DVD+R DL and AVCHD

[dowty]

I am burning AVCHD videos on DVD+R DL disks. Magix Video Editor will burn these so they can be read with a Samsung BD-P1600 Blu-ray player.

ImgBurn will burn the BDMV folder created by Magix (or any other app) and it can be read on my Windows 7 computer, but it is not read by the Blu-ray player. ImgBurn will burn DVD+R DL data disks also. Also, DVD single-layer AVCHD disks burned by ImgBurn work fine in this player.

No, it is not the media - this happens even with Verbatim. There is something about the DL disks which the player wants - Magix knows what it is, but ImgBurn apparently does not.

Anyone have a clue? Or is there a (free) app that will give complete details about the burned disks that might show a difference?

I have not tried any other Blu-ray players. Some other player might read the disks, but then some other player I get in the future might not.

[mmalves]

Post the log of one those burns that doesn't work (you can find previous logs in ImgBurn's Help menu).

[LIGHTNING UK!]

You can compare the files on each disc using something like Beyond Compare.

 

You can compare the structure / file systems etc using IsoBuster (or even ImgBurn itself - just look at the discs in Read mode and see what it says in the 'Source' box).

 

If SL works ok though (and you can't see any obvious difference - apart from the size of the file), it's very unlikely to be anything to do with the files or the structure of the disc. Maybe it's something as simple as the booktype, which ImgBurn would try and make 'DVD-ROM'.

 

Oh and the manual says it can't play DVD+R or DVD+RW discs. It doesn't specifically mention DVD+R DL.

[dowty]

You can compare the files on each disc using something like Beyond Compare.

 

You can compare the structure / file systems etc using IsoBuster (or even ImgBurn itself - just look at the discs in Read mode and see what it says in the 'Source' box).

 

If SL works ok though (and you can't see any obvious difference - apart from the size of the file), it's very unlikely to be anything to do with the files or the structure of the disc. Maybe it's something as simple as the booktype, which ImgBurn would try and make 'DVD-ROM'.

 

Oh and the manual says it can't play DVD+R or DVD+RW discs. It doesn't specifically mention DVD+R DL.

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Thanks, the book type was the problem. ImgBurn can read this on both the good and bad disks and if I had compared them more carefully I would have seen the difference. I changed from "CD-ROM" to "Normal" in Tools/Drive/Change Book Type.

 

AVCHD DVD can only be read on Blu-ray units which will probably recognize DVD+R DL, so probably setting book type to CD-ROM is not necessary - if this is something that can be set at run-time for AVCHD output. On the other hand Blu-ray media will hopefully get much cheaper and this type of disk will be basically obsolete soon.

[dowty]

 

Maybe it's something as simple as the booktype, which ImgBurn would try and make 'DVD-ROM'.

 

 

I was apparently mistaken in thinking I was able to reset the booktype reproducibly. I chose Samsung and set the booktype for DVD+R DL to "Normal" - the only other choice is DVD-ROM. One burn was successful, and both "Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):" and "Physical Format Information (ADIP):" for the burned disk say DVD+R DL. The disk was read by the Blu-ray player. But for burns after that, "Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):" on burned disks says DVD-ROM and the player will not read them. Of course I don't know what these different format information statements mean, nor what the statements about booktype during burning mean. Here is the log of the last (unsuccessful) burn:

 

I 10:04:46 ImgBurn Version 2.5.0.0 started!

I 10:04:46 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium x64 Edition (6.1, Build 7600)

I 10:04:46 Total Physical Memory: 6,290,616 KB - Available: 4,685,216 KB

W 10:04:46 Drive I:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.

I 10:04:46 Initialising SPTI...

I 10:04:46 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 10:04:46 Found 1 DVD±RW/RAM!

I 10:05:09 Operation Started!

I 10:05:09 Building Image Tree...

I 10:05:09 Calculating Totals...

I 10:05:09 Preparing Image...

I 10:05:10 Contents: 19 Files, 7 Folders

I 10:05:10 Content Type: BD Video

I 10:05:10 Data Type: MODE1/2048

I 10:05:10 File System(s): UDF (2.50)

I 10:05:10 Volume Label: [Not Configured]

I 10:05:10 Size: 8,513,628,460 bytes

I 10:05:10 Sectors: 4,157,056

I 10:05:10 Image Size: 8,514,535,424 bytes

I 10:05:10 Image Sectors: 4,157,488

I 10:05:10 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:00

I 10:09:27 Operation Started!

I 10:09:27 Building Image Tree...

I 10:09:27 Calculating Totals...

I 10:09:27 Preparing Image...

I 10:09:27 Contents: 19 Files, 7 Folders

I 10:09:27 Content Type: BD Video

I 10:09:27 Data Type: MODE1/2048

I 10:09:27 File System(s): UDF (2.60)

I 10:09:27 Volume Label: NatParks_P3

I 10:09:27 Size: 8,513,628,460 bytes

I 10:09:27 Sectors: 4,157,056

I 10:09:27 Image Size: 8,514,535,424 bytes

I 10:09:27 Image Sectors: 4,157,488

I 10:09:32 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:05

I 10:09:32 Operation Started!

I 10:09:32 Source File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-

I 10:09:32 Source File Sectors: 4,157,488 (MODE1/2048)

I 10:09:32 Source File Size: 8,514,535,424 bytes

I 10:09:32 Source File Volume Identifier: NatParks_P3

I 10:09:32 Source File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.0.0

I 10:09:32 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn

I 10:09:32 Source File File System(s): UDF (2.60)

I 10:09:32 Destination Device: [1:0:0] TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S223C SB01 (D:) (ATA)

I 10:09:32 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: CMC MAG-D03-64) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x)

I 10:09:32 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824

I 10:09:32 Write Mode: DVD

I 10:09:32 Write Type: DAO

I 10:09:32 Write Speed: 4x

I 10:09:32 Link Size: Auto

I 10:09:32 Lock Volume: Yes

I 10:09:32 Test Mode: No

I 10:09:32 OPC: No

I 10:09:32 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 10:09:32 Book Type Setting: DVD-ROM

I 10:09:32 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,078,752

I 10:09:32 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: ECC Block Boundary

I 10:10:40 Set L0 Data Zone Capacity Succeeded!

I 10:10:40 Filling Buffer... (40 MB)

I 10:10:41 Writing LeadIn...

I 10:10:42 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 4157487)

I 10:10:42 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 4157487)

I 10:10:42 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2078751)

I 10:23:40 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 2078752 - 4157487)

I 10:37:09 Synchronising Cache...

I 10:37:11 Closing Track...

I 10:37:12 Finalising Disc...

I 10:37:45 Exporting Graph Data...

I 10:37:46 Graph Data File: C:\Users\dowty\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_CDDVDW_SH-S223C_SB01_THURSDAY-APRIL-15-2010_10-09_AM_CMC_MAG-D03-64_4x.ibg

I 10:37:46 Export Successfully Completed!

I 10:37:46 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:28:13

I 10:37:46 Average Write Rate: 5,239 KB/s (3.8x) - Maximum Write Rate: 5,621 KB/s (4.1x)

I 10:38:27 Close Request Acknowledged

I 10:38:27 Closing Down...

I 10:38:27 Shutting down SPTI...

I 10:38:27 ImgBurn closed!

[mmalves]

I 10:04:46 ImgBurn Version 2.5.0.0 started!

I 10:09:32 Destination Device: [1:0:0] TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S223C SB01 (D:) (ATA)

I 10:09:32 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: CMC MAG-D03-64) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x)

I 10:09:32 Write Speed: 4x

Update ImgBurn.

 

Update your burner's firmware. Enable the Verify option before burning, or you'll never know if it was a good burn or not.

 

You might also want to try burning at 6x or 8x to see if you get a better burn quality.

[dowty]

Update your burner's firmware. Enable the Verify option before burning, or you'll never know if it was a good burn or not.

 

You might also want to try burning at 6x or 8x to see if you get a better burn quality.

 

Thanks for the update url; I will check for the latest. But the burn is valid; files are there, I can view them with Windows Media Player. The Blu-ray player just does not recognize the DL disks. On the other hand, Magix Video Editor will do a good DL burn every time, which is recognized by the player. At the moment my best guess is that the Burner will accept only (double-layer) disks with booktype DVD+R DL, and not DVD-ROM (though it will accept single layer disks as DVD-ROM).

 

How can I ensure that ImgBurn will always set the booktype to DVD+R DL? The Tools/Drive/Change booktype option does not seem to do this always, although it seems to have done it once.

[mmalves]

Most burners automatically booktype DVD+R DL media to DVD-ROM by themselves (it's in their firmware code), so you have to:

• uncheck Auto 'Change Book Type' in Tools -> Settings -> Write tab (page 1)
  
• always before burning, use the Change Book Type feature to set it to Normal.
  

From all we've seen having the booktype as DVD-ROM always helped with compatibility, and I remember only once occasion (unrelated to your case) where the booktype had to remain DVD+R DL.

 

On another note, with ImgBurn in Write mode, please insert one of those discs burned with Magix and copy and paste here all the media information text shown in ImgBurn's main window.

[dowty]

Most burners automatically booktype DVD+R DL media to DVD-ROM by themselves (it's in their firmware code), so you have to:

• uncheck Auto 'Change Book Type' in Tools -> Settings -> Write tab (page 1)
  
• always before burning, use the Change Book Type feature to set it to Normal.
  

From all we've seen having the booktype as DVD-ROM always helped with compatibility, and I remember only once occasion (unrelated to your case) where the booktype had to remain DVD+R DL.

 

On another note, with ImgBurn in Write mode, please insert one of those discs burned with Magix and copy and paste here all the media information text shown in ImgBurn's main window.

 

Thanks mmalves, uncheck Auto 'Change Book Type' did the trick.

 

I would suggest at this point that anyone who wants to write HD video bigger than a single-layer DVD might want to just get a Blu-ray burner (though I don't know what problems there might be with that).

 

Also the success rate with the cheapest generic DVD+R DL from Americal has been good.