians who are politically conservative? Of course. Just as their are Christians who far left whackjobs (e.g. ministers who support the "right" of women to kill their babies). Are there organizations (e.g. the Christian Coalition, the former Moral Majority) who have/had a politically Christian agenda, of course.

 

But there is not now, NOR HAS THERE EVER BEEN, any monolithic entity called "The Religious Right". It's all stuff and nonsense--as our Brit cousins put it.

 

Idiots are preaching there is no global warming issue

 

A complete, total and utter myth. <bangs desk angrily>

 

The "Global Warming" hoax/scam was created by a scientists named Steven Schneider. Guess what I got Dr. Schneider preaching on an In Search Of in 1982? THE NEXT ICE AGE!!! Rush posted a Time magazine cover story on "The Coming Ice Age"; which detailed the imminence of the next glacial period. 25-30 years ago the Drive-bys were coming all over themselves about glaciers covering Chicago again.

 

Dr. Schneider has publicly stated that it is acceptable for scientists to lie and falsify data in order to convince people of the truth of the Global Warming lie! His political goal? World Communist Government run by the UN! I shit you not. I'll scan in an article I have on him and post it. It exposes this Big Lie for what it is.

 

Here's the facts: For the last 8,000 years the Earth has grown consistently cooler. PERIOD! Nothing has affected that general and over all trend that we are inexorably moving into a new period of Glaciation.

 

The so-called warming amounts to ONE DEGREE CELSIUS and almost all of this happened BEFORE 1940. That's right before 1940! Before China and the Soviet Union's massive industrial development (from the 70s on for the former and from 1930-1960 in the latter). China now burns more fossil fuels than the United States!! And yet the stupid, ridiculous "Kyoto Con Job" would impose significant caps only ONE country (completely exempting China) and guess which country THAT is?!? To implement this farce will cost this country 10,000,000 jobs and will retard economic growth on a massive scale--exactly what are economic and political rivals and enemies want.

 

Finally, Mt. Pinatubo (in the Phillipines) in 1991 put more so-called "greenhouse" gases into the aptmosphere in THREE DAYS than humanity has in 200 years of heavy industry!

 

If the Global Warming Hoax were true, the ice caps should already be completely gone and global temps should have risen 6 degrees instead of one.

 

Now, I apologize for SHOUTING, but the truth about "Global Warming" has been so buried by the Environmentalist Whackos and their accomplices in the media and the Left that many people are walking around believing total horseshit as though it were Gospel.

 

It's absolutely and completely a hoax. And, it's just that simple!

 

The Earth has been in an Ice Age for the last 2,000,000 years, the latest of many such ages (the first one was 700,000,000 yrs ago when the ENTIRE planet was covered in ice a mile thick; all life nearly perished). It has been calculated that during this time there have been at least fifty periods of Glaciation alternating with warm Interglacial periods. We are at the end of the latter. Glaciers covering Chicago are an absolute inevitability.

 

The irony is this: if the Global Warming Hoaxers are, the collapse of the Antarctic Ice Cap would result in massive GLOBAL COOLING. You see, the ice would spread out the cover nearly the entire Antarctic Ocean. The sunlight reflected by all the ice--coupled with the huge drop in ocean water temps caused by all that ice--would cause the next glacial period to begin.

 

NO MATTER WHAT THE ICE IS COMING BACK. And there nothing, absolutely goddamn NOTHING we can do about it.

Don't, take this personally 'Wheel, but you pushed some of my hot buttons and I feel I had to respond.

 

The current leader of the free world as well as the rest of those currently elected in Washington are catering to big oil, pharmaceutical companies, gouging financial lending institutions and whomever else has a big wallet and no conscience.

 

Ahh, the good ol' Corporate America Controls the Government Myth. <shakes head sadly>

 

WRONGO!

 

It's the Federal Executive agencies (i.e. the IRS, EPA, the Departments of Commerce, of Justice, of Agriculture, et al) that have the real power in this country.

 

Congress and SCOTUS have used the power granted under the Commerce Clause of the Constitution (Article I, Section 8, paragraph 3, if you'd like to look it up for yourselves) to emesh this country in a sprawling, ever growing octopus reaching into every facet and aspect of out lives. (The Tax Code itself is 65,000 pages!!) The plain meaning of the Constitution--the greatest governing document ever written; the product of the greatest collection of political geniuses in the History of Man--is twisted beyond recognition (the "right" to an abortion) or just plain ignored (the right to keep and bear arms).

 

We are in the grip of a power-mad, greedy, ruthless and unscrupulous bureaucracy manned (and womanned) by people who are convinced they know how to run out lives better than we do. And, it's just that simple.

 

Yes, we are weakening--because FDR and LBJ were allowed to create an entitlement mentality in the middle class. They sang the siren song that the middle class was "owed" everything from cash stripped from their children's wallets (euphemistically called "Social Security", more accurately called "Socialist Security" by my (tenth) cousin the late Sen. Robert Taft) to free medical care ("Medicare").

 

Now people are convinced they have the "right" to other people's money.

 

Rome didn't fall until she had rotted from within. For five hundred years she withstood massive, often co-ordinated, attacks by Germans, Parthians, Persians, et al, and fought them all to victory or a draw. Once the inside was hollow, it was easily for my Germanic ancestors to simple walk in and knock the whole rotten edifice to the ground.

 

Which is exactly what happened.

[Pain_Man]

Ditto.

 

But I'm trying, I'm really, really trying.

 

In my Dad's family it's mostly assholery: an incurable, highly irritating condition

 

That runs on my dad's side too and I've unfortunately inherited it, just ask my wife and most of the people I work with.

[Pain_Man]

Funnily enough, I don't want to live in any other country (though that could change...).

 

In Britain they convict you of murder and put you in prison for defending yourself against home invaders who try to kill you.

 

No thanks.

 

In this country I can blow those fuckers away without having to worry about breaking laws against self-defense. (Not that there aren't plenty of whackjobs in this country who would rather see my wife and daughter raped and murdered than my having a pistol to defend them.)

 

Dressing ups better...vicars & tarts anyone...?

 

Glad I don't live in the States...cant say Merry Christmas, Ho ho ho's out. Blimey, land of the free...

[spinningwheel]

Don't, take this personally 'Wheel, but you pushed some of my hot buttons and I feel I had to respond.

 

Np problem PM, we've disagreed before and are none the less for it now...but...if you're going to quote or rely on Rush for your thinking and a group of pundits such as he has referred everyone to in order to bolster his home grown brand of anarchy, I can't counter with any argument that you're not going to write reams about until I just plain quit.

I personally do not agree with you - or that fat ass - that there is no global warming occuring, the poles are melting/disappearing and the coastal waters are increasing, unless the Weather channel, National Geographic, Discovery, History and NOAA channels are all mistaken or controlled by Gore and the drive by's..

And...screw the religious right, their spokesman is/was Huckabee and his ilk and they consist of a loose knit group of self proclaimed religious/political leaders that want to overthrow Roe v. Wade, tell us what is a safe religion to practice, persecute those with other/non-mainstream beliefs and decide what is best for us without knowing it themselves. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there something about separation of religion and state written somewhere in the Federalst paperwork that started this nation?

The current administration is draining the coffers of this country while they prosecute a war that was based on lies. Daddy took care of all the of the crap that Jr. took us to war over. We needed a foothold in the Middle East that was additional to that which we have in Saudi and we accomplished it, while killing 3500+ of our sons/daughters, 100's of Brits and our other allies and 10's of 1000's of the people who live there. Bin Laden is still running his mouth and hiding in Pakistan with his guys and we can't get to him...why.... Because he sent a black female as our rep...into a region filled with fundamentalist leaders who do not respect/hold women in higher regard that their freekin' goats; and then congress can't understand why they won't cooperate/come to an accord with us unless we send foreign aid to bolster their already bulging oil enhanced wallets.

He backed huge Pharm when it came to government purchasing of drugs and banned anyone's right to get drugs from out of the country, making their strangle-hold all the tighter. The idiots claimed that the drugs are not as pure/well made/good as ours, then the AARP found that they are made by the same Pherm companies that make the ones for the States...unless you buy in Mexico, then it's a crap shoot...no big surprise there.

We have had our political party in place for 6 of the last 7 years and they couldn't do anything about or borders, medical or any other damned thing that didn't make his or his cronies pockets larger.

As I've told you before, I've been a Republican all of my life, even through the Nixon years, and I'm going to vote Democratic all the way this time. My party has displeased me, lied to me and my country, made life here miserable for more and more of my countrymen, and just generally made me sorry that I voted for them last time.

The Democrats can't do very much worse and maybe they can begin to move in a direction more befitting who we are and what we should be...if not, it's only for 4 more years.

[Altercuno]

In Britain they convict you of murder and put you in prison for defending yourself against home invaders who try to kill you.

 

That would be...Tony Martin

[spinningwheel]

In Britain they convict you of murder and put you in prison for defending yourself against home invaders who try to kill you.

 

That would be...Tony Martin

 

 

And, after reading the story that Alter linked to, presumably the same would have happened in the States. You have the right to protect your life and property here, but you do not have the right to shoot anyone when they are fleeing and are no longer a threat to you. The story does not recount the burglars as having been armed, and, either way, armed or not, once they are fleeing the scene a normal citizens right to apply deadly force is non-existent. The same does not apply to the police, however their use of force is not in question in this situation.

[blutach]

While I hate political chat on this (and any other board, but particularly this one), all I will say is if either of the 2 Democratic frontrunners get in, it will be a huge step internally for America. I hope one of them does.

 

Regards

[Pain_Man]

You can correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there something about separation of religion and state written somewhere in the Federalst paperwork that started this nation?

 

Yes, you are in error here.

 

The phrase "separation of church and state" comes from a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote. I can't remember to whom the recipient was...perhaps someone else remembers?

 

It has no basis in the Constitution itself (that document bans only "an establishment of religion"; i.e. the Federal government is forbidden to create an official church such as the Church of England or Roman Catholicism in Italy or Russian Orthodoxy in, er, Russia.

 

In fact before the Supreme Court began it's war on religion in general--and Christianity specifically--no one gave much thought to Jefferson's off-hand phrase. Once the Left began the systematic assault on faith and people of faith, that sentence from a letter was raised to Holy Scripture. There is absolute nothing in the Constitution, for example, which prohibits prayer in school. We had a rabbi--I believe--give the benediction at my high school graduation and I don't remember anyone pitching a bitch about it. Of cousre, that was in San Diego which, back then, was far more Conservative than the rest of Cali (excepting Orange County).

 

I haven't read all of the Federalist papers; it's possible that one of the writers mention it (the chief writer of which was Prez No. 4, Madison).

 

Obviously on many, but not all, issues we're going to have to agree to disagree--and that's cool. I've gotten personal with some people on this forum and I regret that. So I tried not to attack you; apologies again if I did so, it was unintentional. My vitriol was saved for people like Steven Schneider, the Clintons, the Punk (aka Democratic National Committee Chairman--and Clintonista--Terry McAuliffe who took an $18,000,000 bribe from the head of Global Crossing, a man who stole hundreds of millions from the company and his currently building a $120,000,000, yes one hundred and twenty million dollar house!!! And he was never prosecuted! Shocking!!! I could go and on and on with the facts, but what's the point?

 

Obviously we're not going to convince each other. The most we can do is state our positions as civilly as possible. I have a VERY liberal friend. We're both fanatic Rush fans--the band not the dude--and we went to their last concert together and we had a blast. And spoke nary a word about politics. We finally decided that since neither of us would accept the other's sources that continuing to argue was pointless.

 

And, personally, doesn't that bother you? The two sides, Lib and Conservative no longer talk to each other, we talk past each other, as if the other side were a mere abstraction. Only one other time did political differences become so set in cement: the 1850s. And we all know what that led to. And I'm terribly afraid we're heading there again. Conservatives would win, of course, 80% of the military support us. But that's hardly the point. 2%, or 600,000, Americans died last time. That would be 2,000,000 in a replay fought with weapon unimaginably more powerful than those used then.

 

I've been listening to Rush for 18 years (not everyday, but often enough and I'm a 24/7 Member) and, in all that time, I've never heard him lie or distort facts. He makes factual errors, sure, who doesn't? But I've heard him many times correct those. (E.g., "Oh yeah, yesterday when I said yadda yadda, I had the facts wrong on that one . Apologies to John Smith...")

 

I remember some nutball left-wing group published a book called "300 Lies Rush Limbaugh Tells" or something like that. NOT A SINGLE LIE WAS DOCUMENTED. (SORRy XP's FucKING up With the capslock, there it seems to have stopped.) Anyway, the entire book was simple this group printing something Rush said and then disagreeing with him and calling the disagreement a lie!!!

 

Rush always sources his facts. Always. If he doesn't have a source or can't produce it, he says so.

 

Finally: the article I mentioned was not written by Rush. In fact it was published in a magazine who's name completely escapes me at the moment. Some cerebral flatulence. The mag's published by The Washington Times and it's editorial stance is very conservative; it's news coverage is as objective as one can reasonably expect--unlike the outright lies and propaganda disseminated by the Drive-bys.

 

I'm going to have my wife pdf the article (not that I order her about; we dont' have a scanner at home) and I'll email to you.

 

Here's a question: yes I know you've been (were?) a life-long Republican, but did you ever consider yourself a conservative?

 

I ask that because the criticism you're making (and support for the policies implicit in them) appears very Left-wing to me. You even use some of the Left's favorite (and, imo) non-sensical catch-phrases.

 

Oh, and I agree with you about the new Medicare "drug" benefit. It's ridiculous and will just advance the date at which Medicare runs out of money.[/b] There are many things to admire about The Younger Bush--he's kept us safe and destroyed two terroristic dictatorships. His willingness to allow people like The Hero of Chappaquiddick run over him (he let the latter write the so-called "No Child Left Behind Boondoggle." Funny how the party was against mandatory testing until the Prez co-opted the idea... And don't even get me started on that goddamned farm bill.

 

Not to be a wise-ass, but the GOP controlled the House for 12 years and the Senate for 11 of 12 (thanks to "Jumpin'" Jim Jeffords' treason; not that it matters, he was RINO anyway.)

 

(BTW: glaciers in the Andes are thickening.)

[Pain_Man]

That would be him. The rather odd-ball farmer given to plowing his fields at midnite?

 

I heard he was released from prison a couple of years ago, tho' I never found out if his conviction was quashed, he was pardoned or simply paroled?

 

If our government tried what yours did--going door-to-door and confiscating handguns (and correct me if I've got that detail wrong) after the Dunblane horror (see, some of us Yanks do pay attention to what happens beyond the oceans), there'd be a lot of cops getting shot.

 

No, in fact, and I believe 'wheel would agree, the vast majority of cops would simply refuse to carry such a blatantly unConstitutional law (sorry if I'm assuming something, 'wheel; but polls have shown that upwards of 80% of cops support concealed carry...).

 

I couldn't believe that Britons so meekly acquiesced in such an incredible act of governmental tyranny. Should have been riots in the streets.

 

In Britain they convict you of murder and put you in prison for defending yourself against home invaders who try to kill you.

 

That would be...Tony Martin

Edited February 20, 2008 by Pain_Man

[Pain_Man]

The way I heard it--sorry, I simply don't have time to read the story, got to get to bed, dr's appt in the am--Martin shot one of the home invaders as the man attacked him.

 

Besides, what happened to a man's home is his castle?!?!?

 

And, in Louisiana at least, you can kill an intruder in your home, whether he's armed or not, regardless of whether he's facing you, as long as you believe that you or your family are in danger.

 

Every state needs a law like that.

 

And don't underestimate the common sense of every DA. A guy in Cali, a few yrs back, caught a burglar in his house, chased the guy down the street and beat him bloody with a bat--broken bones and everything.

 

The DA said, "Sounds like self-defense to me." And no charges were filed.

 

Besides, every citizen in this country has the right to use any force necessary to detain a criminal during a citizen's arrest.

 

E.g.: if I see a guy hit a woman with a tire iron and I draw my (legal) carry piece and order the guy to freeze and he attempts to flee, I can put him down. Just as any cop can can use deadly force to stop a fleeing felony suspect.

 

I was in a situation once where I would have shot this asshole if I'd been strapped. This fucker follows me home--for no sane reason--and starts ranting and raving with me. I talked a little shit back and then, ignoring him, walked away toward my place. I had my then five yr old daughter with me. This asshole follows me onto the sidewalk with his truck, still ranting and raving.

If I'd been armed, I'd have shot him dead on the spot to defend my daughter. Thank God he was all talk.

 

Anybody messing with kid better be read to meet deadly force. No law says that a citizen, or cop, has to give a criminal the first shot.

 

What matters legally, as I'm sure it did in Ohio, is the "imminence" of the threat.

 

I could not have escaped from the guy in the truck because he was less than 10 feet from me and my daughter. If he'd floored his accelerator my daughter and I would have been bloody smears on the sidewalk.

 

IF a criminal invades your home and threatens your life, what the hell difference does it make what his position was when you defend yourself? That's hypertechnical non-sense. The measure is whether or not YOU feel YOUR life to be in immediate danger--not where the criminal douche bag is standing.

 

I'd rather be tried by twelve than buried by six any time.

 

In Britain they convict you of murder and put you in prison for defending yourself against home invaders who try to kill you.

 

That would be...Tony Martin

 

 

And, after reading the story that Alter linked to, presumably the same would have happened in the States. You have the right to protect your life and property here, but you do not have the right to shoot anyone when they are fleeing and are no longer a threat to you. The story does not recount the burglars as having been armed, and, either way, armed or not, once they are fleeing the scene a normal citizens right to apply deadly force is non-existent. The same does not apply to the police, however their use of force is not in question in this situation.

Edited February 20, 2008 by Pain_Man

[Pain_Man]

I don't mind discussing politics; I'd just like to keep in on an even keel. I know I've been as guilty as anyone else of personal attacks. "But I'm trying, Ringo, I'm trying real hard to be the shepard."

 

If McCain wins there won't be much different. There's virtually no difference between Hillary's positions (or Barak's for that matter) and McCains except on abortion. He solidly pro-life.

 

He was one of ONLY two GOP senator to vote against the Bush tax cuts; the tax cuts that ended the Clinton-Gore Recession of 2000-2001.

And the election of a candidate pitching the discredited and failed ideas of 70 years ago will be a massive step backwards. It will mean MASSIVE tax increases in 2010 and a certain recession.

 

If one thinks that's an improvement for America, I'd hate to know what one would think would be deleterious!

 

While I hate political chat on this (and any other board, but particularly this one), all I will say is if either of the 2 Democratic frontrunners get in, it will be a huge step internally for America. I hope one of them does.

 

Regards