Retiree Posted January 14, 2010 Posted January 14, 2010 I have just used ImgBurn for the first time today and ran into a problem. I have a "compressed" Blu-Ray movie which plays perfectly (16:9 aspect ratio) when I play it using CyberLink PowerDVD 8 on my computer, but when I burned it onto a Maxell BD-R 25 (ImgBurn reads it as a Ritek-BR2) using ImgBurn the log said that everything was okay, but when I try playing the newly burned Blu-Ray disc on CyberLink PowerDVD 8 the 16:9 ratio is clearly not present anymore with the video being stretched vertically. I checked to make sure that the "maintain aspect ratio" on CyberLink PowerDVD 8 was selected and it was. I burned 2 such BD-Rs, one at MAX speed and the latter one at 2X, but both have the same "improper" aspect ratio. Video and audio qualities are otherwise great. Any thoughts? I 12:32:01 ImgBurn Version 2.5.0.0 started! I 12:32:01 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 3) I 12:32:01 Total Physical Memory: 3,141,756 KB - Available: 2,572,128 KB I 12:32:01 Initialising SPTI... I 12:32:01 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 12:32:01 Found 2 DVD±RW/RAMs, 1 BD-ROM/HD DVD-ROM and 1 BD-RE! I 12:32:47 Operation Started! I 12:32:47 Building Image Tree... I 12:32:47 Calculating Totals... I 12:32:47 Preparing Image... I 12:32:47 Contents: 15 Files, 14 Folders I 12:32:47 Content Type: BD Video I 12:32:47 Data Type: MODE1/2048 I 12:32:47 File System(s): UDF (2.50) I 12:32:47 Volume Label: [Not Configured] I 12:32:47 Size: 20,900,400,310 bytes I 12:32:47 Sectors: 10,205,282 I 12:32:47 Image Size: 20,901,462,016 bytes I 12:32:47 Image Sectors: 10,205,792 I 12:32:47 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:00 I 12:33:10 Operation Started! I 12:33:10 Building Image Tree... I 12:33:10 Calculating Totals... I 12:33:10 Preparing Image... I 12:33:11 Contents: 15 Files, 14 Folders I 12:33:11 Content Type: BD Video I 12:33:11 Data Type: MODE1/2048 I 12:33:11 File System(s): UDF (2.50) I 12:33:11 Volume Label: [Not Configured] I 12:33:11 Size: 20,900,400,310 bytes I 12:33:11 Sectors: 10,205,282 I 12:33:11 Image Size: 20,901,462,016 bytes I 12:33:11 Image Sectors: 10,205,792 I 12:33:11 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:00 I 12:40:58 Operation Started! I 12:40:58 Building Image Tree... I 12:40:58 Calculating Totals... I 12:40:58 Preparing Image... I 12:40:58 Contents: 15 Files, 14 Folders I 12:40:58 Content Type: BD Video I 12:40:58 Data Type: MODE1/2048 I 12:40:58 File System(s): UDF (2.50) I 12:40:58 Volume Label: Ghandi [blu-Ray] I 12:40:58 Size: 20,900,400,310 bytes I 12:40:58 Sectors: 10,205,282 I 12:40:58 Image Size: 20,901,462,016 bytes I 12:40:58 Image Sectors: 10,205,792 I 12:41:21 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:22 I 12:41:21 Operation Started! I 12:41:21 Source File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==- I 12:41:21 Source File Sectors: 10,205,792 (MODE1/2048) I 12:41:21 Source File Size: 20,901,462,016 bytes I 12:41:21 Source File Volume Identifier: Ghandi [blu-Ray] I 12:41:21 Source File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.0.0 I 12:41:21 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn I 12:41:21 Source File File System(s): UDF (2.50) I 12:41:21 Destination Device: [3:0:0] PIONEER BD-RW BDR-203 1.10 (Z:) (ATA) I 12:41:21 Destination Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: RITEK-BR2-00) (Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x) I 12:41:21 Destination Media Sectors: 12,219,392 I 12:41:21 Write Mode: BD I 12:41:21 Write Type: DAO I 12:41:21 Write Speed: 2x I 12:41:21 BD-R Verify Not Required: Yes I 12:41:21 Link Size: Auto I 12:41:21 Lock Volume: Yes I 12:41:21 Test Mode: No I 12:41:21 OPC: No I 12:41:21 BURN-Proof: Enabled I 12:41:21 Advanced Settings - Optimal Writing Speed: No I 12:41:21 Filling Buffer... (40 MB) I 12:41:22 Writing LeadIn... I 12:41:40 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 10205791) I 12:41:40 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 10205791) I 13:20:39 Synchronising Cache... I 13:20:41 Closing Track... I 13:20:42 Finalising Disc... I 13:20:58 Exporting Graph Data... I 13:20:58 Graph Data File: C:\Documents and Settings\The Tabaks\Application Data\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\PIONEER_BD-RW_BDR-203_1.10_THURSDAY-JANUARY-14-2010_12-41_PM_RITEK-BR2-00_2x.ibg I 13:20:58 Export Successfully Completed! I 13:20:58 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:39:37 I 13:20:58 Average Write Rate: 8,730 KB/s (1.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 9,081 KB/s (2.0x) I 13:20:58 Cycling Tray before Verify... I 13:21:24 Device Ready! I 13:21:25 Operation Started! I 13:21:25 Source Device: [3:0:0] PIONEER BD-RW BDR-203 1.10 (Z:) (ATA) I 13:21:25 Source Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: RITEK-BR2-00) (Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x) I 13:21:25 Image File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==- I 13:21:25 Image File Sectors: 10,205,792 (MODE1/2048) I 13:21:25 Image File Size: 20,901,462,016 bytes I 13:21:25 Image File Volume Identifier: Ghandi [blu-Ray] I 13:21:25 Image File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.0.0 I 13:21:25 Image File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn I 13:21:25 Image File File System(s): UDF (2.50) I 13:21:25 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX I 13:21:25 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 10205791) I 13:21:25 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 10205791) I 13:35:52 Exporting Graph Data... I 13:35:52 Graph Data File: C:\Documents and Settings\The Tabaks\Application Data\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\PIONEER_BD-RW_BDR-203_1.10_THURSDAY-JANUARY-14-2010_12-41_PM_RITEK-BR2-00_2x.ibg I 13:35:52 Export Successfully Completed! I 13:35:52 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:14:26 I 13:35:52 Average Verify Rate: 23,569 KB/s (5.2x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 33,555 KB/s (7.5x)
LIGHTNING UK! Posted January 14, 2010 Posted January 14, 2010 The files are burnt as-is so you need to keep messing around with your source files. My advice would be to make an ISO rather than burning to disc, then mount the ISO in Virtual CloneDrive and play/test from the virtual drive.
Retiree Posted January 15, 2010 Author Posted January 15, 2010 The files are burnt as-is so you need to keep messing around with your source files. My advice would be to make an ISO rather than burning to disc, then mount the ISO in Virtual CloneDrive and play/test from the virtual drive. Thank you for the advice. I used ImgBurn to convert the source files (which play perfectly on the Cyberlink PowerDVD 8) to an ISO file. I then mounted this ISO in Virtual Clone and when I tried playing that with Cyberlink PowerDVD 8, I got the same "distorted" video (at least as far as the aspect ratio is concerned). Any other thoughts?
mmalves Posted January 15, 2010 Posted January 15, 2010 The files are burnt as-is so you need to keep messing around with your source files.
Retiree Posted January 15, 2010 Author Posted January 15, 2010 The files are burnt as-is so you need to keep messing around with your source files. Hi mmalves: I'm confused with your "thumbs up". I am not sure if you are telling me to mess around with my source files, because then I'm not sure what that means exactly...how can the source files be at fault if they play perfectly on Cyberlink PowerDVD 8, but the direct burn by ImgBurn or the conversion to an ISO by ImgBurn creates the same aspect ratio "distorted" video. Any suggestions about how to mess around with these source files? Thanks!
LIGHTNING UK! Posted January 15, 2010 Posted January 15, 2010 You're probably playing them differently... I didn't think PowerDVD could even play from a folder these days (the big boys told them to stop allowing it). What we're really getting at is that this is nothing to do with ImgBurn. The files you say play ok on your hdd are 100% identical to the ones on the disc. If you have an issue then it's down to the way PowerDVD is handling/playing them. Sorry but I really can't help you with this, it's not my issue to 'support' and I simply don't know enough about it. Why don't you try in some of the other forums that deal with playing back BD content?
Retiree Posted January 15, 2010 Author Posted January 15, 2010 You're probably playing them differently... I didn't think PowerDVD could even play from a folder these days (the big boys told them to stop allowing it). What we're really getting at is that this is nothing to do with ImgBurn. The files you say play ok on your hdd are 100% identical to the ones on the disc. If you have an issue then it's down to the way PowerDVD is handling/playing them. Sorry but I really can't help you with this, it's not my issue to 'support' and I simply don't know enough about it. Why don't you try in some of the other forums that deal with playing back BD content? Actually CyberLink PowerDVD 8 can play back a single m2ts file by selecting "Open Media Files" in the drop-down menu. By selecting the one largest file (about 20GB)and playing it the movie can be viewed. This is not true for all movies, many of which are made up of numerous m2ts files so playing just one may only let you view a small part of the entire movie. Clearly a BD disc or ISO is the proper way to view the entire movie as you point out in your response. Thanks for your efforts and I will search other forums as you recommend.
LIGHTNING UK! Posted January 15, 2010 Posted January 15, 2010 Ok so it sounds like we agree that playing the raw m2ts file is different to playing the folder as if it were a proper BD Video disc (or in fact, playing a real disc). You also get odd issues if you play a raw VOB file rather than playing the IFO. Now you know what's different between the two playback methods, hopefully it'll help you solve the issue.
Retiree Posted January 15, 2010 Author Posted January 15, 2010 Ok so it sounds like we agree that playing the raw m2ts file is different to playing the folder as if it were a proper BD Video disc (or in fact, playing a real disc). You also get odd issues if you play a raw VOB file rather than playing the IFO. Now you know what's different between the two playback methods, hopefully it'll help you solve the issue. Thanks again for your words of wisdom, but the strange thing is that playing the raw m2ts file gives me a movie with the proper 16:9 aspect ratio, whereas playing the ImgBurn created Blu-Ray or ISO results in a distorted aspect ratio with the vertical component stretched (the width is the same when I play either the m2ts or ImgBurn-created Blu-Ray and ISO discs...i.e., no clipping horizontally). So that seems to be the opposite of what you are stating above.
LIGHTNING UK! Posted January 15, 2010 Posted January 15, 2010 I only said 'odd issues', I never said which was actually correct If you play the raw files (VOB/m2ts) then the player can only go by flags set in those files (or guess). If you play DVD files properly (as they're designed to be played), the players will probably *just* use the information in the IFO files when deciding how to play the VOB files. You could quite easily have flags set differently in the IFO and VOB files which then cause one playback method to work and the other to fail. You must just have an m2ts file telling the player to do one thing and the BD equivalent of the IFO (if such a thing even exists) telling the player something different. I assume your PowerDVD is fully patched and up-to-date? Get the latest patch from cyberlink if you're not sure. If PowerDVD could play the BD content from a folder properly (NOT loading the m2ts file), I'm sure you'd have exactly the same problem with that.
Retiree Posted January 15, 2010 Author Posted January 15, 2010 I only said 'odd issues', I never said which was actually correct If you play the raw files (VOB/m2ts) then the player can only go by flags set in those files (or guess). If you play DVD files properly (as they're designed to be played), the players will probably *just* use the information in the IFO files when deciding how to play the VOB files. You could quite easily have flags set differently in the IFO and VOB files which then cause one playback method to work and the other to fail. You must just have an m2ts file telling the player to do one thing and the BD equivalent of the IFO (if such a thing even exists) telling the player something different. I assume your PowerDVD is fully patched and up-to-date? Get the latest patch from cyberlink if you're not sure. If PowerDVD could play the BD content from a folder properly (NOT loading the m2ts file), I'm sure you'd have exactly the same problem with that. I understand what you are saying, so I will "play around" with the problem and see if I can come up with a solution. Thanks again...oh, by the way I do have the latest up-to-date Cyberlink PowerDVD 8 (I just checked their website).
Retiree Posted January 26, 2010 Author Posted January 26, 2010 I only said 'odd issues', I never said which was actually correct If you play the raw files (VOB/m2ts) then the player can only go by flags set in those files (or guess). If you play DVD files properly (as they're designed to be played), the players will probably *just* use the information in the IFO files when deciding how to play the VOB files. You could quite easily have flags set differently in the IFO and VOB files which then cause one playback method to work and the other to fail. You must just have an m2ts file telling the player to do one thing and the BD equivalent of the IFO (if such a thing even exists) telling the player something different. I assume your PowerDVD is fully patched and up-to-date? Get the latest patch from cyberlink if you're not sure. If PowerDVD could play the BD content from a folder properly (NOT loading the m2ts file), I'm sure you'd have exactly the same problem with that. I understand what you are saying, so I will "play around" with the problem and see if I can come up with a solution. Thanks again...oh, by the way I do have the latest up-to-date Cyberlink PowerDVD 8 (I just checked their website). Well, as I suspected you were absolutely correct. I was using RipBot264 to convert a 45GB Blu-Ray to a 23GB MKV file which I then reconverted to a Blu-Ray using tsMuxerGUI. The end result was a 1920:1080 movie which played fine on PowerDVD 8, but after using ImgBurn the end result was a movie with an improper aspect ratio. I reviewed the procedure and found that the resultant MKV was in fact 1920:816, yet when I converted it back to Blu-Ray with tsMuxerGUI it said 1920:1080 again. So I changed the PROPERTIES (Boxes)in RipBot264 to RESIZE to 1920:1080 instead of selecting DO NOT RESIZE (even though the input was a true 1920:1080 and selecting DO NOT RESIZE should have kept it as such and not changed it to 1920:816). I also selected DO NOT CROP (in the CROP box)instead of AUTOMATICALLY (which is what was recommended) and I now have a perfect 23GB version of the movie with proper 16:9 aspect ratio which I was able to properly burn with ImgBurn onto a BD-R. Thanks for steering me in the right direction.
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