reddragon105

Thanks for the information. That does make sense, although I wish it wasn't the case. So the PS3 simply won't play a Blu-Ray as a Blu-Ray Video if it's on a DVD-R because it's essentially the wrong kind of disc? And likewise for DVD Video files on a BD-R? Is that the case with all Blu-Ray players, or just some or many? Basically, this is for a submission to a film festival and I don't know exactly what they'll be playing the disc on so I want to maximise compatibility. It seems a shame to use a 25gb use for 2gb of video but the expense is immaterial if it will help to avoid any issues.

I've authored many DVDs and several Blu-Rays successfully in the past but I'm currently having issues with a short film that I need to put onto Blu-Ray. As it's only 10 minutes long, it doesn't really justify using up a 25gb disc for it (the authored files are around 1.8gb if I use H.264 and 1.9gb if I use MPEG), so I would like to burn it to DVD instead, and have that DVD work as a Blu-Ray in PCs and standalone players. From what I understand, this should be technically possible - and I'm pretty sure I've read that people have had success with this in the past. However, I'm having a few problems. Firstly, my plan was to create an ISO and test that on my PC using a virtual drive before burning anything to disc. I'm authoring the Blu-Ray in Adobe Encore - there are no menus, just the short film which is set to play automatically. If I use Encore to create an ISO, then mount it in Daemon Tools, Cyberlink PowerDVD (my default player) just gives me the message 'This type of disc is not supported'. I tried burning the ISO to disc anyway and the burned DVD-R does play in PowerDVD, however it does not play in my Playstation 3 - it just appears as a 'Data Disc'. I can use the PS3 to manually browse to BDMV/Stream and play 00000.m2ts to watch the film, but I really need the disc to play properly. I did read elsewhere on this forum that I can use ImgBurn to create an MDS file for the ISO and mount from that - and that does work in Cyberlink PowerDVD, so I have been able to successfully test it that way. However, burning from the MDS gave me another disc that won't play in the PS3. I've also tried just exporting folders from Encore and using ImgBurn to create the ISO from that, but that gives the same result. Any ideas on what I'm missing or doing wrong? Should this be possible and, if so, what would the PS3 require to play Blu-Ray from a DVD-R? I don't have easy access to any other Blu-Ray player so the PS3 is my baseline - I assume if I can get it to play on that, it would work on most players.

When I first tried to backup some Xbox 360 games I got a batch of those Infiniti 360 disks. I had a Pioneer DVR-212 (brand new at the time) which burned to them without any problems at all, however my Xbox 360 did not like them. Games would usually boot as far as the main menu, but then I'd get a dirty disk error message when trying to load the actual game, or if there was an introductory video it would stutter during playback. My next batch of disks were Aone, which worked perfectly. Maybe it was just my Xbox 360's DVD drive being picky (because they can be, especially the older ones), but both of these brands of disk use the same dye, RICOHJPN D01 67, so I'm not sure what the difference could be. That was 3 years ago now and I stuck with the Pioneer DVR-212 and Aone disks, hardly ever getting coasters and all the disks verifying and working perfectly until about 6 months ago when I started getting the same errors as you. Thinking my drive was dying (it was 2.5 years old and has burned loads of disks), I bought a new one - now I've got a Sony Optiarc AD-7240S as well as the Pioneer. However I get the same errors using that drive as well, and not just on the Aone disks, but the Ritek single layer disks that I usually use as well, regardless of what I'm burning. I've built an entirely new computer since the problem started, but I'm still getting these errors. I've still got my Pioneer drive and I alternate between them, trying to see which I get better results with, but neither work all the time. Sometimes it will work fine for a while, then I'll try to burn something and get 5-10 coasters before it works. As I've changed everything else, I can only think it must be the disks. I haven't tried any Verbatims, but I've ordered some and hopefully they will all work. But it's a mystery to me why this brand of disks, which I've stuck with for 3 years because they've been so reliable, has suddenly failed me. They still have the same dye, but could something else about the way they are made have changed? I noticed that I used to get disks that were just called 'Aone' but now they are called Aone Gold, Plus or Premium (although I can't find out what the difference is supposed to be) and I have read that the manufacture quality of the Aone disks has dropped and also that it's possible to get fake disks, although I'm not sure how true either of these claims are. So yeah, my advice would be to experiment with different disks - that's what I've narrowed it down to, and you've already said that your drive burns other type of disk. Yes, paying more for your disks (like getting Verbatims) does make a difference because they're higher quality, but personally I don't see why our drives can't burn the cheaper disks successfully - I mean I know cheap = low quality, but they should still work. Surely if the majority of cheap disks turned into coasters they would stop making them... So I want to know what it takes to burn them successfully - whether it's just certain writers, particular settings, or what. I think it might also be worth considering where you buy your disks from - if there is such a thing as fake disks then it might be worth avoiding eBay and sticking to reputable websites like SVP. I know I used to get all my disks from SVP and if I got this many coasters it was considered a bad batch and they'd replace them for me, but recently I've been buying from eBay and look what's happened... I'll buy a batch of Aones from SVP and see how I get on with them.

Well, another few days and I've had time to do some more tests. Most of all, I think I can now say that it is not a chipset issue. I have a SATA-USB adapter that I use for an external hard drive, so over the weekend I used that to instead connect both of my DVD writers to my laptop and tried burning some disk images from there. First I tried my new Optiarc drive and got exactly the same problem again and again. I reached 10 coasters from trying to burn that same game image that I've been trying to burn for the last week - usually I would have had at least one success before that! But then I tried my old Pioneer drive again and it worked first time without a hitch. A fluke or not? I really can't tell. I'm kind of at my wits end with this now - I need to burn DVDs at home as part of my job so this is really something I need to get working. Fortunately I mostly burn DVD5s and I haven't had a single problem with one of those, on any of the 3 different times I have, with my new Optiarc drive. So I'm starting to think it's a combination of factors - that my Pioneer drive is on its way out and is only successfully burning a disk occassionally through sheer luck (and that goes for both DVD5 and DVD9) and that there is actually something wrong with the DVD9 disks I have. I know I defended the media I'm using in a previous post (and I still stand by the fact that even cheaper disks should work, otherwise why would anyone make and be able to get away with selling them?), but then I noticed something - for the past 3 years I've been using 'Aone' disks. The latest batches I've bought are labelled 'Aone Gold Edition'. There is also now 'Aone Premium'. What's the difference between these and what changed from the old disks? As far as I can see they all use the same dye, so what else could be different? I have done some shopping on eBay and bought a few DVD9 disks of various types and I'm going to do some testing, although I've done some searching and read that my Optiarc drive should have no problem burning onto RICOHJPN-D01-67 dye. I've had a bit more success with the disks I've burned since the weekend - I still get 'Power Calibration Area Error' errors when it comes to finalising the disk, but if I click continue it goes on to verify the disk (which I always do) successfully (like in the latest log that I've attached). So does this mean I had a successful burn or not? Is the disk finalised? Can I ignore the error? What exactly does it mean and how would it normally be solved/prevented? ImgBurn11.log

Ok, I've downloaded the latest drivers from Intel's website (Intel Rapid Storage Technology 9.6.0.1014 and INF Update Utility 9.1.1.1025). I hope that's everything I need. My board does have a JMicron controller, but it's only for the IDE slot (which is unused) and the two eSATA ports on the back. The 6 internal SATA ports are all Intel ICH9. The manual states that 1, 2, 5 and 6 (which are coloured red) are set to 'Master' for boot disks and that 3 and 4 (black) are set to 'Slave' for data disks. But I can see from the layout that there's something different about 5 and 6. I think I had my DVD drive in one of those when I first started having problems, so it's currently on 3 because it's one of the 'slaves'. I will try moving it back to 5 or 6 and see what happens. Also, my board's BIOS was quite out of date until I updated to the latest version yesterday. But that was after the first disk failure, so logs 2-5 are from after updating the BIOS...

To answer your last question there first, no, ImgBurn does not create menus or chapters. You will need some sort of DVD authoring software to do that. As for the rest of it - can you give some more details? Mainly what types of files do you have that you want to burn as a DVD video? The only type of files that you can use for a DVD video are VOB files (which are DVD standard MPEG2 files). So any kind of video files that you have will need to be converted to VOB files first. The same goes for pictures - if you want to create a slideshow from, say, JPG files, you will need some authoring software to take the pictures, put them in order, decide how long each one will be displayed for, add transitions, etc. and then create a VOB file which will be your slideshow. DVD menus, likewise, need to be turned into VOB files. DVD authoring software will do all of this for you and export the VOB files along with an IFO file, which contains navigation information. Once you have these files, you can use ImgBurn to burn them to disk, as you can with any kind of files. A DVD player looks for IFO and VOB files and, if they are present, will recognise the disk as a DVD video and play it as such. If you've burned VOB and IFO files using ImgBurn and the disk isn't being recognised as a DVD video, then you have a problem - perhaps you haven't got the directory structure right (all the DVD video files need to go into a folder called VIDEO_TS in the root of the DVD), or perhaps you're using a brand of media that your DVD player doesn't like (they can be picky, especially older or budget models). If you're just burning MPG, WMV, AVI, etc. files to disk then you'll just end up with a data disk with those files on it - they won't be recognised as DVD standard files, even if you are using DVD compliant MPEG2s, and there's nothing to tell the DVD player what to play, in what order or where the chapters, etc. are. So if that's the case, you need to author the files using DVD authoring software - I actually do professional DVD and Blu-Ray production and I use Adobe Encore, but if that's too advanced for you there are plenty of other options, even free programs (even Windows Movie Maker!), depending on the files you're working with.

I thought I had it narrowed down to a driver problem, that's why I checked I had the correct drivers installed and up to date. I have an Asus P5K-E Wifi-AP motherboard, which has an Intel P35/ICH9R chipset and got the latest drivers from the Asus website. The SATA is currently configured as RAID, but I only changed that when I got my new hard drive and installed Windows on it. When I first started having problems and when I started this thread it was configured as IDE. The board has 6 SATA ports and as far as I can tell, they all either have to be in IDE mode or all in RAID mode. I don't know if I have the option to put the hard drive on a RAID enabled controller and the DVD drive on IDE, but I am about to go digging around in my BIOS settings to find out...

Well I prefer to burn at lower speeds - I would be burning dual layer disks at 2.4x if my new writer supported it. I always thought if you were having problems at low speeds you're less likely to have success at higher speeds. But anyway, I did go on to try once at 8x, and also switched the write type to Incremental, and got this error: "Potential 'WaitImmediateIO' Deferred Error - (99%, 0/3) - Power On, Reset, or Bus Device Reset Occurred" It popped up with an error saying it had failed to finalise the disk (after retrying 3 times automatically). I clicked 'Try again' on the prompt and this time it appeared to be successful but then it started getting read errors around 50% through verification. Log attached. ImgBurn5.log

Well it's been another couple of weeks and I'm still having problems even though I have now bought a new DVD writer. I now have a Sony Optiarc AD-7240S with the latest firmware (1.04). Since installing it I've burned several single layer DVDs and not had a single problem with any of those, however today I tried to burn a dual layer disk and have had a few different errors, mainly "Potential 'WaitImmediateIO' Deferred Error - Power Calibration Area Error", but also "Failed to Write Sectors - Reason: Power Calibration Area Error". The latest logs are attached. I have performed all kinds of checks on my PC, including ensuring the DVD drive is connected to an appropriate SATA port and that SATA is configured correctly and all chipset drivers are installed and up to date. I've run out of ideas - I've checked everything and there's absolutely no reason I should be having problems. The problems started without me changing anything, either with hardware or software and since then I've installed a new hard drive and reinstalled Windows (which shouldn't have affected anything) and tried two new DVD writers. What else could it be? ImgBurn1.log ImgBurn2.log ImgBurn3.log ImgBurn4.log

Yes, that had also occurred to me. I first checked to make sure that all chipset drivers were installed, which they were when I first started getting errors, and then I updated them to the latest versions and have still been getting the same errors since. The latest update is that I have tried installing CloneDVD and using that to burn everything (even though I'm mostly burning data disks at the moment, with the odd DVD Video - I'm creating ISOs in ImgBurn, but then burning them with CloneDVD). I have done around 10 disks like this since last night and not had a single problem. It's a shame that CloneDVD doesn't have a verify option, but I've been verifying the disk against the ISO with ImgBurn after burning and so far had no errors whatsoever. So right now I'm confident that my DVD writer is still working (despite its age, and I'm still considering getting another one anyway) and the disks I have do work, so the problem must lie elsewhere. I've tried some older versions of ImgBurn (3 of them, currently on 2.4.4.0) but am still getting the errors with those. I have a new hard drive on its way (unrelated to this, I just need more storage), so at some point in the next week I will be performing a clean install of Windows on a new hard drive and will try ImgBurn 2.5.1.0 with the bare minimum OS and drivers installed to see if that works, even though my last clean install on my current hard drive didn't fix anything.

Yeah, I agree that it's a combination of things - that's why I came on here asking for help, so that people can throw suggestions at me that I haven't tried. Yes, my drive is fairly old - I stated in my first post that I thought it might be dying on me, so I've already tried buying a new one and that was even worse - didn't get ANY successful burns out of it. After being so satisfied with my Pioneer 212 I automatically bought the latest Pioneer without realising it's gotten pretty terrible reviews across the board, but never mind, it's been returned now, so no loss. I'm currently looking to upgrade to a Blu-Ray writer, which I can't quite afford, so I'm reluctant to buy another DVD writer in the meantime, and as my 212 is still burning successfully around 33% of the time I'm assuming it's still working and that the problem lies elsewhere. I read a suggestion that it could be a failing power supply, so I'm looking into that. No, it's not inconceivable - but I've got two different types of disk from two different sources and I'm having the same problem with both types, so it's statistically improbable that I'd get get a pack of single layer disks that are half defective from one place and a pack of dual layer disks that are half defective from another place and, as I've been going through the dual layer disks faster than the single layers, hit upon the defective disks in both packs at exactly the same time. Does that sound like the likliest cause of the problem to you? I had to give up on solving the problem for the last couple of weeks due to being busy, but now I'm back on it and I've bought another pack of disks of a different type (Ritek G05) just to test and am having the same problem with those. Will get some Verbs next, but in the meantime I'm going to try different software, check my power supply and motherboard and see if I can spare some cash from the Blu-Ray writer fund to get another DVD writer that isn't a Pioneer...

Thanks for your reply, but could you please give criticism that's a little more constructive than 'you have crap disks'? Like, first of all, which are crap? The YUDEN000-T02-00 single layer or the RICOHJPN-D01-67 dual layer, or both? I've been using the Aone dual layer disks for 2 and a half years now and have almost never had a problem with them - I've been burning disks all week since I made this thread and haven't had another problem with an Aone disk, so perhaps it was just a fluke that I had a problem with one of those at all. Disks that I burned 2.5 years ago are still going strong and can be imaged back into ISO files with no read errors. However, it's only my latest batch of Datawrite disks that I've had this problem with and the fact that they're 'crap disks' doesn't explain the fact that I got through the first 50 of them before having any problem and then have only been able to burn 1 disk in 5 since (out of the next 150 disks, which I'm now almost out of). So that's why I figured the problem lay elsewhere - because when I started getting errors I hadn't just changed disks, I was in the middle of a spindle. I've also got a batch of CMC MAG. AM3 single layer disks - I've googled that dye and found nothing but negative comments about it, yet I haven't had a single problem burning to any of those disks (it's just that I can't use them for my production work because they're not printable disks). So what's the difference between the YUDEN000-T02-00 crap dye and the CMC MAG. AM3 crap dye that means I can burn to one but not the other? And why are all disks crap except Verbatim disks? I understand how some can be better than others, but those that aren't as good shouldn't just not work or they wouldn't sell, there would be lawsuits, and the companies selling them would go under. I may not have bought the best disks but there must be a better reason for half of them just not working at all.

I've been having a lot of trouble burning disks lately. I'm using ImgBurn 2.5.1.0 in Windows Vista x64 with a Pioneer DVR 212 with the latest firmware (v1.28). Almost every time I try to burn a disk, it will get so far through (usually around 30-50%, but I've seen it occur much earlier and also much later) and then start performing write retries. After 20 retries it gives the error message 'Invalid Address for Write'. This is happening with almost every disk I try to burn. If I keep trying, it will eventually be successful, but I'm currently wasting around 4 out of every 5 disks. It seems to happen less often with dual layer disks than with single layer disks, I'm getting the same error with all types of media I try. My single layer disks are Datawrite Titanium (YUDEN000-T02-00) and my dual layer disks are Aone Plus (RICOHJPN-D01-67). I'm about half way through a spindle of 100 of the single layer disks and didn't have a single problem with any of them until a few weeks ago. Things I've tried - Burning at different speeds. The same error occurs regardless of whether I set it to MAX, AWS, manually set it to the max speed or any other speed down to the lowest (4x for my single layer disks). Burning different things - DVD videos, disks full of small files, Xbox 360 backups, I get the same error regardless of what I'm trying to burn. Checked for viruses. Even went as far as reinstalling Windows. Got the same error with pretty much nothing but Windows, ImgBurn and an ISO on the hard drive and obviously no other programs running. Cleaned my DVD drive - using a lens cleaning disk, didn't help, so then I opened the drive and cleaned the lens directly with some isopropanol. Made no difference. Went out and bought a new DVD drive. I've had the 212 for 2.5 years and have burned a lot of disks with it, so I figured if it wants to die on me I can live with having to replace it. I bought a brand new Pioneer DVR S18L, got exactly the same error with that. In fact, if anything, it was worse, I don't think I managed to successfully burn a single disk on the S18, whereas at least the 212 still occasionally gets one done. The S18 has since been returned. So I'm now posting here as a last resort - I feel I've exhausted all the possible options, checking both hardware and software. I'm now left thinking that either I've just happened to end up with two batches of bad disks from two different sources or I'm missing something. So please fling your suggestions at me. Here's the log from my most recent failed burn. It's a DVD video, files were authored in Adobe Encore, then I used ImgBurn to build an ISO from the files and then tried to burn that ISO. If I try to burn any more disks I'll save the logs and post them here. ImgBurn.log