Manual or Auto Layerback?

[Luponius]

Hello, I'm having problems figuring out how to get this backup working.

 

Checking around it seems for x360 backups, I need to go to Tools -> Settings -> Write [Tab] and toggle manual layerback and input the numbers "1913760".

 

What makes me wonder is that opening the .dvd file I see that that same information is in there too, so wouldn't this be redundant/do any possible harm? Any thoughts on this.

 

Secondly, I am not using Verbatim Dual Layers, I understand this is not ideal, and I should be prepared for many bitchslaps and coasters, but since it's a race against trial and error, I'd rather use cheapo disks for the first backup, and if I got a good grasp on it I'll switch to Verbs. Right now I'm with a Smartbuy DVD+R DL (1-8X) 8.5GB/240min. My brother's friend managed backups on these before, and I'd like to give it a shot myself so I am positive I got stuff down right.

 

I also get a "Failed to set L0 data zone capacity" warning whenever I tried to start burning. So far I burnt at 1x, 2x and 2.4x speeds (Destination Media mentioned 2.4x speed so I guess 2.4 was meant to nail it).

 

Sadly, even though I burnt 3 DVDs (3 coasters) I did those yesterday, and since then I lost the log) Startup log provides me with this:

 

I 11:05:23 ImgBurn Version 2.5.2.0 started!

I 11:05:23 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)

I 11:05:23 Total Physical Memory: 2,095,148 KB - Available: 1,093,616 KB

W 11:05:23 Duplex Secure's SPTD driver can have a detrimental effect on drive performance.

I 11:05:23 Initialising SPTI...

I 11:05:23 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 11:05:23 -> Drive 1 - Info: TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-L632D TO04 (E:) (ATA)

I 11:05:23 -> Drive 2 - Info: JMT 9AFWLIJ4DMR 1.03 (F:) (SCSI)

I 11:05:23 -> Drive 3 - Info: JMT 9AFWLIJ4DMR 1.03 (I:) (SCSI)

I 11:05:23 -> Drive 4 - Info: JMT 9AFWLIJ4DMR 1.03 (J:) (SCSI)

I 11:05:23 Found 1 DVD±RW/RAM and 3 BD-ROM/HD DVD-ROMs!

 

Do you think it'd be beneficial for me to uninstall the SPTD, or try it on the other laptop? Also, yes - I only have laptop slimline DVD Burners available. Is it impossible to burn with these or does it mean a higher % of coasters lol?

 

Thanks for your support, and if you know if I can recover the logs from some log file somewhere I can get you logs as well.

 

EDIT1: http://forums.computers.toshiba-europe.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=177055 also found that in regards to my drive. Seems to be something about DMA and how he can't burn anything because of that. Just wondering since I did burn DVDs before but that was a long time ago, never tried DLs until now.

Edited September 16, 2010 by Luponius

[LIGHTNING UK!]

There's a guide on logs here - http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=14632

 

You don't need to touch the layer break option in the settings, that's what the DVD file is for.

 

You should have got Verbatim discs - http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=8000

 

No, DMA is not the issue here.

 

Install XP SP3 unless you have a valid reason not to.

 

You could always get an external normal size burner.

[Luponius]

3 burns worth of a log file. I really ain't sure where it cuts and starts again to be honest. I'll remove the layerback settings from imgburn. Anything else i should do, aside from vertabim and SP3, since I had a multitude of BSODs with SP3

 

Do you think the "Set L0 Data Zone Capacity Failed! - Reason: Invalid Field in Parameter List" could be coming from that value i manually set in the layerback?

 

Log as follows: (No clue how to put it in a smaller box, sorry)

 

; //****************************************\\
;   ImgBurn Version 2.5.2.0 - Log
;   Thursday, 16 September 2010, 01:23:52
; \\****************************************//
;
;
I 21:21:19 Operation Started!
I 21:21:19 Source File: D:\Downloads\DAO.dvd
I 21:21:19 Source File Sectors: 3,827,488 (MODE1/2048)
I 21:21:19 Source File Size: 7,838,695,424 bytes
I 21:21:19 Source File Volume Identifier: DVD_ROM
I 21:21:19 Source File Volume Set Identifier: fd244000MS UDFBridge
I 21:21:19 Source File Application Identifier: CDIMAGE 2.45 (12/06/2000 TM)
I 21:21:19 Source File Implementation Identifier: Microsoft CDIMAGE UDF
I 21:21:19 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.50)
I 21:21:19 Destination Device: [1:0:0] TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-L632D TO04 (E:) (ATA)
I 21:21:19 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RITEK-S04-66) (Speeds: 2.4x)
I 21:21:19 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824
I 21:21:19 Write Mode: DVD
I 21:21:19 Write Type: DAO
I 21:21:19 Write Speed: 2x
I 21:21:19 Link Size: Auto
I 21:21:19 Lock Volume: Yes
I 21:21:19 Test Mode: No
I 21:21:19 OPC: No
I 21:21:19 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 21:21:22 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 2,770 KB/s (2x)
I 21:21:22 Book Type Setting: DVD-ROM
I 21:21:22 User Specified L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1,913,760
E 21:22:25 Set L0 Data Zone Capacity Failed! - Reason: Invalid Field in Parameter List
E 21:22:25 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:01:06
I 21:22:25 Average Write Rate: N/A - Maximum Write Rate: N/A
I 21:26:42 Operation Started!
I 21:26:42 Source File: D:\Downloads\DAO.dvd
I 21:26:42 Source File Sectors: 3,827,488 (MODE1/2048)
I 21:26:42 Source File Size: 7,838,695,424 bytes
I 21:26:42 Source File Volume Identifier: DVD_ROM
I 21:26:42 Source File Volume Set Identifier: fd244000MS UDFBridge
I 21:26:42 Source File Application Identifier: CDIMAGE 2.45 (12/06/2000 TM)
I 21:26:42 Source File Implementation Identifier: Microsoft CDIMAGE UDF
I 21:26:42 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.50)
I 21:26:42 Destination Device: [1:0:0] TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-L632D TO04 (E:) (ATA)
I 21:26:42 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RITEK-S04-66) (Speeds: 2.4x)
I 21:26:42 Destination Media Sectors: 3,827,520
I 21:26:42 Write Mode: DVD
I 21:26:42 Write Type: DAO
I 21:26:42 Write Speed: 2x
I 21:26:42 Link Size: Auto
I 21:26:42 Lock Volume: Yes
I 21:26:42 Test Mode: No
I 21:26:42 OPC: No
I 21:26:42 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 21:26:45 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 2,770 KB/s (2x)
I 21:26:46 Book Type Setting: DVD-ROM
I 21:26:46 User Specified L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1,913,760
I 21:29:52 Set L0 Data Zone Capacity Succeeded!
I 21:29:52 Filling Buffer... (40 MB)
I 21:29:55 Writing LeadIn...
I 21:29:58 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 3827487)
I 21:29:58 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 3827487)
I 21:29:58 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 1913759)
I 21:49:13 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 1913760 - 3827487)
I 22:08:30 Synchronising Cache...
I 22:08:37 Closing Track...
I 22:08:41 Finalising Disc...
I 22:09:38 Exporting Graph Data...
I 22:09:38 Graph Data File: C:\Documents and Settings\Wolf\Application Data\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_CD-DVDW_TS-L632D_TO04_WEDNESDAY-SEPTEMBER-15-2010_9-26_PM_RITEK-S04-66_2x.ibg
I 22:09:38 Export Successfully Completed!
I 22:09:38 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:42:55
I 22:09:38 Average Write Rate: 3,312 KB/s (2.4x) - Maximum Write Rate: 3,432 KB/s (2.5x)
I 22:13:33 Operation Started!
I 22:13:33 Source File: D:\Downloads\DAO.dvd
I 22:13:33 Source File Sectors: 3,827,488 (MODE1/2048)
I 22:13:33 Source File Size: 7,838,695,424 bytes
I 22:13:33 Source File Volume Identifier: DVD_ROM
I 22:13:33 Source File Volume Set Identifier: fd244000MS UDFBridge
I 22:13:33 Source File Application Identifier: CDIMAGE 2.45 (12/06/2000 TM)
I 22:13:33 Source File Implementation Identifier: Microsoft CDIMAGE UDF
I 22:13:33 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.50)
I 22:13:33 Destination Device: [1:0:0] TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-L632D TO04 (E:) (ATA)
I 22:13:33 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RITEK-S04-66) (Speeds: 2.4x)
I 22:13:33 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824
I 22:13:33 Write Mode: DVD
I 22:13:33 Write Type: DAO
I 22:13:33 Write Speed: 2.4x
I 22:13:33 Link Size: Auto
I 22:13:33 Lock Volume: Yes
I 22:13:33 Test Mode: No
I 22:13:33 OPC: No
I 22:13:33 BURN-Proof: Enabled
W 22:13:36 Write Speed Miscompare! - Wanted: 3,324 KB/s (2.4x), Got: 2,770 KB/s (2x)
I 22:13:36 Book Type Setting: DVD-ROM
I 22:13:36 User Specified L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1,913,760
W 22:14:57 Set L0 Data Zone Capacity Failed! - Reason: Invalid Field in Parameter List
I 22:14:57 Filling Buffer... (40 MB)
I 22:14:59 Writing LeadIn...
I 22:15:05 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 3827487)
I 22:15:05 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 3827487)
I 22:15:05 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 1913759)
I 22:34:20 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 1913760 - 3827487)
I 22:53:37 Synchronising Cache...
I 22:53:44 Closing Track...
I 22:53:48 Finalising Disc...
I 22:54:43 Exporting Graph Data...
I 22:54:43 Graph Data File: C:\Documents and Settings\Wolf\Application Data\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_CD-DVDW_TS-L632D_TO04_WEDNESDAY-SEPTEMBER-15-2010_10-13_PM_RITEK-S04-66_2.4x.ibg
I 22:54:43 Export Successfully Completed!
I 22:54:43 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:41:10
I 22:54:43 Average Write Rate: 3,312 KB/s (2.4x) - Maximum Write Rate: 3,439 KB/s (2.5x)
I 01:23:52 Close Request Acknowledged
I 01:23:52 Closing Down...
I 01:23:52 Shutting down SPTI...
I 01:23:52 ImgBurn closed!

[LIGHTNING UK!]

I doubt SP3 itself is causing your BSOD's, bad drivers do that.

 

The BSOD normally tells you which driver the exception occurred in. From there you just Google its name, find out which product is responsible for it and update/remove it.

 

Nope, you changing the LB setting isn't the cause of the error.

 

Your drive is just erroring out as I try to set the LB position... but it appears to have actually done what I've asked... weird!

 

You can either just put up with it or you can buy 10 Verbs for £10 and try those.

 

If they work, great. If they don't then you'll know that you need a new drive.

[Luponius]

Thanks for the reply, what I will try to do is burn them on my brother's laptop, it's a slimline drive but he has Win7 and keeps everything fully updated. If that doesn't work I'll consider Verbs for burning or rely on my mate once he's back from vacation =]

[Luponius]

I've tested on my bro's laptop and things changed a bit. For a start the initial Set L0 error didn't show up, which is a breath of fresh air compared to yesterday, instead it detected the disk's speeds as 3x,4x and 6x. As you can see I was burning at 2.4x (going by my previous detections of the disks on my laptop) My bro's detected stuff differently, and personally I'd rather rely on that, since his is about as new as it can be.

 

Should I:

- Burn at 3x/4x/6x (if yes, which specifically) =+= 2.4x ended me up with a coaster as I expected after the warnings I got.

- Change some settings/go over possible driver updates

- Something else?

 

Following is a single disc burn + verify.

 

I 21:57:19 ImgBurn Version 2.5.1.0 started!
I 21:57:19 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium x64 Edition (6.1, Build 7600)
I 21:57:19 Total Physical Memory: 1,830,964 KB  -  Available: 903,668 KB
W 21:57:19 Duplex Secure's SPTD driver can have a detrimental effect on drive performance.
I 21:57:19 Initialising SPTI...
I 21:57:19 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 21:57:19 -> Drive 1 - Info: TSSTcorp CDDVDW TS-L633C AC01 (D:) (SATA)
I 21:57:19 -> Drive 2 - Info: NMDCZM TINWDU3O 1.03 (E:) (SCSI)
I 21:57:19 Found 1 DVD±RW/RAM and 1 BD-ROM/HD DVD-ROM!
I 22:00:05 Operation Started!
I 22:00:05 Source File: C:\Users\David\Desktop\MK\IMAGE1.dvd
I 22:00:05 Source File Sectors: 3,825,924 (MODE1/2048)
I 22:00:05 Source File Size: 7,835,492,352 bytes
I 22:00:06 Source File Volume Identifier: XGD2DVD_NTSC
I 22:00:06 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 34672923
I 22:00:06 Source File Implementation Identifier: Sonic Scenarist 3.1
I 22:00:06 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
I 22:00:06 Destination Device: [3:0:0] TSSTcorp CDDVDW TS-L633C AC01 (D:) (SATA)
I 22:00:06 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RITEK-S04-66) (Speeds: 3x, 4x, 6x)
I 22:00:06 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824
I 22:00:06 Write Mode: DVD
I 22:00:06 Write Type: DAO
I 22:00:06 Write Speed: 2.4x
I 22:00:06 Link Size: Auto
I 22:00:06 Lock Volume: Yes
I 22:00:06 Test Mode: No
I 22:00:06 OPC: No
I 22:00:06 BURN-Proof: Enabled
W 22:00:06 Write Speed Miscompare! - Wanted: 3,324 KB/s (2.4x), Got: 4,155 KB/s (3x)
I 22:00:06 Book Type Setting: N/A
I 22:00:06 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1,913,760
I 22:00:06 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: Copied From Original Disc
I 22:00:43 Set L0 Data Zone Capacity Succeeded!
I 22:00:45 Filling Buffer... (40 MB)
I 22:00:46 Writing LeadIn...
I 22:00:48 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 3825923)
I 22:00:48 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 3825923)
I 22:00:48 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 1913759)
I 22:16:49 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 1913760 - 3825923)
I 22:33:09 Synchronising Cache...
I 22:33:14 Closing Track...
I 22:33:15 Finalising Disc...
W 22:35:59 Potential 'WaitImmediateIO' Deferred Error - (99%, 0/3) - Session Fixation Error Writing Lead Out
W 22:35:59 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Session Fixation Error Writing Lead Out
W 22:36:00 Retrying (1 of 3)...
W 22:38:11 Potential 'WaitImmediateIO' Deferred Error - (99%, 0/3) - Session Fixation Error Writing Lead Out
W 22:38:11 Retry Failed - Reason: Session Fixation Error Writing Lead Out
W 22:38:11 Retrying (2 of 3)...
W 22:40:01 Potential 'WaitImmediateIO' Deferred Error - (99%, 0/3) - Session Fixation Error Writing Lead Out
W 22:40:01 Retry Failed - Reason: Session Fixation Error Writing Lead Out
W 22:40:01 Retrying (3 of 3)...
W 22:42:06 Potential 'WaitImmediateIO' Deferred Error - (99%, 0/3) - Session Fixation Error Writing Lead Out
W 22:42:06 Retry Failed - Reason: Session Fixation Error Writing Lead Out
I 22:42:34 Exporting Graph Data...
I 22:42:35 Graph Data File: C:\Users\David\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_CDDVDW_TS-L633C_AC01_IL-HAMIS-16-TA-SETTEMBRU-2010_22-00_RITEK-S04-66_2.4x.ibg
I 22:42:35 Export Successfully Completed!
I 22:42:35 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:42:29
I 22:42:35 Average Write Rate: 3,942 KB/s (2.8x) - Maximum Write Rate: 4,612 KB/s (3.3x)
I 22:42:35 Cycling Tray before Verify...
W 22:42:49 Waiting for device to become ready...
I 22:43:18 Device Ready!
I 22:43:29 Operation Started!
I 22:43:29 Source Device: [3:0:0] TSSTcorp CDDVDW TS-L633C AC01 (D:) (SATA)
I 22:43:29 Source Media Type: DVD+R DL (Book Type: DVD-ROM) (Disc ID: RITEK-S04-66) (Speeds: 3x, 4x, 6x)
I 22:43:29 Image File: C:\Users\David\Desktop\MK\IMAGE1.dvd
I 22:43:29 Image File Sectors: 3,825,924 (MODE1/2048)
I 22:43:29 Image File Size: 7,835,492,352 bytes
I 22:43:29 Image File Volume Identifier: XGD2DVD_NTSC
I 22:43:29 Image File Volume Set Identifier: 34672923
I 22:43:29 Image File Implementation Identifier: Sonic Scenarist 3.1
I 22:43:29 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
I 22:43:29 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX
I 22:43:29 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 3825923)
I 22:43:29 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 3825923)
I 22:43:29 Verifying Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 1913759)
I 22:54:21 Verifying Layer 1... (LBA: 1913760 - 3825923)
I 23:05:11 Exporting Graph Data...
I 23:05:11 Graph Data File: C:\Users\David\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_CDDVDW_TS-L633C_AC01_IL-HAMIS-16-TA-SETTEMBRU-2010_22-00_RITEK-S04-66_2.4x.ibg
I 23:05:11 Export Successfully Completed!
I 23:05:11 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:21:41
I 23:05:11 Average Verify Rate: 5,881 KB/s (4.2x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 9,374 KB/s (6.8x)

[mmalves]

You should have got Verbatim discs - http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=8000

 

You can either just put up with it or you can buy 10 Verbs for £10 and try those.

 

You should update ImgBurn too.

[Luponius]

Already talked about verbs, so no need to repeat, I'll go for the update, but what speed would be recommended in this case? It's detected as 3x 4x 6x, is slowest "best" or should I try going higher? Or could it be that speed has nothing to do with this but something else is the problem?

[LIGHTNING UK!]

By selecting 2.4x, you've already tried 3x.

 

You can't make a drive use a speed it doesn't support, it'll just semi ignore the request and go with the closest one it DOES support.

 

That's the whole purpose of this line:

 

W 22:00:06 Write Speed Miscompare! - Wanted: 3,324 KB/s (2.4x), Got: 4,155 KB/s (3x)

 

It means you asked for 2.4x but the drive will actually burn using 3x.

 

So now you're left with 4x and 6x.

 

All drives/firmware will support different speeds on different media. The speeds his one reports aren't better or more reliable than yours, it just doesn't work like that.

[Luponius]

By selecting 2.4x, you've already tried 3x.

 

You can't make a drive use a speed it doesn't support, it'll just semi ignore the request and go with the closest one it DOES support.

 

That's the whole purpose of this line:

 

W 22:00:06 Write Speed Miscompare! - Wanted: 3,324 KB/s (2.4x), Got: 4,155 KB/s (3x)

 

It means you asked for 2.4x but the drive will actually burn using 3x.

 

So now you're left with 4x and 6x.

 

All drives/firmware will support different speeds on different media. The speeds his one reports aren't better or more reliable than yours, it just doesn't work like that.

 

Thanks for the reply, so it could eventually boil down to just multiple retries until I won't get an error using same settings, and switch to Verbatim discs if I'd rather nail it on the first try.

[LIGHTNING UK!]

Yes.

 

Slimline drives are rubbish.

 

Double layer discs (other than Verbatim) just aren't all that compatible with *any* drive and often fail to burn or verify.

 

So you're 0 for 2 and that's just not a good combo for getting a decent burn.