yes sorry about that its because i copied and pasted that from somewhere else and yes i know thats the cheap ones but i tried the verbatims in all 4 of my dvd drives and ive even bought a new one and its still the same and i did have the latest version but i installed an older one well the one before the most previous to see if that would work and it didnt ive ran out of ideas i even tried setting it to calculate optimal and it just sets it to 1913760 then when it starts writing it writes layer 0 as 1913759 then it writes layer 1 as 1913760 when it gets to like 50 percent im really confused and i dont normally post on forums etc but i am really out of ideas