Getting OTP error when attempting to burn DL ISOs to DL discs...

[Ichinisan]

I only recently decided to start using some of my DVD+R DL discs. I have a variety of different brands that I've purchased whenever there were deals on DL media, but I always tried my best not to use them. My HTPC's 1.5TB dedicated drive for movie backups is full of Blu-Ray rips, so I'm off-loading 1:1 backups of all my DVD images and single-layer BD images. I needed to make some loaner / beater backups anyway.

 

All of my images were made with AnyDVD HD and I tried to make sure it was set to keep all protections so that the images were 1:1 for use with virtual drive software. I did find some cases of BD rips that somehow defaulted to removing protection, so I don't know if it might have happened with some of my DVD images.

 

After finishing with all of my SL BD backups, I started burning "Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Season 1" on some cheap "WINDATA" DVD+R DL discs. The season is 3 discs. The first two went perfectly. The third one shows an error message every time:

 

The error message is so confusing, I have no idea whether attempting to continue would waste a disc or not. Someone on the AnyDVD forum told me that the problem has to do with pressed discs allowing either PTP/OTP, but burned discs would only work with one method and not the other. I mounted the image in VirtualCloneDrive, used AnyDVD HD to rip it to files (stripping copy protection), then used ImgBurn to compose the files into an image and burn. If I recall correctly, ImgBurn only gave me one option for setting the layer-break position. I reviewed all of the content on the resulting disc and it seemed to be fine. I have no idea why only the third disc from the season gave me this problem.

 

I tried to move on to my next backup, Seasons 1 and 2 of "The Venture Bros." I queued up all of the images and set the preferences, but now the very first image in the queue is giving me the same message as the last image I attempted to burn.

 

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ImgBurn

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Optimal L1 Data Zone Start LBA: None Found! (VTS_01)

 

This image has not been mastered correctly for burning onto a double layer (OTP Track Path) disc.

 

None of the cells meet the 'DVD-Video specification' criteria for a potential layer break position.

 

Do you want to continue anyway?

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Yes No

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Can someone tell me conclusively if I was making my images incorrectly? What is the best method to work around this with the least amount of tampering to the disc content?

 

 

Log: (errors are only because I canceled after the vague error, then canceled the queue)

I 00:01:54 ImgBurn Version 2.5.0.0 started!

I 00:01:54 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium x64 Edition (6.1, Build 7600)

I 00:01:54 Total Physical Memory: 3,144,948 KB - Available: 1,805,936 KB

I 00:01:54 Initialising SPTI...

I 00:01:54 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 00:01:54 Found 1 BD-ROM/HD DVD-ROM and 1 HD DVD-ROM/BD-RE!

I 00:02:04 Queue Loaded Successfully!

I 00:02:04 File Name: C:\Users\Evans\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Queue Files\ImgBurn.ibq

I 00:02:19 Operation Started!

I 00:02:19 Source File: G:\BD\The Venture Bros\Season 1 (DVD)\VENTURE_BROS_VOL_1_DISC_1.dvd

I 00:02:19 Source File Sectors: 3,995,934 (MODE1/2048)

I 00:02:19 Source File Size: 8,183,672,832 bytes

I 00:02:19 Source File Volume Identifier: VENTURE_BROS_VOL_1_DISC_1

I 00:02:19 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 347b84fc

I 00:02:19 Source File Implementation Identifier: Sonic Scenarist 3.1

I 00:02:19 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 00:02:19 Destination Device: [0:1:0] HL-DT-ST BD-RE GGW-H20L YL05 (E:) (ATAPI)

I 00:02:19 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RICOHJPN-D01-67) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x)

I 00:02:19 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824

I 00:02:19 Write Mode: DVD

I 00:02:19 Write Type: DAO

I 00:02:19 Write Speed: 2.4x

I 00:02:19 Link Size: Auto

I 00:02:19 Lock Volume: Yes

I 00:02:19 Test Mode: No

I 00:02:19 OPC: No

I 00:02:19 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 00:02:19 Book Type Setting: DVD-ROM

E 00:02:24 Optimal L1 Data Zone Start LBA: None Found! (VTS_01)

E 00:02:24 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:00:05

I 00:02:24 Average Write Rate: N/A - Maximum Write Rate: N/A

 

Media Info:

HL-DT-ST BD-RE GGW-H20L YL05 (ATAPI)

Current Profile: DVD+R DL

 

Disc Information:

Status: Empty

Erasable: No

Free Sectors: 4,173,824

Free Space: 8,547,991,552 bytes

Free Time: 927:32:74 (MM:SS:FF)

Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x, 4x

 

DVD±R DL Boundary Information:

L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,086,912

Changeable: Yes

 

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):

Disc ID: RICOHJPN-D01-67

Book Type: DVD+R DL

Part Version: 1

Disc Size: 120mm

Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified

Number of Layers: 2

Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)

Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit

Track Density: 0.74 um/track

First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608

Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607

Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,283,519

 

Performance (Write Speed):

Descriptor 1...

-> B0: 0x02, B1: 0x00, B2: 0x00, B3: 0x00

-> EL: 4173823 (0x003FAFFF)

-> RS: 4,568 KB/s (3.3x) - WS: 3,324 KB/s (2.4x)

Descriptor 2...

-> B0: 0x02, B1: 0x00, B2: 0x00, B3: 0x00

-> EL: 4173823 (0x003FAFFF)

-> RS: 4,568 KB/s (3.3x) - WS: 5,540 KB/s (4x)

Edited December 27, 2009 by Ichinisan

[LIGHTNING UK!]

You can't really make an image incorrectly, the disc layout is preserved so it can't suddenly be wrong.

 

As you mentioned in your post, this issue is caused by going from a PTP disc to an OTP disc. PTP can have an L0 that's smaller than L1. That's not possible with OTP.

 

The only way around the error you're seeing is to rebuild the ISO from the actual files - i.e. mount the ISO and point ImgBurn's Build mode at the virtual drive.

 

If you ignore the error then ImgBurn won't be able to align stuff nicely as per the specs. It'll just have to split the image straight down the middle, do a little scan of the content at that position and try to make the best of a bad situation. Some players might not like that and get stuck at the layer break.